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Claude Desmoulins

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Join date: 1 Nov 2005

Posts: 388

03-02-2006 21:35

The unedited March 1 RA transcript has been posted to the Neualtenburg wiki

Pelanor Eldrich

Let's make a deal...

Join date: 8 Feb 2006

Posts: 267

Voip?...

03-03-2006 12:18

Thanks for posting this Claude, you and Sudane do a pile of work to keep the gov't running. I realize you want the whole RA proceedings in SL itself as a general principle, but given that there is a 7 day email vote, why not use VOIP as an option? BTW I like the idea of standardizing on gmail using [email]first.last@gmail.com[/email] for avatar names.

Chat can be slow, free VOIP via Teamspeak, Skype or other application with chat as backup might get more discussion in. There would need to be a way to record the conference for transcription. Just a thought. The clerk/fastest VOIP typist could try to type out in real time what's being said for those with chat only.

Aliasi Stonebender

Return of Catbread

Join date: 30 Jan 2005

Posts: 1,858

03-03-2006 13:17

From: Pelanor Eldrich

Thanks for posting this Claude, you and Sudane do a pile of work to keep the gov't running. I realize you want the whole RA proceedings in SL itself as a general principle, but given that there is a 7 day email vote, why not use VOIP as an option? BTW I like the idea of standardizing on gmail using [email]first.last@gmail.com[/email] for avatar names.

Chat can be slow, free VOIP via Teamspeak, Skype or other application with chat as backup might get more discussion in. There would need to be a way to record the conference for transcription. Just a thought. The clerk/fastest VOIP typist could try to type out in real time what's being said for those with chat only.

I don't have a microphone, for one.

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Claude Desmoulins

Registered User

Join date: 1 Nov 2005

Posts: 388

03-03-2006 13:24

Even if all the members had skype and we could get a five way conference going, how would citizens and observers "listen"?

Pelanor Eldrich

Let's make a deal...

Join date: 8 Feb 2006

Posts: 267

Don't need a mic...

03-03-2006 20:08

You don't need a mic to listen. Any RA member without a mic could listen and just type when saying something...BTW a mic/headphone combo is less than $20USD at radioshack. I'll look into the recording options. Without recording, there's no way to make a transcript. Nothing stops all 28 citizens from listening in.

Aliasi Stonebender

Return of Catbread

Join date: 30 Jan 2005

Posts: 1,858

03-03-2006 20:38

From: Pelanor Eldrich

You don't need a mic to listen. Any RA member without a mic could listen and just type when saying something...BTW a mic/headphone combo is less than $20USD at radioshack. I'll look into the recording options. Without recording, there's no way to make a transcript. Nothing stops all 28 citizens from listening in.

The point is, it adds an undue burden on people, some of which are on connections that barely run SL as it is. Also - and a better reason - the nature of our discussions make the asynchronous discussion chat provides the better tool, in my opinion.

It is just MY opinion, though, so please, don't feel as if I'm soundly rejecting you. It's just, over time, the average RA meeting more resembles a Thinker's group chat with several lines of discussion going on at once, and that is something voice chat is poorly suited for (as opposed to straight-up one-on-one or one-to-many talking, where voice works better).

Also, my first inclination is always the smartass quip. It's a moral weakness.

_____________________

Red Mary says, softly, “How a man grows aggressive when his enemy displays propriety. He thinks: I will use this good behavior to enforce my advantage over her. Is it any wonder people hold good behavior in such disregard?”
Anything Surplus Home to the "Nuke the Crap Out of..." series of games and other stuff

Pelanor Eldrich

Let's make a deal...

Join date: 8 Feb 2006

Posts: 267

I understand...

03-04-2006 08:33

Those are excellent points Aliasi. I just thought I'd mention it. BTW the context here is "in addition to", not "instead of".

The technology might make better sense for a 1 on 1 conversation. An alternative I've seen is to have some of the debate offline via teamspeak and then use the RA session to vote and report out. I've seen this in county commissions and I don't particularly like the lack of transparency, but it might be doable if the recording is available.

BTW thanks for the wonderful Chinese temple. I have the best looking plot in Shermerville now.

