Yard Sale Posting...

I recently received emails from Linden telling me that I am in violation of commercial posting of events. Now, I have seen for many months that others have been doing the same thing and had no problems that have heard of. However, there are those that seem to be exempt from this rule. I look daily and seem spam after spam by certain class that are taught here and others. How come they do not have to conform? Their instructors are paid so that is commercial in my mind.

All of sudden, now the event posting is an issue. I was told bya Linden that I can file as many classifieds as I want. Oh sure, in order to get a good spot on the list, it costs money. Is LL that hard up??? They are taking away the financial reward for dwell and now this. Phil Honey, this is not the way to increase the residents here in SL as you say you want to. LL is trying to publize that one can make a rl living here in SL. Right, so you continue take away ways of doing it by having things COST us more money. Maybe that makes sense to you.

It would be real nice if your staff was a deligent at solving the problems that we face daily.....LAG!! The game performance continues to decrease with each update. I have a gaming computer like many others here and the performance of SL is poor on a good day. I am not alone in my feelings.

LL needs to set rethink their priorities I think. I have heard that there are new features coming with the next update. I shutter to think what that will do to the game performance especially on the weekends.

LL has a diamond here, if they are not careful, it will revert back to a piece of coal.

*is in one of her moods*

Spam on the event list is SPAM..

even if you and/or others have been able to get away with it it is still spam.

"honest officer everyoen else was doing 85, and that balck car was doing 90...."

The only reason people have been posting yard sales for so long with so many repeats is because they haven't been caught yet. LL are now cracking down on these rules violations and will hopefully be enforcing them more in the future.

The reason that classes are left is that:

Scripting for beginners
Scripting intermediate
Scripting advanced
Building for beginners
Building intermediate
Building advanced

are six different events, all of which are at a set time and hosted by an individual - not a 24 hour, host absent, commercial event.

A commercial event is one where you are making money. A class is not a store - which is what a yard sale is.

Personally I don't have a problem with yard sales - as long as they genuinely are a yard sale. A 24 hour, absent host, simply selling stuff at normal price which is on sale in a store somewhere owned by the absent host, in my opinion does not qualify.

Lewis

*Nods* in agreement

True yardsales rock. Those are hard to find with all the 'Come to my store' crap that has been listed lately.

Linden Lab is now cracking down on the events and yes it HAS been allowed for a long time, but NOW it's 'Shock and Awe' time, and I'm happy to see it.

Classes are not even CLOSE to NON events...they have a start and end time and an instructor that is present. Plus every class is invaluable to SL IMO
Except that one place that is selling instructions in a box on how to create things under the GUISE of being a class Pfft Gotta AR that place next time I see it listed.

I'm glad Events is being cleaned up. For one thing, I meet new residents often, and recommend they take a basic building class - which then turns into "How can I find one?" and "Ummm... (as I wade through a bazillion non-events) ...er... well..."

Now that we might actually look at the calendar again, there is more incentive for real event-holders to hold events and classes.

Originally posted by FxyLdy Moonlight



Have you read the event agreement before you signed it ?

Advertisements for commercial products or services will be deleted from the events calendar. Repeated misuse of the event posting system for this purpose may lead to disciplinary action against the poster's account.

An event is defined as a special group activity that is led by a host on land owned either by the host or by a group the host belongs to. Examples include discussions, group meetings, hosted dances, classes, tours, and competitions.

An event is framed by a beginning and an end time. Thus '24hr Sales' and 'Non-Stop Casinos' are not events.



Yard sales, stores, malls etc are not events they are businesses and as such should be posting in the classifieds.



They are working on these issues, but also working on making SL a better place for all of us, nice diversionary tactic tho. Perhaps if you hadn't broken the rules and been slapped on the wrist for it you wouldn't be so upset.



LL enforcing the stated policies has been long overdue.



If you can't "play by the rules" get out of the playground.

Just sayin

*huggles*

Ash

Fxy darlin, as you know thanks to (unnamed) Linden's lazy ass they cracked down on yard sales legitimate or otherwise.

Now the crackdown is expanding in the usual blanket (just so easy) way.

Its so totally hard and boring to fulfil promises made to us about a usuable, filtered events list. Much easier to just go about it in this fashion.

its OK to whine up in here about events, but its not ok to whine about unkept promises to the solutions of the problems.

Your lump of coal, your lump of coal.

Be sure that philly most likely has no idea about all this - maybe he does. But again, I send out the challenge to him to make a noob avatar, toss out all his lindie powers and come in here TODAY and make a success of himself.

And half of yall bitching and moaning up on here barely log in, never attended events in the first place, and don't live this stuff each and every day. You know who I'm talking too, so the rest of yall don't bother posting some sorta but but but I'm not like that replies.

They know who they are. And its all well and good for us to be sitting here with a year or two under our belts and start crying on lindie shoulders about the "mess and the hash of the events list"

When we all know damn well the reason thing are as they are today is the snowball effect from choices made on not only the events list but several other issues that brought us to this point.

