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Neualtenburg TOS Review - Part I - What is Neualtenburg?

Dianne Mechanique
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02-19-2006 09:22
I have been looking at the Nburg TOS and (just to get technical for a second), it contains a lot of weird junk! :o

The following is the first of a series of musings over making some changes to the language, (which would be done through the normal channels of ammendments bills etc.), and I want feedback please. :)

Sooo.. to start at the beginning...

Neualtenburg definition:

At the top of the TOS there is that legal dealie where the names used in the contract are defined and then the bracketed version indicates thats the term the "contract" will use for the remainder of the document. It says that there is:

- "The Neualtenburg Projekt, Inc." (Neualtenburg)
- "land cooperative" (Cooperative)
- "in-world government" (Government)

The language there implies that there is a legal entity (a corporation of sorts) known as "Neualtenburg" that exists in RL, that the co-operative belongs to (is owned by?) this company, and that the Government belongs to the co-operative. Is this a real legal entity? Or is this just bafflegab? This just confuses me and I honestly just want to be informed of the legal status. If by agreeing to the TOS one is entering into a contract, the principles must be clearly defined, and the TOS certainly reads like it thinks it's a contract.

In various places in the document, (although defined as referring to the "parent company" at the beginning), "Neaultenburg" is also used seemingly synonymously with "the City" but sometimes it also seems like it refers to "the cooperative."

Not only does that useage have to be cleared up, it seems to me that the many references in the TOS to "the City" specifically leave out everything outside the walls (just sayin). The majority of the time, the TOS kind of refers to "Neualtenburg" as "the City" and not as a corporation/cooperative/state.

Also, since we might have extra sims soon and are thinking of entering into "protectorate" agreements with other "states" (sims?), it seems like defining ourselves as a "City" is doubly problematic.

At points in the TOS, "Neualtenburg" as a term also seems to be describing the physical simulator that we live in in stead of a corporation/cooperative/state, but at one point it refers to the "Neualtenburg colllection of sims." Is Neualtenburg the actual sim at that point? If it's something else, then what is the sim called? What would the next sim be called?

I suggest that beyond knowing clearly what "The Neualtenburg Projekt, Inc." really is (it's structure), we need to change some of our labels and terms that we throw around internally. Perhaps "the City" is more rightly "the State?" Or if "the State" is synonymous with the corporation/cooperative/state, then shouldn't the simulator be called something else?

I find all this very confusing. :)

I know its mostly just terminology, but since this is a contract, I think it should be crystal clear as to what we are talking about. Mostly what I would like to see here is someone who was in on things at the founding of Neualtenburg to jump in and clearly state what the structure is. It's more about making a clear explanation of that structure and the labels we are putting on things, than changing anything.
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Pelanor Eldrich
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Join date: 8 Feb 2006
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Yes, more clarity required...
02-19-2006 12:15
First of all, I don't believe we really need any articles of corporation or co-op agreement in RL. I'd like NB to stay exclusively an SL entity. Just too ponderous and expensive to do RL stuff unless it starts earning about $20k+ USD annual income. Maybe some simple definitions would help.

Neualtenberg describes a co-operative city-state simulation in Secondlife bounded by the following in-world co-ordinates:__________________. Neualtenburg is governed in Secondlife by a government defined in the NB constitution. The authority of Linden Labs supercedes the government of NB for matters occuring in-world. Citizens of Neualtenburg agree to abide by the terms and conditions (ToS) outlined in this document.

What are your views about NB?
Aliasi Stonebender
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02-19-2006 12:53
The idea of "Neualtenburg Project, Inc." was one of Ulrika's more optimistic ideas. No such entity formally exists.

A lot of the weirder language seems to be an artifact of largely being copy-pasted from the Second Life TOS, I seem to recall being told. With the new estate covenants on the horizon, it's possible the Neualtenburg TOS will find itself being largely obsolete, at least in an SL context.
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Kazuhiko Shirakawa
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($nburgTOS = $slTOS) =~ s/Linden Lab/Neualtenburg/g
02-19-2006 23:53
From: Aliasi Stonebender
A lot of the weirder language seems to be an artifact of largely being copy-pasted from the Second Life TOS, I seem to recall being told.

I'll believe that quite readily; a fair bit of the language seemed fairly familiar when I first read over the N'burg TOS. (And IIRC in one place whoever drew up the copy I had found had even forgotten to change "Linden Lab" to "Neualtenburg".)