One girl's opinions.

**DISCLAIMER** Sensative subjects ahead. Proceed with caution and thought.

I don't post much on the forums, I prefer to spend my time in SL, but some discussions goes on out here that are insightfull. The majority could be flushed back to where they came from. *smirks*

For those that do have a brain, feel free to read and think. I doubt I'm saying anything you haven't thought of, but felt like posting in hopes that it might spark some thought in others.

Oh, and if you feel like flaming, go right ahead. I look at flame posts and laugh that the person has nothing better to do with thier pathetic lives. *grins*


On Telehubs and P2P TP;
Quite frankly, this is heaven sent. TH's were lagfests. Both from avies TPing in all over each other, and from landowners around the hub putting up stores and HUGE amounts of textures, objexts, scripts, etc that increased the lag even further. To those that feel the loss of TH's is going to hurt you buisness, don't worry. I avoided anything like that in the first place. My only thought at TPing to a hub was to rez enough to get out of there. I never understood why the land price in a LAG HEAVY area was so high. To me the land there was worthless. If anyone could complain about the P2P TP it would be private land owners out in BFE for privacy, but LL has already planned for that and set in permissions for land owners to restrict P2P to thier land.

Dwell:
All well and good, but land owners get dwell no matter how long an avie is there. This is why TH lands are clogged by buisnesses. Any avie crossing them give them dwell wether the person was meaning to be there or not. IMO, dwell should be based off voting machines at buisiness sites. If no one votes for you, then tough. Places with high dwell now are sometimes not even popular, just convieniantly located. Dwell doesn't show popularity, it just shows traffic.

Malls/Clubs and other "popular" places;
Malls=lag-fests. I avoid them like the plague if I can find what I'm looking for ANYWHERE else. I feel the persons running them would be better off to buy several small lands in various sims, put diverent shopping "departments" (ie clothes, weapons, jewlery) in seperate sims, and place a directory listing of what sims have what at each local. The smaller size=less lag, and the directories would help people find what they want faster making them happier and making them use those stores more.
Clubs; great to party in until they reach the "popular list". Once there the majority of them (some don't) just go stupid trying to hold onto it to get the DI. Personally, any place on the "popular list" is a place I avoid. It might be a great place, but 90% of the time it is just a bunch of flash and lag.

Moneychairs/Dancepads/etc;
Good for places that have sitdown events. Tringo, slingo, poker, casinos, etc. Bad for clubs, shopping malls, or anywhere that people need to MOVE around in to really enjoy what is there. Yes, they increase dwell, but the lag caused by inert avies not even using the place around them is enough to drive off potential customers (at least THIS potential customer). It also brings in people who are looking to MAKE money, not spend it. Nothing against those who use them (I do myself in quiet sims), but if you are running a buisness, why do you want people there that are taking money, not spending it?

Lastly is a VERY delicate subject. The "look" of the world.
In other words, all those ugly, view-blocking, boardering-on-harrassing objects/buildings/signs that people put up.
Understood is the fact that you on your land and can do anything on it. Understood is that when someone buys the plot next to you they can do anything on it as well. Where does common sense (and common curtosy) come inot the fact? Wether it's a wealthy landowner building walls all around that newbie's 512m plot so they can't see the sun and are forced sell to them, or annoying signs put on 2m plots. There comes a time when commen sense needs to step in and LL should do something about it. These are two extreme examples, but, although anything is alllowed in SL, the one thing that is not allowed is harrassment. If someone finds it harrassing to look out their window and see signs everywhere or a huge wall all around, shouldn't LL step in? Not to just simply remove the signs, or the walls (I agree, that would be infringing on the others enjoyment and boarder on harrassment there) but to work out a compromise. LL has stated that the residents should band together and form a "homeowners association". The problem there is that the HOA has no power, only LL does. Or perhaps we need to look at it another way, that ALL of SL Residents belong to the SL HOA and our complaints of land differences are going to them as the head of the HOA.

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~Jessy

Sorry, this is factually wrong. Dwell does not start to be counted untill you have spent 5 (five) minutes on a plot.
If you browse around a store at a THub for 4 mins, then move to the next store and do the same then move on to where you wanted to be you don't give either of them any dwell at all.

Note that it is not just the folks on the "popular list" (Top 20) that receive the DI. The DI list is the top 2% of traffic generators - which ends up being more like a top 50+ list.