I saw the saddest blog the other day, that illustrated blow by blow a smart, enterprising and talented individual's attempt to come in here after reading Forbres mag and how awesome it was to make money in here.

I'd post the link, but now the site is taken down entirely. One more person who came in here with the skimpy ass support and help tools and gave it their all - extremely talented in RL applical to SL skills and all; and then gone forever.

Dance and be happy now yall. Just do that. But remember your damn history and know exactly why there seems to be "nothing good" on the list.

So let me see if I understand this. Thirty car thieves steal vehicles, only one gets caught and punished, for now, so the other twenty nine can skip along singing la la la and continue grabbing cars with impunity: 'I didn't know it was wrong, whaaa, they only grabbed that guy!' ?

While consistency is ideal, enforcement of legitimate guidelines has to start somewhere. Kudos to Linden Labs for finally taking this very appropriate action.

Signed,
The grumpy Mermaid entirely weary of wading through voluminous, flagrantly nonsensical lists.

I want to respond here. I have no agrument if all are being treated the same there. But it is true that we are not. That is my beef. If all of you that do not agree with me do not mind paying more money and making less. Fine. Personally I think it sucks. I wonder what else will be taken away? Or a charge added for?

I am not allowed to post my yard sales and so on. Ok, I just looked at the events list. There are others posted there. Also, I have no argument with classes being posted as events. True classes that are events. Classes that are held in connection with a commercial mall is another matter in my view.

I want it truly understood why I am angry. My "hand being slapped" is no problem. If all are being slapped. Personally, I think a warning of the crackdown of the policy and so on would have been more professional. But I have only been in SL since September of last year and I am used to other places that do that. So I will not hold that against Linden Labs.

I guess I will start holding afternoon tea with crumpets periodically, ice cream socials and maybe poetry readings. Are those officially considered events?

All Fxy is asking for is Fair Treatment for everybody on the list. The biggest difference between Teazers and most of the rest of us on the list is size. The last time I attended a Teazers class the teleport brought me in smack dab in the middle of their mall, not in the distant location of their class. Classes are surely valid events, but Teazer's way of doing it is like running commercials before a movie.

As to yardsales, well nearly every event notice we have put into the events list has generated traffic to our location. Somebody was reading through the list and coming to our yard sale events and isn't that the purpose of the Events list?

And Fxy is right that Linden Labs keeps removing things that we all have come to depend on. Dwell wasn't much but for some people (not us) it was the difference between breaking even and losing. Dwell funded event prizes. What is the incentive now for providing activites to give other people something to do? What will Linden remove next?

Thoughtfully,

Karla

There was a time a few months back, i used to actually read the events list. This was after the last time LL tried to fix it by making things educational. I used to attend scripting and building classes and contests. But after a while people started using 1337 speak to bypass the filters and crap so i assume LL decided to ignore it. So i don't bother reading it now. When i first joined SL the events list was cleaner then now, but was still out of control. I'm glad to see LL has taken action again. I know this method requires each one manually singled out, so they need our help. I'm willing to AR a few if they get in my way.

Yup there are still some that I see now. We are encouraged to AR those we now see listed.



Again I agree, all of a sudden a Linden rode in and started slashing and burning otherwise tolerated behavior w/out notice. I think it needed to be done without a doubt, but an announcement prior would have been better.



Yup, as long as you are there eating crumpets and reading poetry as well

Ok I have to say you DO have a point w/ that. But one can take a 'ride' that takes you directly to class. I dunno, tough call.

Yard sales per se are not forbidden.

If people are going to just go in and start AR'ing every yard sale they see on the events list, well then, I'm glad I had my yard sale already.

If you go and check during the time the yard sale is listed and a host is there, then you have no cause to report them.

If you go at some other time than the hours listed for the event, and there is no host there, but there are still some things out in their yard, then you also have no cause to report them, because you were not there during the hours of the event.

Unless of course there is also some rule against leaving items out after the hours of your event are over.

Which there isn't.

coco

You are assuming I don't have a clue or don't know wtf is up, but I assure you I do. But thanks for the 'yardsale events 101' tutorial. Do you have a tip ball?

Coco you are correct, but if they in there yard sale posting say it is a 24/7 yard sale then you dont need to check for the host because it breaks the start and end rule. But I do agree with you on the checking if the host is there during event hours.

I do not know if this will make you feel any better, but I go through the classified almost everyday and visit the ones that interest me. I begin at the bottom with the 50 L$ ads, not the top.

Right, that seems logical to me also.

I am assuming that everyone who got a warning got one because they advertised a yard sale during certain hours but were not actually there during those hours, or else advertised them 24/7 with clearly no intention of being there as a host 24/7.

coco

I just checked the event listing from current time to the last event in there, I didnt see any to abuse report because they all either it fit event rules, or it was a yard sale, and the yard sale time was in the future.

One way to find events that include the term building but don't have the terms yard, sale, opening, game, or play would be to Click This Link.