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Invect Hasp

Registered User

Join date: 5 Apr 2005

Posts: 200

01-21-2006 07:21

The Group Tools group has the following charter:

From: someone

To discuss and test existing and future group tools and comment on them rigorously with field experimentation.

I was ejected from this group by Prokofy Neva, with a message accompanying the ejection notice saying that the group was for promoting capitalism, not overthrowing it, and that I would thus be happier forming my own group.

The officers of this group are:

Buck Spnnaker
Cocoanut Koala
Forset Svarog
Jake Reitveld
Prokofy Neva
Simone Stern
Travis Lambert

Non-officer members of the group include:
Alexa Hope
Barbarra Blair
Chicago Kent
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme
Katt Kongo.

Prokofy Neva's decision to eject me might be due to the fact that I am in a group called "Socialist Party", or might be based on posts I have made in the past, I don't know.

I just wanted to make this known to the officers of the the group and to anyone who might be thinking this group represents the full range of ideological diversity present in the Second Life populace.

The Group Tools charter, which reads: "To discuss and test existing and future group tools and comment on them rigorously with field experimentation", makes no mention of ideological purity as a requirement for membership.

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Phoenix Psaltery

Ninja Wizard

Join date: 25 Feb 2005

Posts: 2,599

01-21-2006 08:36

What is your point and why should we care? And the forum rules explicitly prohibit the pointing of fingers and the naming of names.

P2

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MJ Hathor

Purple Butterfly

Join date: 17 Mar 2005

Posts: 901

01-21-2006 08:48

Any group that PN is in, I wouldn't join anyways. Aside from that, Phoenix is right, naming names/groups in the forums will get this thread edited/closed. Oh wait, its the weekend...let the naming names begin

MJ

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Frans Charming

You only need one Frans

Join date: 28 Jan 2005

Posts: 1,847

01-21-2006 08:56

Let the games begin.

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Garnet Psaltery

Walking on the Moon

Join date: 12 Apr 2005

Posts: 913

01-21-2006 09:01

Invect, I'd advise you to form your own group with a very clear charter.

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Aimee Weber

The one on the right

Join date: 30 Jan 2004

Posts: 4,286

01-21-2006 09:37

Naturally the group officers have a right to run their ship any way they like.

It is, however, useful to know the level of political tolerance a group has in case you are a prospective joiner. It's even more critical for the Lindens to know a group's political bias if that group intends to lobby for change.

Example: "Our group advocates change on behalf of ALL Second Life residents (except the socialists, the leftists, green party folks, fans of Al Franken, people who are left handed, people with purple wings...)" If a group actually had this kind of policy, the Lindens really should know about it before it's assumed they are representative of the general population.

If changing the Group Tools is an issue you feel passionately about, you really should start your own group and advertise how you have a firm policy against political discrimination. I think it would become quite popular.

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ZsuZsanna Raven

~:+: Supah Kitteh :+:~

Join date: 19 Dec 2004

Posts: 2,361

01-21-2006 10:01

From: Phoenix Psaltery

What is your point and why should we care? And the forum rules explicitly prohibit the pointing of fingers and the naming of names.

P2

ditto...

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Siggy Romulus

DILLIGAF

Join date: 22 Sep 2003

Posts: 5,711

01-21-2006 10:04

I wouldn't be too concened - we saw the last 'lobbying group' and where that went *chuckle* I'd say its little more than a mutual mastabatorial society.

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Cristiano Midnight

Evil Snapshot Baron

Join date: 17 May 2003

Posts: 8,616

01-21-2006 11:54

From: Phoenix Psaltery

What is your point and why should we care? And the forum rules explicitly prohibit the pointing of fingers and the naming of names.

P2

This from the person who started a thread about Jonquille Noir?

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Cristiano

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Enabran Templar

Capitalist Pig

Join date: 26 Aug 2004

Posts: 4,506

01-21-2006 11:55

From: Siggy Romulus

I'd say its little more than a mutual mastabatorial society.

Imagine, then, Invect's disappointment at being removed. He shall have to do it himself again!

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From: Hiro Pendragon

Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.

Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?

SuezanneC Baskerville

Forums Rock!

Join date: 22 Dec 2003

Posts: 14,229

01-21-2006 12:05

People join SLgroups not only because they support the groups stated goals but also to monitor the activities of groups they oppose. Assuming that someone endorses socialism because they are in an SL socialist group is naive.

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Phoenix Psaltery

Ninja Wizard

Join date: 25 Feb 2005

Posts: 2,599

01-21-2006 13:02

From: Cristiano Midnight

This from the person who started a thread about Jonquille Noir?

*sigh* I was off my meds. And I have since apologized. Drill a hole in my skull and let the devils out, somebody.