I'm happy staying off the popular list for exactly the reasons you state above. But we still get just enough activity to get a DI every month.

I'm gonna have to remember this, because it's _brilliant_.

Amen, Jessica, I totally agree!

Hear, hear!

Finally, some decent, reasoned thinking on this forum.

Wonderful Post.

I say away with TH buildings. P2P is the way to go.

As for the ones that fight and scratch and play dirty to get to the popular list. I have no interest. I love my sim and I love my club Schmooze. Its a place for the weekends. A place for my djs and friends. Be social, get silly and just have some good adult fun.
I have reached the list, with Schmooze and prior clubs I have owned, but to be honest with you, I perfer to stay off the list, i like my privacy and want privacy for my tenants.Rule of thumb, if one person has had a good time....then its all that matters, your goal has been reached. Wishy washy... maybe, but its true.

~Tya

Remember that smaller size also = rental or low prim.



I don't think this is the case. I don't think it'd be difficult to code a camping chair that the seated resident could move around the parcel - but I don't think there'd be much point, because most of the time, by sitting in a camping chair in the first place they've decided they're doing nothing with the 3D world or possibly nothing at all. I don't know if there's anywhere that lets you sit in a camping chair to play Tringo, but I suspect not because there's really no need. And yes, I can see a value for them in rental malls - not a person's own shop, but a rental mall, yes. Landowner gets paid rent, landowner pays some back to people who sit in chairs, when the chair sitters get unidle they use that money to buy from the stores, and then the landowner puts the rent up because their mall is popular and generates sales. People need to make money in order to have it to spend, and people who get their money for free will spend it more freely that people who worked for or paid US$ for it.



What compromise can there be that doesn't involve removing the objects?

Totally valid complaint (and I agree) but the idea of distributing your store departments across several sims was not practical until P2P. I think we will now see a change in the way businesses can be run on a practical basis, and a change in the way teleporting gets wrapped into advertising in new ways. Should be interesting

Agreed.


I agree, and I don't think land barons see this at all.


Not quite.

"offer teleport" still overrides land permissions for tp. Fortunately, it seems LL is open to adding an addition feature for landowners to fix it.


Voting was what was there before dwell. Going back in time is not the answer; we learned that voting was gamed, not accurate, and wasted prims.

I personally think dwell should be eliminated and the money normally given to dwell be reapportioned in some other fashion.


While that's true, traffic means people are staying logged into SL, and that is LL's primary goal.


Fortunately, HTML in SL has the chance to totally revolutionize malls in SL. With vendor interfaces switching to HTML interfaces, malls have the potential to become nice shopping areas.


For sure. All mall listings seem to try and cram every conceivable product name in the description of the land, and it certainly doesn't help finding a particular item when twenty places all sell, "Animations, furniture, AVs, skin, tinies, weapons, cars, planes, animals, shoes, clothing, sex balls, and gadgets."


Well, those people are selling their linden $'s to people who will spend it ... seems kind of necessary, no?


Varney has a homeowner's association and it works fairly well, except for this one angry oldbie who refuses to turn off his persistent timers and sensors.

This seems unnecessarily harsh, though. It basically means that if I want to talk to a friend I can be in a situation where it's more convenient to just IM them than to try and find where on earth they just got teleported to. That hurts versimilitude.

I also wish I could have a list of approved folks who could P2P onto my land. It seems a pain that folks can't P2P to their own private rented areas (unless it's their home) because if they could anyone can.



I think that's just plain wrong. LL wants people to subscribe. People logging in costs them bandwidth bills. If everyone would just subscribe but never log in, LL would be in clover

I agree with most of what you say, except that I don't believe LL should get involved in HOA-like disputes. I'm more of a believer in laissez-faire (no government interaction in business).

Bottom line is that business is business, and we all have the same opportunities and abilities. Yes, ugly spinning signs on 2m land plots are annoying, but can't we find better ways to deal with it than getting LL to remove it? I mean there may actually be a good reason for a sign on a small plot of land, so it becomes objective as to whether it is abusive or not.

For example, we once moved our store from one sim to another, but kept a small plot of land in the original spot with a sign pointing to the new location. We only kept it around for a short period of time, then took it down and released the land. That, to me, is perfectly reasonable.

Usually, I notice that ignoring those who do annoying builds or garish, gawdy signs, is good enough to make them go away in time.

Just my L$0.02