Description of what a Real event is?

I'd like to know the qualifications for listing events? I had my very first yardsale which btw it was hosted all the time except for when needing sleep and was takin off the events listing because its not considered a (real) event but yet there are several yard sales listed on the events listings AND employment for clubs, camping chairs, sales at stores and so on.. so what, its who u know or who u blow that allows you to stay on the events list? I mean come on, if they are going to fix this event listing deal, do it right and not half assed!

theres soo few real events i dont even know anymore

1 they should be hosted

and linden labs half ass something? bah never! on second thought Always!

From the page where you sign up your event:

"An event is defined as a special group activity that is led by a host on land owned either by the host or by a group the host belongs to. Examples include discussions, group meetings, hosted dances, classes, tours, and competitions.
"An event is framed by a beginning and an end time. Thus '24hr Sales' and 'Non-Stop Casinos' are not events.

"The 'Commercial' category was created for the purpose of grand openings, demonstrations, product launches etc. Each of these types of events should have a clear beginning and end time attached. Otherwise, they belong in the Second Life Classifieds, not the Events calendar. Posting events that are simply advertisements will not be acceptable."

coco

Thanks CoCo, I can read! doesn't mean that is how they are conducting it.

yea but when i signed up there was no classified ad's inworld and its the same speech...

its the same ol story change the rules without changing the rules? how does that work?

Essentially, here is the reality of the events calendar as it exists today, to answer your question:

The guidelines for posting an event, are what Coco quoted above.

Because of the sheer volume of events on the calendar, these guidelines are enforced arbritrarily. Occasionally, a Liason will sweep the calendar for events that, under that particular Liason's interpretation violate the rules, and remove them. Other times a Liason will respond to a complaint by a resident, and if there is a violation - remove the event.

The only sure-fire way to prevent your event from being removed from the calendar is to not only abide by the letter of the event posting guidelines, but the spirit of them as well.

Many folks understand that enforcement is intermittent on the event calendar. They take a risk, and post their clerly-against-the-rules event anyway. If it stays, bully for them. If it gets removed, it seems to be taken as a collateral risk. (Note: IMHO, taking this strategy is uncool.)

Hopefully someday, we'll have tools to easily find what we want on the event calendar that make it unneccesary for Linden to spend man-hours enforcing restrictions. Until then, the whole thing is quite a mess.

Events should be:

* Unique
* Varied
* Have an active role by at least one resident
* Listed in an orderly fashion
* Timely (ie. no late hosts)
* Easy to understand and get to



Events should not be:

* A common function of the business (ie. yard sales being fronts for a store)
* Spammed repeatedly, filling legitimate event slots
* A front for an ulterior motive (ie. scams, pyramid schemes, data mining, etc)
* Hosted on a location that is virtually inaccessible (ie. ban lines, boot scripts)


And most importantly:

* Events should fit the common sense criteria of "event." If you have to weasel around the definition, you're not hosting an event. So don't.


This public service announcement brought to you by "Pointless Event Browsers Obsolete to Better Searching, Inc." Have a nice day.

hang on - you (99.9% of the time) create a event to create dwell or to hope that the event draws attention to the nearby shops that just happen to be yours or rented from you

doesnt that make virtually all events commercial?

this includes poetry readings, meetings, idea groups etc - they are there to create knowleadge - spread the word etc but to also have people on your land

the shelter (sorry to pick on you - this isnt ment in any bad way travis) has events to get dwell to pay for teh land - yes its a charity group and gives away loads of info to newbies - but their is a buisness behind it.

this is true of real life aswell - all museums here are free to go to - but have donation boxes galour and buy/sell works of art, charity venues sell items and spaces, even churchs/temples/mosques/other have donation and money making events

i used to have a house with a club/movie theater and a bar (the bar was seperate and the club/theatre had a switch script to be one or teh other - it was vcool) built into it - i didnt advertise when i was there to host in the events listings and the land folded later on because the hoose was to much for the money i was makin in sl (all sl money stays there for me - i dont have the rl money to buy more)

so how can u not break the rules?

I am considering an "event" hosted by me in a Linden owned (i f I am not mistaken) SIM.