P2

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Jesrad Seraph

Nonsense

Join date: 11 Dec 2004

Posts: 1,463

01-21-2006 13:44

And this is why I'm not in Group Tools

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Either Man can enjoy universal freedom, or Man cannot. If it is possible then everyone can act freely if they don't stop anyone else from doing same. If it is not possible, then conflict will arise anyway so punch those that try to stop you. In conclusion the only strategy that wins in all cases is that of doing what you want against all adversity, as long as you respect that right in others.

Reitsuki Kojima

Witchhunter

Join date: 27 Jan 2004

Posts: 5,328

01-21-2006 13:51

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

People join SLgroups not only because they support the groups stated goals but also to monitor the activities of groups they oppose. Assuming that someone endorses socialism because they are in an SL socialist group is naive.

I would remove from any group I was in a position of authority in any member that I felt was there for the purposes of "keeping an eye on me" or some such.

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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.

Forseti Svarog

ESC

Join date: 2 Nov 2004

Posts: 1,730

01-21-2006 16:30

I have no idea why you got booted but I wouldn't lose sleep over it

The group was formed, as I understood it, simply to test current functionality and discuss group tools among people interested in the subject. It is true that one of the topics being discussed is how new group tools can help in-world organizations, i.e. profit and non-profit businesses, operate more effectively. Given that a lot of the members disagree a lot of the time (i.e. many knows that prok and I are verbally sparring most of the time) I don't really know that groupthink is a necessary prerequisite to membership.

I don't think a lot of the members view it as anything else or anything essential to life itself.

If you care about group tools Invect, then get involved... join jeska's focus groups and provide your own opinion. As for this, as I said, I wouldn't worry about it.

ps. i gather you are welcome to join or attend any meeting you know...

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SuezanneC Baskerville

Forums Rock!

Join date: 22 Dec 2003

Posts: 14,229

01-21-2006 18:01

From: Reitsuki Kojima

I would remove from any group I was in a position of authority in any member that I felt was there for the purposes of "keeping an eye on me" or some such.

How would you know?

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Reitsuki Kojima

Witchhunter

Join date: 27 Jan 2004

Posts: 5,328

01-21-2006 18:31

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

How would you know?

I said "if I felt". Knowing has nothing to do with it. In the context of group management, I am law unto myself - I can act on suspision rather than fact.

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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.

Travis Lambert

White dog, red collar

Join date: 3 Jun 2004

Posts: 2,819

01-21-2006 18:52

From: Garnet Psaltery

Invect, I'd advise you to form your own group with a very clear charter.

Agree as well. Invect - I'd make another discussion group if I were you. The more conversation and thoughts on this topic (regardless of which group is doing it) the better.

