The Current Law System

the current law system IMHO is a lil "easy". I see people getting banned for 3 days, sometimes 7, rarely 14 days for what LL describe as stealing L$ from other residents. now i dont want to start a discussion about people stealing things in SL or whatever this is about what LL do to enfroce the "SL Law". What do you think? should more perma-bans be handed out? should they introduce month long or year long bans for repeat offenders?

DICUSS!!

Well, due to the fact that anyone can make ALTs, none of this matters anyway....

but I think griefers and people purposely out to bug other people should get
warning first time
1 week ban 2nd time
perminant ban 3rd time

people running scams, and tricking people out of money
1 month ban first time
perminant ban 2nd time

Well we have actually no way of knowing how many perma bans there have been since that is the punishment they do not post. I was told by a Linden that generally when you see a 14 day ban those tend to lead to perma bans, that the 14 day ban is used for investigation time.

i see, so if someones abnned for 14 days for running a scam tht made them like 100k normall they would get perma-abnned anyways, good to hear.

anyone else got thoughts

Axel, try being banned for trying to help or being banned for something contestable...

When the department that handles abuse appeals actually works THEN I'll support bigger bans. Fixing the system we DO have takes presidence of abitrary lengths of time. The point is to teach someone a lesson, you dont need a damned month to teach someone not to do something.

View my preposal in the suggested features area... its much better than this crap.

The fact is we say "18 is good enough for X, so beign 18 years old must be good for Y and Z."

This is proven over and over again in united states law. It is a very poor president because it wont be longer suspensions for just "theives and griefers" but will extend to people like Cristano and myself who just reported a bug... imagine how pissed and aflame the forums would have been upon our return in 10 or 14 days?

The fact is, 1, 3 and 7 days are good enough... if that doesnt get the message across, ramping up the time wont.

excuse me. im not saying, ban everyone for a month. im saying, people who steal L$ and make well in the 4-6 didget mark should be banned for a longer time, but as somsones informed us that LL usally do perma-ban those who have done tht even tho it says only for 14 days as they use that for investigation time. so please dont go flaming me and my thread as im asking for opinions, and, thanks for yours. i didnt say to never hand out 3 day bans for things like swearing in PG area and to ban em for a month, but come on be reasonable some people wont learn not being able to log in for 3 days

See my edit please, I explain my thoughts further.

I just feel if we up the penalty for one form of bad behavior, we will see the others be ramped up as well.

Linden labs doesn't have a set "ladder" at this point, you dont get warnings, 1 day, then 3, then 7...

In some ways this is good because a "three strikes" system can be rather unfair, as someone can do something wrong and not know it is considered as much, or have left on their penis, crashed, and popped up in a PG sector and get banned...

In other respects, like with CrisM and myself, a formal warning would have been more prudent.

Please keep in mind you've not been "through" the system, I have... it'd be like someone representing longer terms on a chain gang because they get fresh air, but having never been subjected to it themselves.

Finally.... big offenders just get banned, I've seen more than a few avatars who were known theifs deleted (as in their avatar is gone from search, and they are gone from SL) without so much as a peep in the police blogger... I think this has to do with them being found by LL and not ARed by a resident.

The Lindens are doing the absolute best they can with the situation, but population is increasing exponentially faster than Linden staff assigned to handle complaints and abuse reports.

You can draw your own conclusions from that as to where all this will end up, but the sad truth is that no matter what you or I might think is appropriate, they're going to do whatever they have the resources to do, and that's going to be it. And that's not going to be very much.

Coalitions of various groups are forming to share information on griefers, their histories and activities. Whether we label this cooperation as enlightened self-interest or vigilantism, these coalitions and other citizen's groups will eventually have a vastly greater effect on the civility of SL's citizens toward one another than the Lindens themselves do.

The good news is that this is actually likely to succeed, as griefers rarely work in packs of more than five or six people at a time, and lack the organization necessary to do very much other than make fools of themselves. They often spend as much time shooting each other for fun as they do shooting at anybody else, so cooperation isn't exactly their strong suit.

im almost getting tired of the population boom being a reason(for any and every thing), noone made lindenlabs go out and market the crap out of their product when they didnt have the resources to manage it

Our poor little asset server

Quoted for emphasis.

There is no justification for Linden Labs allowing freebee schmoozers to corrupt a service others are paying for. I will never accept "they're doing what they can" when I sign up and pay for a service that is stated as one thing, but in actuality is something completely different.

thx Cilis Nephilim for putting me my place, osryr for bursting out like that, thx for your opinion and i do see what your getting at.

axel

Most griefers i see are newbs that have gotten their cute lil baby hands on something that they dont understand. Thinking everyone under the age of a week should be given a second chance, UNLESS its an alt thats doing it on purpose. Thank you once again for the firebomb Eric!!! LOL i remove fire weekly from our places..wew it needs re engineered to make the fires die off after a few minutes...this place is such a trip. Think stealing and cheating to make L is a hanging offense tho...

OHMYGAWD!! It's the "I-paid-for-it-and-all-the-freebies-are-ruining-it!" stratagy!
The service hasn't changed, you're still playing SL, the lindens just got overrun.
It's not as if they have infinite resources to spend on you, the "paying customer", 's whim.

But the service has changed.

The asset server is creaking under the strain. Performance has degraded. Lag has increased.

All because of thousands of new players who aren't paying one dollar towards the same service that I am paying $35 a month (tier plus premium) for.

If those thousands of new players were even only paying a one off $9.99 fee to keep their account after 2 weeks or something, just think how much extra money Linden Lab would have to hire more staff, upgrade hardware, whatever.

I'm not aware of any other online game that allows you to pay for free forever with no restrictions. Ever considered that perhaps there is a very good reason for that?

There are many simple changes and restrictions that could be made that would not affect genuine real players in exploring SL and seeing its potential - yet these facilities if moved to being "unlocked" by going premium could generate a lot of much needed income.

Lewis

As I understand it, LL makes the majority of their money from investors and from land sales and from tier, not from the piddly 10 bucks a month premium fee.
So because I don't pay money directly to LL I'm not a "genuine real player"? Funny, LL seems to think I am. Given all the things I do in SL, I can't think of any possible restrictions that WOULDN'T seriously affect me.