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Claude Desmoulins

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03-09-2006 13:17

Article V Section 2 says, in part:

From: someone

Citizens may not serve simultaneously in the Representative and
Philosophic branch.

The question is this---

When someone leaves the SC to join the RA (think Flyingroc here) is it a leave of absence or a resignation?

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03-09-2006 13:41

From: Claude Desmoulins

Article V Section 2 says, in part:

The question is this---

When someone leaves the SC to join the RA (think Flyingroc here) is it a leave of absence or a resignation?

A leave of absence is exactly it. You cannot serve in two branches simultaneously, which has been defined in the past as "holding a voting role". However, you remain a member of that branch, and should your committment to one branch end, you may resume service in the other branch if applicable. This largely applies to the lifetime appointments of the SC, since "serving" in the Guild is limited to voting for Guildmaster, or actually being Guildmaster.

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Claude Desmoulins

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03-09-2006 14:03

But nowhere in the constitution does it say that SC appointments are permanent. That's the case in practice. However consider the following:

The SC has a constitutional limit of nine chairs. Imagine that it's full. member X steps off to serve on RA for a term or two or three.... Does the SC operate short a chair during that absence or can they appoint a temporary replacement who serves until X returns? If the answer is, "operate short a member", how will that work with specific chairs being responsible for oversight of particular areas (criminal/civil/commercial/etc.) If member X heads the criminal court, how will the court's work get done during his or her absence?

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03-09-2006 14:36

From: Claude Desmoulins

But nowhere in the constitution does it say that SC appointments are permanent. That's the case in practice. However consider the following:

The SC has a constitutional limit of nine chairs. Imagine that it's full. member X steps off to serve on RA for a term or two or three.... Does the SC operate short a chair during that absence or can they appoint a temporary replacement who serves until X returns? If the answer is, "operate short a member", how will that work with specific chairs being responsible for oversight of particular areas (criminal/civil/commercial/etc.) If member X heads the criminal court, how will the court's work get done during his or her absence?

Ah, that. Again, that counts as "service" - you can be a chair, OR you can be on another branch, but (at least as has been practiced) this does not remove your basic membership in the SC as a professor.

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Claude Desmoulins

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03-09-2006 19:54

Ok. Then these questions follow on:

Is the RA expected to vette all SC members, or just chairs.

If the answer to the above is "just chairs", can SC member move from Porfessor to Chair and back without any approval from the RA?

If we accept that SC membership is permanent, is the position as a chair as well or do people rotate on and off?

Once additional courts are created, are the chairs themselves the first court to hear constitutional claims, or is there a separate constitutional court staffed with professors, making the chairs strictly an appellate body?

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Claude Desmoulins Registered User Join date: 1 Nov 2005 Posts: 388	03-09-2006 13:17 Article V Section 2 says, in part: From: someone Citizens may not serve simultaneously in the Representative and Philosophic branch. The question is this--- When someone leaves the SC to join the RA (think Flyingroc here) is it a leave of absence or a resignation?
Aliasi Stonebender Return of Catbread Join date: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1,858	03-09-2006 13:41 From: Claude Desmoulins Article V Section 2 says, in part: The question is this--- When someone leaves the SC to join the RA (think Flyingroc here) is it a leave of absence or a resignation? A leave of absence is exactly it. You cannot serve in two branches simultaneously, which has been defined in the past as "holding a voting role". However, you remain a member of that branch, and should your committment to one branch end, you may resume service in the other branch if applicable. This largely applies to the lifetime appointments of the SC, since "serving" in the Guild is limited to voting for Guildmaster, or actually being Guildmaster. _____________________ Red Mary says, softly, “How a man grows aggressive when his enemy displays propriety. He thinks: I will use this good behavior to enforce my advantage over her. Is it any wonder people hold good behavior in such disregard?” Anything Surplus Home to the "Nuke the Crap Out of..." series of games and other stuff
Claude Desmoulins Registered User Join date: 1 Nov 2005 Posts: 388	03-09-2006 14:03 But nowhere in the constitution does it say that SC appointments are permanent. That's the case in practice. However consider the following: The SC has a constitutional limit of nine chairs. Imagine that it's full. member X steps off to serve on RA for a term or two or three.... Does the SC operate short a chair during that absence or can they appoint a temporary replacement who serves until X returns? If the answer is, "operate short a member", how will that work with specific chairs being responsible for oversight of particular areas (criminal/civil/commercial/etc.) If member X heads the criminal court, how will the court's work get done during his or her absence?
Aliasi Stonebender Return of Catbread Join date: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1,858	03-09-2006 14:36 From: Claude Desmoulins But nowhere in the constitution does it say that SC appointments are permanent. That's the case in practice. However consider the following: The SC has a constitutional limit of nine chairs. Imagine that it's full. member X steps off to serve on RA for a term or two or three.... Does the SC operate short a chair during that absence or can they appoint a temporary replacement who serves until X returns? If the answer is, "operate short a member", how will that work with specific chairs being responsible for oversight of particular areas (criminal/civil/commercial/etc.) If member X heads the criminal court, how will the court's work get done during his or her absence? Ah, that. Again, that counts as "service" - you can be a chair, OR you can be on another branch, but (at least as has been practiced) this does not remove your basic membership in the SC as a professor. _____________________ Red Mary says, softly, “How a man grows aggressive when his enemy displays propriety. He thinks: I will use this good behavior to enforce my advantage over her. Is it any wonder people hold good behavior in such disregard?” Anything Surplus Home to the "Nuke the Crap Out of..." series of games and other stuff
Claude Desmoulins Registered User Join date: 1 Nov 2005 Posts: 388	03-09-2006 19:54 Ok. Then these questions follow on: Is the RA expected to vette all SC members, or just chairs. If the answer to the above is "just chairs", can SC member move from Porfessor to Chair and back without any approval from the RA? If we accept that SC membership is permanent, is the position as a chair as well or do people rotate on and off? Once additional courts are created, are the chairs themselves the first court to hear constitutional claims, or is there a separate constitutional court staffed with professors, making the chairs strictly an appellate body?