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SuezanneC Baskerville

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01-11-2006 06:10

I seem to be having trouble finding much info on the covenant idea that seems to be in development, can someone point me to where the information on this topic is?

Hmm, if Second Life made changes that allowed people to live together in an atmosphere they find pleasant, would that be another example of cutting in on a developer's market, like Anshe, Prokofy, and others?

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Iron Perth

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01-11-2006 07:26

Hey SuezanneC, Justice is working on this and it looks pretty interesting.

/148/11/81865/1.html#post840896

Ulrika Zugzwang

Magnanimous in Victory

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01-11-2006 07:35

Next comes the government.

~Ulrika~

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Kevn Klein

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Join date: 5 Nov 2004

Posts: 3,422

01-11-2006 07:50

I would love to see a few sims with "city" streets connected to every driveway, and homes conforming to a standard. Something that would look like a typical neighborhood from the 1960's. A little park/community center in the middle would be nice, with a pool and BBQ area. Maybe a little main street for commercial use, conforming to the theme would be nice. Allowing only those who live in the sim to sell goods there.

If it's run by LL that would be great, as politics would be reduced.

Chris Wilde

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Join date: 21 Jul 2004

Posts: 768

01-11-2006 08:09

From: Kevn Klein

If it's run by LL that would be great, as politics would be reduced.

There would still be alot of politics and drama if LL ran it. In fact I would venture to say if LL ran it, there would be delays in getting regulations enforced.

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Enabran Templar

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01-11-2006 08:13

The Covenant are coming?

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Someone get the Master Chief!

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Ulrika Zugzwang

Magnanimous in Victory

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01-11-2006 08:57

From: Chris Wilde

There would still be alot of politics and drama if LL ran it. In fact I would venture to say if LL ran it, there would be delays in getting regulations enforced.

Correct. It shall be in control of users not Lindens.

~Ulrika~

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Desmond Shang

Guvnah of Caledon

Join date: 14 Mar 2005

Posts: 5,250

01-11-2006 09:19

From: Ulrika Zugzwang

Correct. It shall be in control of users not Lindens.

~Ulrika~

Ulrika, you were the harbinger and archetype of all of this.

Are ye not just a wee bit proud?

Personally I'm trying to find a system of government for my own upcoming sims that won't scare everyone off, but still provide the zoning they want.

I've looked at Neualtenburg, and it has one major flaw that I can see: it requires a lot of participation to work well. I suspect I'll have a lot of tenants that could care less.

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Martin Magpie

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01-11-2006 09:22

From: Kevn Klein

I would love to see a few sims with "city" streets connected to every driveway, and homes conforming to a standard. Something that would look like a typical neighborhood from the 1960's. A little park/community center in the middle would be nice, with a pool and BBQ area. Maybe a little main street for commercial use, conforming to the theme would be nice. Allowing only those who live in the sim to sell goods there.

If it's run by LL that would be great, as politics would be reduced.

mmmm yummy

a dream of mine too Kevn

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Martin Magpie

Catherine Cotton

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01-11-2006 09:26

From: Ulrika Zugzwang

Next comes the government.

~Ulrika~

Unless its enforceable its just RP. Sorry but that's how I see it.

Although I am still very interested in seeing how ppl run their gov't in SL and how it turns out for them.

Mar

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Enabran Templar

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01-11-2006 09:38

From: Martin Magpie

Unless its enforceable its just RP. Sorry but that's how I see it.

What an interesting and valuable remark!

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George Flan

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Join date: 21 Sep 2005

Posts: 268

Government In SL???

01-11-2006 09:42

First, I work for the government, second, I have to deal with government rules and requlations on a daily basis in rl I go into SL to get away from all this. Sure we need a few rules, but what is SL coming too....

Burke Prefect

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01-11-2006 09:54

Make everything black and white, with Jerry Mathers as The Beaver!

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Desmond Shang

Guvnah of Caledon

Join date: 14 Mar 2005

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01-11-2006 10:01

From: Martin Magpie

Unless its enforceable its just RP. Sorry but that's how I see it.

Although I am still very interested in seeing how ppl run their gov't in SL and how it turns out for them.

Mar

The problem is this: the sim owner is pretty much stuck with being a 'king' or 'dictator'.

It's not roleplay when you can ban a tenant and return all their stuff. Pretty much all they have to go on is your prior integrity.

Of course people can now 'vote with their feet' and leave a land baron stuck with some heavy duty tier, so there is good incentive for reasonability on the land baron's part.

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SuezanneC Baskerville

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01-11-2006 13:54

My request for more information on previous discussion of the covenant idea in the forums has been answered one time.

I have read some remarks that made me think there is about to be a big change, that it is largely determined already, and I haven't seen any discussion of the idea at all.

Am I wrong about that?

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Siggy Romulus

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01-11-2006 14:04

Followed the link - read the names - giggled.

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Surreal Farber

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01-12-2006 09:18

From: Desmond Shang

The problem is this: the sim owner is pretty much stuck with being a 'king' or 'dictator'.

You may call me the Supreme Overlord!

I know this applies to Landlord sims, but I've got to say that I revel in being able to the despot in Chaos (well co-despot).

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Argent Stonecutter

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01-12-2006 10:30

From: Martin Magpie

Unless its enforceable its just RP.

For island sims it's already enforcable.