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Claude Desmoulins Registered User Join date: 1 Nov 2005 Posts: 388	03-02-2006 21:35 The unedited March 1 RA transcript has been posted to the Neualtenburg wiki
Pelanor Eldrich Let's make a deal... Join date: 8 Feb 2006 Posts: 267	Voip?... 03-03-2006 12:18 Thanks for posting this Claude, you and Sudane do a pile of work to keep the gov't running. I realize you want the whole RA proceedings in SL itself as a general principle, but given that there is a 7 day email vote, why not use VOIP as an option? BTW I like the idea of standardizing on gmail using [email]first.last@gmail.com[/email] for avatar names. Chat can be slow, free VOIP via Teamspeak, Skype or other application with chat as backup might get more discussion in. There would need to be a way to record the conference for transcription. Just a thought. The clerk/fastest VOIP typist could try to type out in real time what's being said for those with chat only.
Aliasi Stonebender Return of Catbread Join date: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1,858	03-03-2006 13:17 From: Pelanor Eldrich Thanks for posting this Claude, you and Sudane do a pile of work to keep the gov't running. I realize you want the whole RA proceedings in SL itself as a general principle, but given that there is a 7 day email vote, why not use VOIP as an option? BTW I like the idea of standardizing on gmail using [email]first.last@gmail.com[/email] for avatar names. Chat can be slow, free VOIP via Teamspeak, Skype or other application with chat as backup might get more discussion in. There would need to be a way to record the conference for transcription. Just a thought. The clerk/fastest VOIP typist could try to type out in real time what's being said for those with chat only. I don't have a microphone, for one. _____________________ Red Mary says, softly, “How a man grows aggressive when his enemy displays propriety. He thinks: I will use this good behavior to enforce my advantage over her. Is it any wonder people hold good behavior in such disregard?” Anything Surplus Home to the "Nuke the Crap Out of..." series of games and other stuff
Claude Desmoulins Registered User Join date: 1 Nov 2005 Posts: 388	03-03-2006 13:24 Even if all the members had skype and we could get a five way conference going, how would citizens and observers "listen"?
Pelanor Eldrich Let's make a deal... Join date: 8 Feb 2006 Posts: 267	Don't need a mic... 03-03-2006 20:08 You don't need a mic to listen. Any RA member without a mic could listen and just type when saying something...BTW a mic/headphone combo is less than $20USD at radioshack. I'll look into the recording options. Without recording, there's no way to make a transcript. Nothing stops all 28 citizens from listening in.
Aliasi Stonebender Return of Catbread Join date: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1,858	03-03-2006 20:38 From: Pelanor Eldrich You don't need a mic to listen. Any RA member without a mic could listen and just type when saying something...BTW a mic/headphone combo is less than $20USD at radioshack. I'll look into the recording options. Without recording, there's no way to make a transcript. Nothing stops all 28 citizens from listening in. The point is, it adds an undue burden on people, some of which are on connections that barely run SL as it is. Also - and a better reason - the nature of our discussions make the asynchronous discussion chat provides the better tool, in my opinion. It is just MY opinion, though, so please, don't feel as if I'm soundly rejecting you. It's just, over time, the average RA meeting more resembles a Thinker's group chat with several lines of discussion going on at once, and that is something voice chat is poorly suited for (as opposed to straight-up one-on-one or one-to-many talking, where voice works better). Also, my first inclination is always the smartass quip. It's a moral weakness. _____________________ Red Mary says, softly, “How a man grows aggressive when his enemy displays propriety. He thinks: I will use this good behavior to enforce my advantage over her. Is it any wonder people hold good behavior in such disregard?” Anything Surplus Home to the "Nuke the Crap Out of..." series of games and other stuff
Pelanor Eldrich Let's make a deal... Join date: 8 Feb 2006 Posts: 267	I understand... 03-04-2006 08:33 Those are excellent points Aliasi. I just thought I'd mention it. BTW the context here is "in addition to", not "instead of". The technology might make better sense for a 1 on 1 conversation. An alternative I've seen is to have some of the debate offline via teamspeak and then use the RA session to vote and report out. I've seen this in county commissions and I don't particularly like the lack of transparency, but it might be doable if the recording is available. BTW thanks for the wonderful Chinese temple. I have the best looking plot in Shermerville now.

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