Neualtenburg RA Meeting Log from 09-11-05
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Pendari Lorentz
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09-12-2005 07:59
AGENDA (inserted Notecards at bottom of Log - future logs will have this at beginning) : Neualtenburg RA Meeting Agenda September 11th, 2005 * Notecard detailing RA Meeting Procedures 1. Submit requests to Guild for the following Builds: MoCA and Re-vamped Rathaus * Notecard detailing RA Request for Guild Build Proposals 2. Advertising for EXPO Status and What further to do 3. Neualtenburg Currency Proposal * Notecard detailing Neualtenburg Currency Proposal 4. Neualtenburg Second Life Community Convention Sponsor Plots * Notecard detailing Current Info on SLCC Sponsor Plots 5. Proposal for Neualtenburg to enter State of Play Design Contest * Notecard that gave information from the State of Play Website http://www.nyls.edu/pages/3818.asp6. Rental Chalets during Holiday Season * Notecard detailing Proposal for Rental Chalets during Holiday Season ========== Object-Name: notetaker beta 2Region: Neualtenburg (246528, 249600) Local-Position: (174, 168, 172) Meeting on 2005-09-11 Those present: Pendari Lorentz is in the chair. Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*Sudane Erato: recorder startedPendari Lorentz: welcome fellow RA members =)Sudane Erato: :)Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you :)Satchmo Prototype: :)Gwyneth Llewelyn: We have left out one item from the biiig agenda...Pendari Lorentz: Since the vote was unanimous to accept the proposed RA procedures for Meetings, I have included a copy in the Agenda for review if neededPendari Lorentz: what's that Gwyneth?Gwyneth Llewelyn: Which was our entry to the contest for the "german WA". or did I miss that?Sudane Erato: oh!Gwyneth Llewelyn: I forget what the deadline for that is.Gwyneth Llewelyn: Perhaps it's already too late :PPendari Lorentz: ahh.. hmm.. yes.. lets put that with the other Contest item as wellSudane Erato: i don't knowPendari Lorentz: The Guild has been working on the German BidGwyneth Llewelyn: (checking :) )Pendari Lorentz: but I'm not certain about it eitherSudane Erato: thats great!Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah forget itPendari Lorentz: we would most likely need something from Kendra on status before we could really talk about it anyway. If that makes sense?Gwyneth Llewelyn: Deadline was August 26thPendari Lorentz: ahPendari Lorentz: lolSudane Erato: oh wellPendari Lorentz: oh well :-(Gwyneth Llewelyn: Unless there was an "extension"Gwyneth Llewelyn: We'll talk to Kendra about it.Pendari Lorentz: yes.. that sounds goodGwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, so, back to the "first" item :)Sudane Erato: sureGwyneth Llewelyn: Do we need any discussion on that?Pendari Lorentz: Ok. The first item on the agenda deals with our final wording that we want to submit to the guild for the two builds we approved as needed for the citySudane Erato: well, you had said you'd like to change a few things...Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah. That's the 2nd item, lolPendari Lorentz: if no one has an issue with that wording, I can drop Kendra the notecardSudane Erato: but that it was ok for nowPendari Lorentz: what's that Gwyneth?Gwyneth Llewelyn: As I said before, I had some questions & issues on the proposal for the meetingsGwyneth Llewelyn: But I'll postpone those questions & issuesGwyneth Llewelyn: :)Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, ok, this is the point before point 1.Sudane Erato: you can draft a correcting proposal :)Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry. This *is* a bit confusing!Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Sudane - I agree. And sorry, PenPendari Lorentz: ah.. yes! Ok. We had adapted the procedures. But yes, we also agreed we could re-vist the procedure. I would motion that any ideas we may have, put them in a notecard and we can submit it for a future agenda proposalSudane Erato: i agreeGwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed. And anyway, I wished to have those procedures be field-tested *before* I make any comments on them :)Sudane Erato: that makes sensePendari Lorentz: yes. I think that is a good idea tooGwyneth Llewelyn: The comments may not make any sense if we find out that everything works well :)Sudane Erato: :)Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, on the "re-vamped Rathaus" item, I have absolutely nothing to add/change.Gwyneth Llewelyn: One "aye" on that submission to Kendra. :)Sudane Erato: yes, i agree on that tooGwyneth Llewelyn: Now, the MoCA....Pendari Lorentz: I remember your concerns about conditions you wanted for the MoCA Gwyneth. Is there something you want added?Gwyneth Llewelyn: The *only* issue I have is with the following sentence: "The RA will also encourage the formation of a "MoCA Management" (MoCAM) group, composed in the majority of citizens of Neualtenburg"Gwyneth Llewelyn: No.Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just clarify that point.Gwyneth Llewelyn: As you know, the SDF is reluctant to have "outsiders" running the Museum.Sudane Erato: ahhhhPendari Lorentz: ahhSudane Erato: I was concerned that we would not have enough interest among the citizensGwyneth Llewelyn: And also, I would like the Guild to have the "first pick" of the MoCAMSudane Erato: at the same time it must be controlled by the citizensPendari Lorentz: but would not they become citizens of Neualt by "working" in the city?Gwyneth Llewelyn: If the Guild feels they don't want to run it, well then, it's up for the citizensSudane Erato: noGwyneth Llewelyn: And no, penSudane Erato: only landowners are citizens nowGwyneth Llewelyn: Your concerns are very valid, though, Sudane :)Pendari Lorentz: hmm.. the constitution states that someone working in the city can be a citizenPendari Lorentz: bah!Sudane Erato: heheSudane Erato: well..Pendari Lorentz: *reserves constitution discussion for now* heheSudane Erato: yet another contradictionGwyneth Llewelyn: But the Constitution does not say that the citizen becomes automatically one :)Sudane Erato: :)Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes lol, PenGwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway, it's just a question of principle.Gwyneth Llewelyn: I don't oppose having non-citizens in Neualtenburg's "official" thingies...Gwyneth Llewelyn: ButGwyneth Llewelyn: In that case, we need to define the status of "tourists"Pendari Lorentz: hehe.. ok.. that was my misunderstand for now.. but yes, I agree if they are not citizens, it is not as great an idea, but I also agree with Sudane that there may not be enough intrest withinSudane Erato: well... we should have some statement that goes to the guuildGwyneth Llewelyn: ie. "visiting non-citizens" who also participate.Sudane Erato: okSudane Erato: thats goodGwyneth Llewelyn: That is one for the Constitution revision, I think.Sudane Erato: yesPendari Lorentz: yesGwyneth Llewelyn: Or eventually it could be a "Bill of Rights" for non-citizensGwyneth Llewelyn: they would get a notecard when teleporting inPendari Lorentz: interesting idea!Gwyneth Llewelyn: the RA could propose thatGwyneth Llewelyn: see if the SC agreesSudane Erato: defining citizenship was always to be one of your projects, Gwyn :)Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, lol, Sudane - very true :-DSudane Erato: :)Gwyneth Llewelyn: SoPendari Lorentz: ok. motion to put that proposal discussion on next RA AgendaGwyneth Llewelyn: Two changes on that wording:Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1) that the Guild is allowed first to set up the MoCAM itselfGwyneth Llewelyn: let's give them, say, 2 weeks to get back to us with their approval or notGwyneth Llewelyn: If after 2 weeks they don't say they'll run the museum...Gwyneth Llewelyn: We'll post in the forums that all are welcome to become the MoCAMSudane Erato: oooohGwyneth Llewelyn: 2) that only citizens are allowedSudane Erato: that makes me anxiousGwyneth Llewelyn: anxious? :)Sudane Erato: posting in the forumsGwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, lolPendari Lorentz: heheSudane Erato: heheGwyneth Llewelyn: Well, we need to tell people about the MoCAMSudane Erato: trueGwyneth Llewelyn: BTW - I have a suggestion for "non-citizens" in the MoCAMSudane Erato: I love word of mouthPendari Lorentz: well.. first we need to get the proposal from the guildGwyneth Llewelyn: Let's propose the non-citizens as "honourable citizens" :)Sudane Erato: hmmmSudane Erato: off topic :)Gwyneth Llewelyn: That way, we sidestep the issue heheGwyneth Llewelyn: NoGwyneth Llewelyn: What I mean is, I'm really against having non-citizens running the MoCAMPendari Lorentz: before we can vote on what the guild proposes. They may very well propose someone else leading the MoCAM from the get goGwyneth Llewelyn: But since it would take time to agree on other "status" - tourist, resident, etcSudane Erato: thats rightGwyneth Llewelyn: OkSudane Erato: better just to say citizens onlyPendari Lorentz: so we really need to get this to them, so we can see what they want as wellSatchmo Prototype: yea, start with citizen onlySudane Erato: yes pen Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*Satchmo Prototype: then loosen the policy if we have troublesSudane Erato: ok..Pendari Lorentz: this is not our final vote on the status of the MoCA =)Sudane Erato: yesGwyneth Llewelyn: I agree :)Gwyneth Llewelyn: And yes, Pen.Pendari Lorentz: yes Satch. I like thatSatchmo Prototype: I'd prefer outsiders buy a plot in Neualt and live here as well :)Gwyneth Llewelyn: Of course :DSudane Erato: yes exactlyGwyneth Llewelyn: So, can we agree on those two changes, and then submit the revised notecard to Kendra?Pendari Lorentz: ok. So the wording that we are submitting to the Guild on the MoCA (to gather their proposal). What should be added and