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SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	01-11-2006 06:10 I seem to be having trouble finding much info on the covenant idea that seems to be in development, can someone point me to where the information on this topic is? Hmm, if Second Life made changes that allowed people to live together in an atmosphere they find pleasant, would that be another example of cutting in on a developer's market, like Anshe, Prokofy, and others? _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Iron Perth Registered User Join date: 9 Mar 2005 Posts: 802	01-11-2006 07:26 Hey SuezanneC, Justice is working on this and it looks pretty interesting. /148/11/81865/1.html#post840896
Ulrika Zugzwang Magnanimous in Victory Join date: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 6,382	01-11-2006 07:35 Next comes the government. ~Ulrika~ _____________________ Chik-chik-chika-ahh
Kevn Klein God is Love! Join date: 5 Nov 2004 Posts: 3,422	01-11-2006 07:50 I would love to see a few sims with "city" streets connected to every driveway, and homes conforming to a standard. Something that would look like a typical neighborhood from the 1960's. A little park/community center in the middle would be nice, with a pool and BBQ area. Maybe a little main street for commercial use, conforming to the theme would be nice. Allowing only those who live in the sim to sell goods there. If it's run by LL that would be great, as politics would be reduced.
Chris Wilde Custom User Title Join date: 21 Jul 2004 Posts: 768	01-11-2006 08:09 From: Kevn Klein If it's run by LL that would be great, as politics would be reduced. There would still be alot of politics and drama if LL ran it. In fact I would venture to say if LL ran it, there would be delays in getting regulations enforced. _____________________
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	01-11-2006 08:13 The Covenant are coming? ... Someone get the Master Chief! (wop-wop-waaaaah!) _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Ulrika Zugzwang Magnanimous in Victory Join date: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 6,382	01-11-2006 08:57 From: Chris Wilde There would still be alot of politics and drama if LL ran it. In fact I would venture to say if LL ran it, there would be delays in getting regulations enforced. Correct. It shall be in control of users not Lindens. ~Ulrika~ _____________________ Chik-chik-chika-ahh
Desmond Shang Guvnah of Caledon Join date: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 5,250	01-11-2006 09:19 From: Ulrika Zugzwang Correct. It shall be in control of users not Lindens. ~Ulrika~ Ulrika, you were the harbinger and archetype of all of this. Are ye not just a wee bit proud? Personally I'm trying to find a system of government for my own upcoming sims that won't scare everyone off, but still provide the zoning they want. I've looked at Neualtenburg, and it has one major flaw that I can see: it requires a lot of participation to work well. I suspect I'll have a lot of tenants that could care less. _____________________ Steampunk Victorian, Well-Mannered Caledon!
Martin Magpie Catherine Cotton Join date: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 1,826	01-11-2006 09:22 From: Kevn Klein I would love to see a few sims with "city" streets connected to every driveway, and homes conforming to a standard. Something that would look like a typical neighborhood from the 1960's. A little park/community center in the middle would be nice, with a pool and BBQ area. Maybe a little main street for commercial use, conforming to the theme would be nice. Allowing only those who live in the sim to sell goods there. If it's run by LL that would be great, as politics would be reduced. mmmm yummy a dream of mine too Kevn _____________________
Martin Magpie Catherine Cotton Join date: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 1,826	01-11-2006 09:26 From: Ulrika Zugzwang Next comes the government. ~Ulrika~ Unless its enforceable its just RP. Sorry but that's how I see it. Although I am still very interested in seeing how ppl run their gov't in SL and how it turns out for them. Mar _____________________
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	01-11-2006 09:38 From: Martin Magpie Unless its enforceable its just RP. Sorry but that's how I see it. What an interesting and valuable remark! _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
George Flan Registered User Join date: 21 Sep 2005 Posts: 268	Government In SL??? 01-11-2006 09:42 First, I work for the government, second, I have to deal with government rules and requlations on a daily basis in rl I go into SL to get away from all this. Sure we need a few rules, but what is SL coming too....
Burke Prefect Cafe Owner, Superhero Join date: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 2,785	01-11-2006 09:54 Make everything black and white, with Jerry Mathers as The Beaver! _____________________ My Blog \| My Board \| My Cafe\| My Slex
Desmond Shang Guvnah of Caledon Join date: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 5,250	01-11-2006 10:01 From: Martin Magpie Unless its enforceable its just RP. Sorry but that's how I see it. Although I am still very interested in seeing how ppl run their gov't in SL and how it turns out for them. Mar The problem is this: the sim owner is pretty much stuck with being a 'king' or 'dictator'. It's not roleplay when you can ban a tenant and return all their stuff. Pretty much all they have to go on is your prior integrity. Of course people can now 'vote with their feet' and leave a land baron stuck with some heavy duty tier, so there is good incentive for reasonability on the land baron's part. _____________________ Steampunk Victorian, Well-Mannered Caledon!
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	01-11-2006 13:54 My request for more information on previous discussion of the covenant idea in the forums has been answered one time. I have read some remarks that made me think there is about to be a big change, that it is largely determined already, and I haven't seen any discussion of the idea at all. Am I wrong about that? _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Siggy Romulus DILLIGAF Join date: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 5,711	01-11-2006 14:04 Followed the link - read the names - giggled. (watches shotgun lower towards foot as they cue the loony tunes music) _____________________ The Second Life forums are living proof as to why it's illegal for people to have sex with farm animals. From: Jesse Linden I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
Surreal Farber Cat Herder Join date: 5 Feb 2004 Posts: 2,059	01-12-2006 09:18 From: Desmond Shang The problem is this: the sim owner is pretty much stuck with being a 'king' or 'dictator'. You may call me the Supreme Overlord! I know this applies to Landlord sims, but I've got to say that I revel in being able to the despot in Chaos (well co-despot). _____________________ Surreal Phobos 3d Design - putting the hot in psychotic since 2004 Come see our whole line of clothing, animations and accessories in Chaos (37, 198, 43)
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	01-12-2006 10:30 From: Martin Magpie Unless its enforceable its just RP. For island sims it's already enforcable.

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