Have you been checking for Froobs?

I am just curious to know if everyone's been checking for Froobs (Free account noobies).

I know I now tend to check if they are verified or not even though I don't use that info to determine the kindof person they are or anything. I am just curious to know if more people I look at are unverified froobs or verified.

I bet Lindens are checking too =P

*huggles*
Sav

I usualy check, just to make sure I know what i'm getting into. I don't want to be kissing some kid.

frOObs live on!

Hmm wonder if clubs and such in SL might start a "info on file" entrance only. Might be an interesting way to for residents to encourage payment. I'm sure there would be a spin off of "froob friendly" clubs.

Show your ID at the door

How in the world does checking if they are a "Froob" tell you if they are a kid or not? There is absolutely no logic to that statement at all.

You should know by now that logic and forums do not mix. No faster way to become a pariah on the interweb than to try using logic on forums...

Logic is for Vulcans
\\// lie long and prostrate!!

Actually, I see a great deal of logic to it.

What I find to be illogical is the "If it's not white, it must be black" logic that is implied here, and I hear constantly.

In the risk of becomming "a praiah on the interweb" I'll try to apply somel ogic. The issue is not that 'Froobs' are underage, but that verified accounts are *less likely* to be underage.

It's been debated to death, but really you can't stop underage kids from getting into adult areas. But you can protect the proprieters of the adult areas by squarely putting the underage kid in the wrong. The verified accounts provide an additional layer of legal safety to those who provide adult services/products or just engage in adult interaction. There are no assurances, true, but there are varying levels of peace-of-mind, and a 'no-Froob' policy would server to increase that level.

The logical way to tell if a person is underage is to talk to them for a while. After some conversation it's pretty easy to tell if they are 13 or 40. In other words, don't kiss people 10 seconds after you meet them.

Using their payment status to decide if they are over 18 is just as silly as using what your horoscope says for the day, and about as effective.

Froobs are yogurt in a tube! 'Cept they spell it frubes..

Easiest way to spot a Froob- they either shoot at you -or- ask you for money so they can buy a gun to shoot at you.

The way I read what Ketra is saying is that no system is perfect.
However statistically there is a greater liklihood that verified
members will be of age. Not all decision processes will
be for determining whether to kiss or whatever else, a new
person. In addition public places may not have the personnel
or time to have a meaningful conversation with each "Froob".
Many places will want to make a best effort to allow
only people of adult age to enter their clubs or businesses.
Or they may only want people who are more likely to behave responsibly. People that have gone to through the process
of verification (which is very simple btw) are once again
more likely to be of age.
And of course while there will always be those clever minors
that will manage to get verified. Those minors with this
tenuous and deceptive status are less likely to lose it by
greifing.
Yet here is the Real Point, it is that the mature Club or Store
owner whose policy it is to block the entrance of unverifieds
specifically for the reason of filtering out minors has taken
the extra step to protect themselves. In an imperfect world
all that is reasonably expected of anyone is a Best Effort.

That being said some of you may want my new CGI graphic
to make your viewpoint known. hehe.

It's not used to determine if one is of legal age.

It's used to estimate likeliness one _isn't_

As such, it can work quite well since there _is_ certain correlation between age and cc access. It's not universal nor absolutely fireproof, but then very few things are. Including the suggested 'talk to them for a while and see if they meet your pre-conception of 18+ year old' alternative.

If I was a juror on a case against someone from SL, the fact that they banned “froobs” from their store wouldn't matter to me at all. It's not effective at preventing underage people from shopping there, so is therefore meaningless.

On what presumptions do you base your facts? ^^

(in other words, do you have any actual data to back up that claim?)

It would be like the owner of a porno shop hiring a blind guy to sit at the door and ask everyone who walked in if they are under 18.

How would he know if they were lying or not?

No it's not. The other day I banned a resident who had always struck me as mature and polite in numerous prior conversations. But I overheard him admit that he hadn't had his 18th birthday yet and was left with no choice but to ban and AR as underage.


That must be why it's become the main method adult internet sites use to filter registrations and at least attempt to cover themselves legally. Until there is a more bulletproof method of verification, COPA will be tried again and again until it sticks. And this is all we have.

A credit card is not a sure way of determining age.

We're only playing with statistics. That is, someone with a credit card is more likely to be of age. That's only "more likely" and not "surely."

Most places on the internet rely on CCs to screen for age. Given that it's really impossible to prove an account holder's age, CCs are what I call "best efforts." To do so tells enforcement agencies that "at least you're trying."

A lot of companies use statistics even if they can't be sure. An example is "would you like fries to go with that?" Not everyone orders fries, I rarely do. But that suggestion from McDonalds servers says that McDonalds has statistics showing that people are likely to order fries if you suggest it to go with certain kinds of meals, or conversely people who order certain kinds of meals are likely to want fries but might forget to order them.

I do a lot more talking to people while sitting down. I can still give advice, landmarks and conversation in a chair as easily as standing up.