where?Pendari Lorentz: yesPendari Lorentz: how about you email them GwynethPendari Lorentz: so that we can see the full thing. To make it easierGwyneth Llewelyn: Add a line: "The Guild will have the first choice of setting up the MoCAM if they wish"Satchmo Prototype: But one thingGwyneth Llewelyn: and delete the half-sentence of "a majority of citizens" to be replaced with "of citizens"Sudane Erato: sounds goodSatchmo Prototype: if we are gonna have any sort of performance metrics tied to the lease for commercial companyies, like...Satchmo Prototype: if you get XYZ dwell your lease is automatically renewedSatchmo Prototype: else it will be open for bidSudane Erato: satch, be nice to work towarsd thatGwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, I like that :) hehePendari Lorentz: Ok. I'll have to copy that from the meeting log and I'll send out an email that shows the entire paragraph with the changes. Because I can't visualize it while we are meetingSatchmo Prototype: then that should hold true for the Guild as wellGwyneth Llewelyn: (that's fine, Pen :) )Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah Satchmo - I agree as well on that!Sudane Erato: oooh, that would be tough to impose on themGwyneth Llewelyn: Oh no!Gwyneth Llewelyn: It wouldn't be tough, it would be fair.Sudane Erato: trueSatchmo Prototype: you know, we shouldn't have the guild runnign a business just to have a businessSudane Erato: hehe... but tough to doSatchmo Prototype: the business here need to generate dewll and revenuePendari Lorentz: I motion that you submit that as a proposal for discussion at the next RA Meeting SatchmoGwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, lol - yes, I agree :)Sudane Erato: yes!Gwyneth Llewelyn: "What the RA giveth, the RA taketh away" :)Satchmo Prototype: okie dokieSudane Erato: heheSatchmo Prototype: I'm on it PenPendari Lorentz: I think it would be a great thing to discuss =)Sudane Erato: yesGwyneth Llewelyn: heheGwyneth Llewelyn: I'll be very interested in watching those metrics ;)Gwyneth Llewelyn: Shall we move on?Satchmo Prototype: ayePendari Lorentz: ok. first item on agenda Summary and Action: Reveamped Rathaus wording approved. MoCA wording will be added to as per suggested. This will be emailed out to RA memebers before being submitted to the Guild. Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*Sudane Erato: yes, greatPendari Lorentz: second itemPendari Lorentz: what have any of us done to advertise for the EXPO?Pendari Lorentz: lolPendari Lorentz: *blush*Sudane Erato: hehe Gwyneth Llewelyn coversSatchmo Prototype: :/Gwyneth Llewelyn: I could give my old excuse of this having been an unusually tough week ;)Sudane Erato: :)Gwyneth Llewelyn: Which is also true - but an excuse nevertheless heheGwyneth Llewelyn: WellGwyneth Llewelyn: Does any of you have logos or a notecard on the Expo?Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll start putting "ads" in all the events I run,.Sudane Erato: we should all have the posters Kendra didPendari Lorentz: I would like to do a massive advertising frenzy starting tomorrow. As the EXPO is next week. Kendra submitted a list on the forums of what will be at the Expo. Would someone volunteer to put that announcement in a notecard and create a sign for the expo
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Pendari Lorentz
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09-12-2005 08:00
Pendari Lorentz: that we can start putting out? Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kendra *has* a sign :P Sudane Erato: when really does it start? Gwyneth Llewelyn: 13th Sudane Erato: theres confusion on that Pendari Lorentz: well.. there you go :-p but we need a sign too. hehe.. Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh? Pendari Lorentz: the 12th Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Gwyneth Llewelyn: indeed, confusion :) Pendari Lorentz: hmm Sudane Erato: I thought the 10th Pendari Lorentz: hehe Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl Pendari Lorentz: LOL Sudane Erato: hehe Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh my. Gwyneth Llewelyn: (checking Kendra's post) Sudane Erato: the birthday is the 12th, tomorrow Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good point. Satchmo Prototype: Expo starts tomorrow Satchmo Prototype: ? Pendari Lorentz: Ok. RA Homework. Confirm date and know it by tomorrow. We need signs. If Kendra has one, she needs to give us a copy. Or we need to make our own. But it does the RA no good to not have access to the advertising materials we need :-( Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed :-( Pendari Lorentz: woah.. tomorrow? Pendari Lorentz: that can't be right can it? Pendari Lorentz: I thought it was next week :-( Satchmo Prototype: me to.. but tomorrow is the 12th Pendari Lorentz: err, meaning.. after next week Pendari Lorentz: weekend Gwyneth Llewelyn: First post of Kendra: "WE know it's Sept 16 thru the 24th" Pendari Lorentz: Ok Pendari Lorentz: whew Sudane Erato: ahhh, ok :) Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Pendari Lorentz: Ok. We need the sign from Kendra to pass out. But we can also make our own. Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, shall we announce it for 16th - 24th then? Pendari Lorentz: yes Gwyn Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok. Sudane Erato: yes Pendari Lorentz: that is the same list post where Kendra details some of the happenings of the Expo Gwyneth Llewelyn: (I *have* claimed a tent, btw :) Only did it yesterday, though) Gwyneth Llewelyn: And yes, pen. Sudane Erato: i saw :) Sudane Erato: the Gwyn tent :) Pendari Lorentz: I'll be happy to post in the Forums about the event. and I'll be happy to post the individual event times as soon as someone gets me that information Sudane Erato: I'm not sure anyone has that info Pendari Lorentz: right Pendari Lorentz: I will have to get that from Kendra Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, Kendra suggests a few events. Satchmo Prototype: and people selling things shoudl post product announcements in the forums Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll be adding a few as well. Satchmo Prototype: I plan on doing that for my stuff Sudane Erato: ahhh yes Pendari Lorentz: there is no way to advertise if things are not organized =) Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm, good idea, Satchmo :) Sudane Erato: :) Pendari Lorentz: that's fine Satch! Pendari Lorentz: who wants to get the sign from Kendra that we can start putting around? =) Pendari Lorentz: and does it have in it the info that is in her post on the forums? Gwyneth Llewelyn: (IMing Kendra now) Pendari Lorentz: if not.. we need to get that in there with a notecard giver Sudane Erato: yes Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kendra is on her way :) Sudane Erato: great! Pendari Lorentz: oh good! =) Gwyneth Llewelyn: :D Pendari Lorentz: Should we put an ad in some of the ad signs that people do in SL? Gwyneth Llewelyn: telehubs or metaadverse? Pendari Lorentz: the Metadvert or something? Gwyneth Llewelyn: telehubs are free Sudane Erato: does that pay? Gwyneth Llewelyn: although nobody sees them, LOL Sudane Erato: there are too many Sudane Erato: and you always rush out Pendari Lorentz: yes. I can do the hubs one.. but advertising there is not the best.. but since it is free, it can't hurt =) Satchmo Prototype: we should do a snapzilla photojournalism campaign of it the day it starts Sudane Erato: so as not to be conked on the head Satchmo Prototype: snapzilla is good for word of mouth Satchmo Prototype: and it's free Pendari Lorentz: very good idea Satch Sudane Erato: yes Pendari Lorentz: it won't be on the second life website at all.. because we are a mature sim.. but it *will* be able to be on Snapzilla =) Gwyneth Llewelyn: I like that :) Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh? Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm Pendari Lorentz: yes.. they only pull pictures for the home page that originate in PG sims Gwyneth Llewelyn: Who had the silly idea to get us a Mature sim? :-D Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL Sudane Erato: hehe Pendari Lorentz: hehe.. it wasn't me.. but I would have begged for one =) Sudane Erato: seems like everyone went that way :) Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just joking, Pen :) Pendari Lorentz: lol Pendari Lorentz: it is so we can dance naked in the fountain Pendari Lorentz: *wink* Sudane Erato: after all, we are Mature, now, aren't we? Gwyneth Llewelyn: aah lol Gwyneth Llewelyn *shakes head* Pendari Lorentz: hehe Gwyneth Llewelyn: Talking of which... Gwyneth Llewelyn: Someone is "testing" the fountain :) Pendari Lorentz: cool! Sudane Erato: I hear Pendari Lorentz: you hear? Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes :) Gwyneth Llewelyn: probably Bond :) Pendari Lorentz: I don't hear anything :-( Pendari Lorentz: oh.. would help to put my headphones on :-p Pendari Lorentz: *blush* Gwyneth Llewelyn: awww rofl Pendari Lorentz: ok. is Kendra close? should we wait or come back to this item? Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs* Sudane Erato: she's here Her words: (via Gwyneth Llewelyn) "Kendra Bancroft: be right there" Pendari Lorentz: haha.. speak of the devil! Gwyneth Llewelyn: And there she is, true to her own words, lol Sudane Erato: hehe Gwyneth Llewelyn: Welcome Kendra :) Pendari Lorentz: hey Kendra =) Pendari Lorentz: *wave* Gwyneth Llewelyn: She's still headbanging on the door Kendra Bancroft: Hey Gwyneth Llewelyn: You're welcome to come *in* Kendra :) Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Pendari Lorentz: lol Sudane Erato: hehe Pendari Lorentz: me thinks she is a wee bit laggy Sudane Erato: yes Satchmo Prototype: but we like her anyway Sudane Erato: :) Pendari Lorentz: haha Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I can understand *that* Gwyneth Llewelyn: In the last few days, SL has lagged a bit more than usual to me :P Pendari Lorentz: :-( Gwyneth Llewelyn: I've spent the morning tweaking my Mac, but to no avail. Still only 3-4 fps in Neualtenburg, except outside the city walls... Pendari Lorentz: wow Satchmo Prototype: are we pausing the agenda? Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kendra - turn 90 degrees to your left, go two steps, and you're here :) Kendra Bancroft: just keep talkin' Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol ok Sudane Erato: hehe Gwyneth Llewelyn: We're good at that :) Pendari Lorentz: Ok. Kendra. Mainly we need from you a sign we can put out about the EXPO. that has a notecard giver in it with details about the EXPO Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* Sudane Erato: yes Pendari Lorentz: I thought your post summary on the forums was good for details =) Kendra Bancroft: why not use the expo poster I made? Gwyneth Llewelyn: Also, I think that the best way to go around this is to have all people interested in a tent to contact Kendra directly. Pendari Lorentz: that's fine! we just need copies of it.. and to be able to modify it so we can put a notecard inside Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes - that would be great, kendra :) Drop it on our profile :) Sudane Erato: thats what i've been telling people Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Pendari Lorentz: yes.. if you are interested in a tent.. contact Kendra. Sudane Erato: yes Kendra Bancroft: what the bloody hell is up wuth this door? Pendari Lorentz: we are beating you with it Gwyneth Llewelyn: hahaha Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wow! Gwyneth Llewelyn: You did it, Kendra! Sudane Erato: yea! Kendra Bancroft: I'm gonna cry Sudane Erato: no :( Pendari Lorentz: Ok. If you can drop a modable copy of the sign on us Kendra, we can then get a notecard together and put a notecard giver into the sign Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww no Pendari Lorentz: don't cry :-( Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm well Gwyneth Llewelyn: Should we go on? Sudane Erato: sure Pendari Lorentz: Agenda Item Summary and Action: Get details of EXPO into a sign (provided by Kendra) and make sign ready to be distributed by Mon Sept 12th. Other advertising actions to be done individually. Sudane Erato: great! Kendra Bancroft: we really need to fix this lag in the marktplatz Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Pen Pendari Lorentz: /nod Kendra Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah yes, kendra Gwyneth Llewelyn: We should :) Pendari Lorentz: Ok. 3rd agenda item. Neualtenburg Currency Proposal Sudane Erato: so next? Sudane Erato: yes Gwyneth Llewelyn: Here we go... hehehehe Sudane Erato: well.. is there the feeling we need tgo change? Sudane Erato: we are suffering badly Sudane Erato: from the exchange rate Gwyneth Llewelyn: Everybody is :) Sudane Erato: right now its 287 to the dollar Kendra Bancroft: wouldn't it be just a simple matter of fixing the linden amount to the US amount? By adjusting to the average GOM price? Gwyneth Llewelyn: Uggh Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, but we have to vote on that. Sudane Erato: the issue is that we fixed once in June Kendra Bancroft: why? The amount was always based on US payments Sudane Erato: then, how often do we re-fix Pendari Lorentz: My only real issue with the proposal is the fact that it means we have to make sure the website is updated with the new info ASAP each month. Not sure Ulrika will always be available Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes. Sudane Erato: once a week Sudane Erato: or once a year Kendra Bancroft: the fact that we allowed linden opayments without adjusting was an overight on our part --not a bill Sudane Erato: the website should not be a problem Gwyneth Llewelyn: Thus, Sudane proposed (I think it was you, Sudane) that we only change it once every month. Kendra Bancroft: it should be adjusted every mponth Sudane Erato: no Kendra... we did have an adjustment Sudane Erato: it just hasnt been changed Sudane Erato: thats the issue Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh Sudane Erato: my proposal suggests once a month as well Kendra Bancroft: But we neer voted to fix that adjustment Gwyneth Llewelyn: You mean the prices charged in L$ are not the ones shown at the Website right now? Sudane Erato: no Pendari Lorentz: I think adjusting it monthly only makes sense. We need to keep in step with the world economy I would think (SL world that is) Satchmo Prototype: I think the Linden value should be changed on teh first to reflect a hard US$ amount with 5% for GOM per suggested by Sudane Sudane Erato: no, they are the ones Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah fine. Kendra Bancroft: so adjusting it everymonth requires no vote --and besides it's a Guild treasury issue Kendra Bancroft: not an RA issue Satchmo Prototype: the new value should be emailed to everyone as well Sudane Erato: the website updates automatically from my spreradsheet Kendra Bancroft: the Guild is the trasurer Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, from the 4 options: "Still accept payments in $L. Set an exchange rate based on GOM plus 5%. " sounds the most reasonable to me. Kendra Bancroft: Sudane --you are treasurer for the Guild --not the RA Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm yes. Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's true. Sudane Erato: so... does that mean I decide unilaterally? Kendra Bancroft: and the Guild wishes for a monthly adjustment Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL Sudane :D Sudane Erato: :) Kendra Bancroft: No --it means I do. Sudane Erato: :) Gwyneth Llewelyn: and lol Kendra ;) Sudane Erato: I feel the pople should decide something like this Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, in that case, problem solved ;) Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm joking :) Sudane Erato: well we all agree Kendra Bancroft: I could put it up to a Guild vote
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Pendari Lorentz
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09-12-2005 08:00
Pendari Lorentz: true. This proposal was brought up because there had been confusion on the fourms. I know I wasn't really sure if was an RA issue, but I think that is a reason to have brought it up =) Sudane Erato: yes Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, the RA can agree that it's up for the Guild to decide, but *recommend* something Kendra Bancroft: of course Pendari Lorentz: yes Sudane Erato: yes, that could be too Gwyneth Llewelyn: I stick to #2 - Still accept payments in $L. Set an exchange rate based on GOM plus 5%. Kendra Bancroft: I'd like the SC's input as well Gwyneth Llewelyn: That has my recommendation :) Sudane Erato: Gwyn... we already are at 10% over US$ Gwyneth Llewelyn: Your prerrogative, kendra :) Satchmo Prototype: right, per Gwyn's recomendation :) Sudane Erato: I don't think we should come down to 5 Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm so we're at 10% over GOM? Sudane Erato: yes Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or we were, you mean, when we set it up? Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok Kendra Bancroft: I will put it up for a Guild vote --and we will implement the decision for next month's billing Sudane Erato: yes.. Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry about my ignorance :P Pendari Lorentz: I personally would never vote yes to aproposal that would take away the ability to pay in Linden dollars =) Sudane Erato: just for this reason Gwyneth Llewelyn: search & replace for 5% and go for 10% Sudane Erato: no Pen..! Sudane Erato: thats not veing proposed Sudane Erato: and that would cause our end Kendra Bancroft: I think we should demand Linden payment based on a monthly comparison to the US amount Kendra Bancroft: but that's just me Sudane Erato: well, we could Sudane Erato: payment on L$ is actaully better Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well that would be an alternative, yes. Gwyneth Llewelyn: And I agree. Yes. Pendari Lorentz: hehe.. Ok. Summary and Action on this agenda item: RA involvement not needed. Proposal handed back over to Guild and Treasury Sudane Erato: but some may wish to pay in US$ Gwyneth Llewelyn: Let *them* have the trouble of converting money Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway Kendra Bancroft: That's why I say --it'sd just my opinion Gwyneth Llewelyn: That is just a *recommendation* Kendra Bancroft: and I agree, Gwynn Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-D Kendra Bancroft: It should be the responsabilty of the citizen to pay in Linden Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* Kendra Bancroft: not our treasurer to convert Kendra Bancroft: it's far ore transparent that way Pendari Lorentz: Sudane.. does my summary sound right on this item? Kendra Bancroft: more Sudane Erato: no, actually the treasurer must convert most of the funds to US$.. Sudane Erato: in order to pay the LL fee Sudane Erato: but... Kendra Bancroft: yes --but let that be the only issue Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well yes Gwyneth Llewelyn: But that's on the "expenses" side of it Sudane Erato: its still better the way you suggest Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not on the "income" Sudane Erato: my only question is "requiring" it Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-D Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I have no issue with *that* :) Gwyneth Llewelyn: I wonder if there is any citizen who doesn't agree.... Kendra Bancroft: I also think the treasurer --if getting Lindens payments only would be freer to play with the sliding GOM Sudane Erato: ok Kendra Bancroft: and possibly net us some