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Ejected from the "Group Tools" group
Invect Hasp Registered User Join date: 5 Apr 2005 Posts: 200	01-21-2006 07:21 The Group Tools group has the following charter: From: someone To discuss and test existing and future group tools and comment on them rigorously with field experimentation. I was ejected from this group by Prokofy Neva, with a message accompanying the ejection notice saying that the group was for promoting capitalism, not overthrowing it, and that I would thus be happier forming my own group. The officers of this group are: Buck Spnnaker Cocoanut Koala Forset Svarog Jake Reitveld Prokofy Neva Simone Stern Travis Lambert Non-officer members of the group include: Alexa Hope Barbarra Blair Chicago Kent Jeannedellalune Prudhomme Katt Kongo. Prokofy Neva's decision to eject me might be due to the fact that I am in a group called "Socialist Party", or might be based on posts I have made in the past, I don't know. I just wanted to make this known to the officers of the the group and to anyone who might be thinking this group represents the full range of ideological diversity present in the Second Life populace. The Group Tools charter, which reads: "To discuss and test existing and future group tools and comment on them rigorously with field experimentation", makes no mention of ideological purity as a requirement for membership. _____________________
Phoenix Psaltery Ninja Wizard Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 2,599	01-21-2006 08:36 What is your point and why should we care? And the forum rules explicitly prohibit the pointing of fingers and the naming of names. P2 _____________________
MJ Hathor Purple Butterfly Join date: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 901	01-21-2006 08:48 Any group that PN is in, I wouldn't join anyways. Aside from that, Phoenix is right, naming names/groups in the forums will get this thread edited/closed. Oh wait, its the weekend...let the naming names begin MJ _____________________
Frans Charming You only need one Frans Join date: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 1,847	01-21-2006 08:56 Let the games begin. _____________________
Garnet Psaltery Walking on the Moon Join date: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 913	01-21-2006 09:01 Invect, I'd advise you to form your own group with a very clear charter. _____________________
Aimee Weber The one on the right Join date: 30 Jan 2004 Posts: 4,286	01-21-2006 09:37 Naturally the group officers have a right to run their ship any way they like. It is, however, useful to know the level of political tolerance a group has in case you are a prospective joiner. It's even more critical for the Lindens to know a group's political bias if that group intends to lobby for change. Example: "Our group advocates change on behalf of ALL Second Life residents (except the socialists, the leftists, green party folks, fans of Al Franken, people who are left handed, people with purple wings...)" If a group actually had this kind of policy, the Lindens really should know about it before it's assumed they are representative of the general population. If changing the Group Tools is an issue you feel passionately about, you really should start your own group and advertise how you have a firm policy against political discrimination. I think it would become quite popular. _____________________
ZsuZsanna Raven ~:+: Supah Kitteh :+:~ Join date: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 2,361	01-21-2006 10:01 From: Phoenix Psaltery What is your point and why should we care? And the forum rules explicitly prohibit the pointing of fingers and the naming of names. P2 ditto... _____________________ ~Mewz!~
Siggy Romulus DILLIGAF Join date: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 5,711	01-21-2006 10:04 I wouldn't be too concened - we saw the last 'lobbying group' and where that went chuckle I'd say its little more than a mutual mastabatorial society. _____________________ The Second Life forums are living proof as to why it's illegal for people to have sex with farm animals. From: Jesse Linden I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	01-21-2006 11:54 From: Phoenix Psaltery What is your point and why should we care? And the forum rules explicitly prohibit the pointing of fingers and the naming of names. P2 This from the person who started a thread about Jonquille Noir? _____________________ Cristiano ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more.
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	01-21-2006 11:55 From: Siggy Romulus I'd say its little more than a mutual mastabatorial society. Imagine, then, Invect's disappointment at being removed. He shall have to do it himself again! _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	01-21-2006 12:05 People join SLgroups not only because they support the groups stated goals but also to monitor the activities of groups they oppose. Assuming that someone endorses socialism because they are in an SL socialist group is naive. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Phoenix Psaltery Ninja Wizard Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 2,599	01-21-2006 13:02 From: Cristiano Midnight This from the person who started a thread about Jonquille Noir? sigh I was off my meds. And I have since apologized. Drill a hole in my skull and let the devils out, somebody. P2 _____________________
Jesrad Seraph Nonsense Join date: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 1,463	01-21-2006 13:44 And this is why I'm not in Group Tools _____________________ Either Man can enjoy universal freedom, or Man cannot. If it is possible then everyone can act freely if they don't stop anyone else from doing same. If it is not possible, then conflict will arise anyway so punch those that try to stop you. In conclusion the only strategy that wins in all cases is that of doing what you want against all adversity, as long as you respect that right in others.
Reitsuki Kojima Witchhunter Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,328	01-21-2006 13:51 From: SuezanneC Baskerville People join SLgroups not only because they support the groups stated goals but also to monitor the activities of groups they oppose. Assuming that someone endorses socialism because they are in an SL socialist group is naive. I would remove from any group I was in a position of authority in any member that I felt was there for the purposes of "keeping an eye on me" or some such. _____________________ I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Forseti Svarog ESC Join date: 2 Nov 2004 Posts: 1,730	01-21-2006 16:30 I have no idea why you got booted but I wouldn't lose sleep over it The group was formed, as I understood it, simply to test current functionality and discuss group tools among people interested in the subject. It is true that one of the topics being discussed is how new group tools can help in-world organizations, i.e. profit and non-profit businesses, operate more effectively. Given that a lot of the members disagree a lot of the time (i.e. many knows that prok and I are verbally sparring most of the time) I don't really know that groupthink is a necessary prerequisite to membership. I don't think a lot of the members view it as anything else or anything essential to life itself. If you care about group tools Invect, then get involved... join jeska's focus groups and provide your own opinion. As for this, as I said, I wouldn't worry about it. ps. i gather you are welcome to join or attend any meeting you know... _____________________
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	01-21-2006 18:01 From: Reitsuki Kojima I would remove from any group I was in a position of authority in any member that I felt was there for the purposes of "keeping an eye on me" or some such. How would you know? _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Reitsuki Kojima Witchhunter Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,328	01-21-2006 18:31 From: SuezanneC Baskerville How would you know? I said "if I felt". Knowing has nothing to do with it. In the context of group management, I am law unto myself - I can act on suspision rather than fact. _____________________ I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Travis Lambert White dog, red collar Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,819	01-21-2006 18:52 From: Garnet Psaltery Invect, I'd advise you to form your own group with a very clear charter. Agree as well. Invect - I'd make another discussion group if I were you. The more conversation and thoughts on this topic (regardless of which group is doing it) the better. _____________________ ------------------ The Shelter The Shelter is a non-profit recreation center for new residents, and supporters of new residents. Our goal is to provide a positive & supportive social environment for those looking for one in our overwhelming world.

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