I am planning a guided tour of Venice. I know the real Venice very well, and I think I can guide a small group (say 4-6) avatars on a tour explaining how the real Venice is using the virtual one, plus notecards, pictures, urls.

I have tried this with friends (one at a time) and I think I am able to pull this off... not sure yet if I will charge or just ask for tips... or just doing it for the hell of it. I am not in SL to get rich (or even pretending to break even).

Theoretically, I think the event may need 2 hours (I don't know how much the group size would impact this).

So. Location would be Venice. Host would be myself, length 2 hours, group size would be limited to 6 avatars MAX.

Is this an event? Am I missing anything?

Absolutely. In fact, that's probably the best example of how a real event should be structured.

Or how they were when I joined Second Life.

Where does it say that events should be 'unique'? If that were the case, we would see nothing at all on the events board, which might be an improvement.

Pamar: That sounds like an event to me (and certainly something that should be on the events calendar, very interesting idea).

I'm still of the opinion that a place where people come to buy things that other people are selling, without any other significant activity really going on, is a shop. A place which only sells things for a limited time is a shop with limited opening hours. The proprietor being there doesn't make it not a shop - I'm quite commonly to be found hanging around Ordinal Laboratories, testing things and building, and I often talk to people and show them what I'm currently working on, but that doesn't mean it magically becomes an event when I'm there. If I planned a discussion group there to illustrate the finer points of widget design, then I'd call that an event.

However, I wish a bit more consistency would be applied to the moderation of the events listings. If Lindens are purging all yard sales etc that's fine, but it needs to be consistently applied every day (or more frequently than that ideally) otherwise people will look at the events calendar, see yard sales, think "oh, yard sales are okay, I'll put mine up" and then be confused and annoyed when their items are removed.

You're absolutely wrong here. I have events to see friends, have fun, learn, entertain, hear music... forget dwell, I'd opt-out of the entire system if I could! If you're throwing an event to create dwell or draw attention to a nearby shop, well, then, you're probably not really throwing an event; you're advertising, and that's what the classifieds are for!

Regards,

-Flip

Hehe - no offense taken, Kornation But that's only partially true.

With the exception of Sundays, for the most part we schedule one event per day. These are our game shows - and they're meant to provide something else interesting to do other than dancing & socializing.

While we do receive dwell off the game shows, its only a small portion of our total - maybe 10-20%. Considering the total amount we receive in dwell for the entire Shelter is around L$250/day - this means that our game shows provide us around L$25-L$50 per day in dwell.

The vast majority of activity that goes on around the Shelter is completely unposted to the event calendar. Our "normal" activity is just hanging out - I see no reason to post that to the calendar. Its only our special events that deviate from what we normally have going on 24/7 that I actually post.

Amen, Flip

Speaking as someone who once made the mistake of posting a yard sale as an event and has now learned that is not ok.... I'd like to suggest a possible solution. There are lots of people who do search the events listings for yard sales and store sales. After all there is a reason these things are so popular. The classifieds in my opinion simply don't work. They can't work for the average person when you have one store paying upwards of 25000L to ensure their place at the top of the list. (This was what i saw the last time i read the classifieds list about a week ago)

So, why not a seperate page exclusively for yard sales and store sales? Not one in which the more you pay determines where you are placed on the list but simply arranged by time just like the events list. This would eliminate the problem of multiple postings by those holding the sales and would simplify the search for those attending the sales. This is how newspapers do it in RL. When you advertise a yard sale in a newspaper, you are charged a set fee and your ad is placed in one section along with all the others just like it.

Just an idea.

Flipper, with all due respect - one doesn't define whether an event is an event by whether one thinks the person running it may have ulterior motives.

a. Well, that's an event because even though it's bringing him dwell, he doesn't CARE that it is bringing him dwell.

b. This other thing is not an event, because it brings the guy dwell and he likes it, even holds the event to get it.

Personally, I don't care whether the guy running Blood 21 is happy to get my dwell or not. I'm happy to attend Blood 21.

coco

I'm of the opinion that if I hold a yard sale irl I am not a shop. I'm of the opinion that if I go to a yard sale irl I am not going to a shop.

coco