An idea on dwell and dev bonuses

If you've got a camping chair, you no longer get dwell but you do get the traffic numbers for the free advertisement.

I think it is a fair way to encurage people to make stuff that actually keeps people awake rather than stuff where people just sit around doing nothing for hours. The dwell and dev bonuses need to be raised and come back stronger.

Until then people please, keep HOME where the heart is... if you spend all your time at furnation, rent at furnation! if you spend all your time in dealliez, live there! (I think they just opened up a set of homes in the mountain)

Unless they don't have enough prims for you, or rules you don't like, or too much lag, try living on the sims that provide rental property as well as attractions... I'm sick of seeing "residential" sims which are completely for-profit and null enjoyment.

Of course that is not directed at renters and land barrons of the mainland, but people buying sims for the sole purpose of cramming row after row of renters together, I beleave the growing vally system is a good example of this, the areas are bleak and cold, they have not had much, if any, alterations after being bought up, nothing to make the place happy or fun, just rent farms.

So if you can stand the lag and you see a rental spot at a sim you would hate to see die, just consider it, that spot? (and keep pushing for better dwell and the return of dev bonuses)

Current dwell si fine. People who really care will create content (be in product or service) regardless of DI. LL doesn't need to babysit you.

I don't think its babysitting.

Sims off the mainland cost BIG money, normally the thought is that you can recoup your loss and turn a profit... the few sims that manage to do this normally have to have their own line of avatars, wingdangdoodles, rental property and vendor space... not every sim has a reason to, or can get, an artist to turn over such a large "donation" to the cause.

If dwell wont be played with, and the dev bonus wont come back, AND the recruit a buddy is defunct (meaning places like furnation brought many, many people into the game and used to get money from it, now no one can do that) some places that had business models around them got screwed pretty hard.

Perhaps its time LL makes a policy about allowing sim owners to advertise outside products ala mythic, sim owners who can manage to keep a place popular, and have several plainly visible signs, should get their tier costs reduced, as the servers are being "paid" for.

Mythic bases its pay out on the number of unique people that pass by, my thought is this ad money could be used to suppliment dwell, and as many new people as furnation brings by, a viable business move.

Since they are likely already losing money on the chairs directly, they are already doing it for the traffic numbers and the subsequent advertisting it generates. I don't think this would change anything. Further I think the camping chair folks would simply change to some other "money ball" type solution to get around the "camping chairs mean no dwell" rule.

What they should do is radically change how dwell works to make camping for traffic and dwell much less attractive.

If you can't afford to keep a sim afloat by yourself, you have no business whining when you have to fold.

You knew the chances. You took them. Don't complain when you lose.

Outside services bringing people in should not reduce tier in any fashion. if they want to use it to make their tier float, they can get a contract with the outside company to make a profit they can put towars tier.

LL shouldn't give you a bonus because you are doing business with soemone else, that -is- babysitting.

The way it used to be is LL would pay you for bringing more people (read: life) into the game... they stopped that.

As it is now I don't think people are allowed to have sponsership deals for things outside the game that are not related directly to secondlife. What I am saying is it would be good for the community if LL lifted that policy so that the sim owners can seak other means of paying for their land outside of getting a whole LOT of charity work done such as items and avatar related products being given to the sim owner to sell.

What game? Tringo?

Secondlife.

Getting someone to sign up for a premium account was worth 1000 lindons, if they got a three month plan or more, 2000 lindons, if I remember correctly.

He's trying to say "Second Life isn't a game" is a clever way... Although, seriously, what IS it, then?

There's a much simpler way to stop some of the problems. Simply remove the "Popular places" tab.

Then there's nothing for people to be fighting over to be "group with a whole island that can afford to pay people the most to sit there like zombies for hours on end artificially increasing our traffic" rating.

Anyone with half an ounce of intelligence can easily see that "popularity" does not automatically equal "the best experience in-world" - therefore it serves no purpose whatsoever and is clearly seen to be ultimately damaging to the game.

Lewis

You can get rid of Popular Places, ok, but what about Find Places? That's also sorted by popularity, and if you sort it some other way, it becomes like the Classifieds used to be..

One thing LL could do is to limit the maximum amount that can be spent on a Classified ad. Running a L$4/10 min camping chair costs L$4032/week, but since someone has to be sitting there for all that time in order for that money to be paid out, at least some of it will be paid back again in dwell. Right now the Classifieds display costs over L$30000 a week for top slot and over L$10000 to be on the opening page at all - and that doesn't help you on Find Places. So camping chairs are already better value than classifieds.

Wait, this is all a game? OMG! *runs off yelling and waving hands in the air*

MM

So someone running 10 camping chairs is paying out around L$40,000 (around $135) a week. $540 a month plus your land fees.

Just to buy fake popularity in a fake world.

Pathetic really isn't it?

Lewis

Most people don't run 10 camping chairs. Most camping sites seem to have between 6 and 8.

And the person with the top classified right now is paying L$27500 a week..

No problem, quick maths then... 6 x L$4000 a week x 4 weeks = L$96,000 = almost $325 a month.

Top classified L$27500 = $93, for one week.

whichever way you look at it... that's a heck of a lot of money to spend just to be popular.

Lewis

People were gaming that, getting the bonus from bringing an alt in.

What they should do is only give the bonus for the first account (either immediately, or when it upgrades to premium), but not for secondary accounts.

If they only paid out dwell and calculated popularity on accounts that are paying for Second Life, then places that are actualy popular would still be getting dwell and showing up in popular places... because they would be likely to get a similar number of basic and premium accounts... but places that are paying a token for sitting on a chair would drop their score dramatically.

I support this idea quite a bit.

It's not free advertisement. In fact, it's not even affordable advertisement. Camping chairs cost a lot of money to operate.

It was fair yes; but dwell and dev bonuses only encouraged people to make stuff that actually keeps people awake for a few months. Positive reinforcement incentives require that such programs be implemented within a specified timeframe as they're only effective for a few interations. It amazes me that the people at LL don't seem to know this.

This is good general advice.

of course it's not, that would be an attack and cause the thread to be locked.

Well generally, the rental land on the mainland can be called "pretty" most of the time and have some life heh.

In a private sim the houses are lined up like mailboxes when its for profit only, which is sadly all to common... I'd love to see more residential areas interact with amusement/ commercial places.

It's still a sensible amount to spend, if your "bought" popularity brings a commensurate profit with it; I would doubt many people are buying popularity purely as an ego trip. (Ok... a few... maybe )