profit Sudane Erato: hehe Sudane Erato: well... don't know about profit Sudane Erato: but at least Sudane Erato: less loss Gwyneth Llewelyn: Cover the costs of inflation. yes. Pendari Lorentz: Ok. Summary and Action on this agenda item: RA involvement not needed. Proposal handed back over to Guild and Treasury Kendra Bancroft: No reason to not get the most favorable exchange Sudane Erato: ok Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed as well Pendari Lorentz: after the RA meeting, we can always discuss this more as guild people =) Gwyneth Llewelyn: Any proposals we shuld make to the Guild, or no influence at all? Kendra Bancroft: I'll run the issue through the Guild member voting sstem Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok. Sudane Erato: ok, good Kendra Bancroft: and I'll open it to all Guild members, not just meisters Pendari Lorentz: I really think this is out of the hands of the RA in all honesty. Since we are not proposing any taxation right now (or possibly ever) Sudane Erato: hehe... tax and spend!! Pendari Lorentz: that would be the only time I could see "money" issues being an RA concern Pendari Lorentz: based on the Constitution Gwyneth Llewelyn: "through a coordinated effort for the wellbeing of the citizens of Neualtenburg, both the Guild and the RA, in unprecedented collaboration, wish to inform the citizens that, for the public good, we have proposed..." Gwyneth Llewelyn: (from the N'burg Tagesblatt) Pendari Lorentz: *wink* Sudane Erato: lol Gwyn! Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Pendari Lorentz: LOL Gwyn Pendari Lorentz: ok. Pendari Lorentz: Agenda item 4 Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, next item... Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh* Sudane Erato: yes Pendari Lorentz: Now. I will be going to NY for the SLCC Sudane Erato: yea!! Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yay! Kendra Bancroft: ooooooh we must do lunch Satchmo Prototype: me to :) Pendari Lorentz: but I don't think I"ll get a full platform to promote Neualt, though you can bet I'll be talking about it.. haha Gwyneth Llewelyn: You too? Oh, great, Satchmo :) Pendari Lorentz: yay Satch! and of course Kendra!! haha Satchmo Prototype: Yea not the party the night before, I have a wedding to go to Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hehe Satchmo Prototype: but i"ll be at the expo Kendra Bancroft: I live in Brooklyn --and it will be my RL birthday Sudane Erato: oh!! Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, really Kendra?! Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe what a coincidence! Kendra Bancroft: yep Satchmo Prototype: sweet Kendra Sudane Erato: hehe Pendari Lorentz: well. I won a 1024 plot and Gwyn has a 512 plot where we can set up information about Neualtenburg Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* Kendra Bancroft: word of warning --I don't really have a snowhite beehive Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl Sudane Erato: lol Satchmo Prototype: I'm not green either :/ Pendari Lorentz: LOL Kendra Gwyneth Llewelyn: hahaah Sudane Erato: lol Pendari Lorentz: well.. I'm not 7'4" either Pendari Lorentz: *blush* Sudane Erato: no!!?? Kendra Bancroft: 'I'm 5'6" the only thing similar is the glasses Sudane Erato: I thought you were! Gwyneth Llewelyn: nothing that one-foot-heels won't solve, Pen ;) Pendari Lorentz: hahaha Pendari Lorentz: Ok. So Kendra Bancroft: Sudane --you always make me nervous bring a stick to the meetings Sudane Erato: hehe Pendari Lorentz: does the RA want to submit a request from the guild for some creative items to add to these sponsor plots. And also Sudane Erato: discipline :) Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2 things, actually Sudane Erato: psk Pendari Lorentz: I would like to propose a committee that would gather information about Neualt to put on these plots and get them set up Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1) do we wish for more space (I'd say yes) Kendra Bancroft: whew --now I feel safer Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2) can we agree to comission all the work for that to the Guild, starting ASAP? Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, after the Expo, anyway. Pendari Lorentz: If the guild will "build the decorations" for the plots, I'm fine with commission going to them Sudane Erato: time is getting tight Gwyneth Llewelyn: Indeed. Pendari Lorentz: but yes.. we need this stuff ready fast Kendra Bancroft: what are we talking about here? Kendra Bancroft: decorations? Kendra Bancroft: for? Kendra Bancroft: I'm a bit out of the loop on this Gwyneth Llewelyn: hm Pen - did you give Kendra the agenda? Pendari Lorentz: she did not click on te peguin Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, briefly, Kendra... Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah, right, lol Pendari Lorentz: I just gave her that one notecard for now.. hehe Gwyneth Llewelyn: anyway, besides the RL part of the convention Kendra Bancroft: oh okay --so we want a mini Neualtenburg? Gwyneth Llewelyn: there is a SL part to it as well Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well Pendari Lorentz: hmm.. Gwyneth Llewelyn: We should think what we put on the SL side of it. Yes. Pendari Lorentz: yes Sudane Erato: yes Pendari Lorentz: gwyn yes Kendra Bancroft: An architectural model of the city would be fun Gwyneth Llewelyn: thus, the comittee. Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, kendra Sudane Erato: can you do that quickly!!? Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I'd also like some notecards and links to the website with the social/political part of N'burg Kendra Bancroft: How long do I have? Sudane Erato: yes Pendari Lorentz: yes Gwyn Sudane Erato: Oct 9 Gwyneth Llewelyn: Until October, 8th :) Gwyneth Llewelyn: or 9 right. Pendari Lorentz: hmm.. the conference is the 8th and 9th Kendra Bancroft: I could do that --yes Sudane Erato: great! Gwyneth Llewelyn: You could just reuse stuff, Kendra. Pendari Lorentz: would be nice to set it up as soon as the plots are available Kendra Bancroft: exactly Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's true, Pen. Pendari Lorentz: and I'll be flying to NY on Fri the 7th Kendra Bancroft: and we already have it mapped out as a gif Sudane Erato: when will they be available? Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just a few days before, according to Hiro :P Kendra Bancroft: I would just place the image map on the ground and place stuff Sudane Erato: oh Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well Pendari Lorentz: I'll check on when they will be available and let everyone know.. exactly.. I heard that as well Gwyn.. a set date would be ideal if I can squeeze one out of Hiro.. hehe Kendra Bancroft: a scale model Gwyneth Llewelyn: The worst part of it is... Gwyneth Llewelyn: The "booths" are going to be distributed on the order of confirmation Kendra Bancroft: does anyone have a modable versiin of Ulrika's fachwerks? Sudane Erato: I doo Gwyneth Llewelyn: But chosen by the organisation - not picked by the people exhibiting stuff Sudane Erato: but they're not copyable Kendra Bancroft: poo Kendra Bancroft: I'll make my own Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs* Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Pendari Lorentz: Ok. So we may not be able to have our plots together Gwyn? Sudane Erato: hehe Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well Pen Gwyneth Llewelyn: I hope we will, yes Gwyneth Llewelyn: We'll talk to Hiro about that. Pendari Lorentz: maybe you and I could approach Hiro together with our plan Pendari Lorentz: ? Pendari Lorentz: ok =) Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm sure he will allow us to join them! Gwyneth Llewelyn: And sure. Gwyneth Llewelyn: What remains is that if we just go with the 1512 m2 Gwyneth Llewelyn: or get some more Kendra Bancroft: Is it 1024 square do we know? Gwyneth Llewelyn: remains *to be decided Gwyneth Llewelyn: We don't, kendra :P Sudane Erato: i'm certainlu in favor of more if it can be put to good use Pendari Lorentz: I have a 1024 plot.. Gwyn has a 512 plot Kendra Bancroft: well --whatever it is --I can figure out something Gwyneth Llewelyn: To be honest, last weekend, Hiro didn't had any idea except for the overall layout - 4 sims together (they'll reuse the Relay for Life ones), a central "stage", booths around it in circles Sudane Erato: hmmm Kendra Bancroft: It's a small matter for me to miniaturize things Gwyneth Llewelyn: There are also the "tiny city" ones... Kendra Bancroft: I already have all the textures Pendari Lorentz: Ok. who thinks we may need more space than the combined 1024 and 512? Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd like to propose that we buy at least anothr 512 m2 Satchmo Prototype: to be honest I have no idea Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's more a question of principle Kendra Bancroft: the more space the better Sudane Erato: I agree Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, space is expensive, Kendra!
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Pendari Lorentz
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09-12-2005 08:01
Kendra Bancroft: if only for the prims Sudane Erato: how much $$? Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1: 512m - $30 / 8,400L$ 2: 1024m - $55 / 15,300L$ 3: 2048m - $100 / 27,800L$ 4: 2048m, double prim limit - $190 / 52,800L$ Pendari Lorentz: if we can afford it, I can agree to an additional 512 over what we already have Sudane Erato: I'd say the $55 Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, at the very least, we'd be talking about 8400 L$ Sudane Erato: 1024 more Kendra Bancroft: I think we can make do with 1500 Gwyneth Llewelyn: Remember, Sudane, the Guild's work is also to be paid! Sudane Erato: sure Pendari Lorentz: right Sudane Erato: definitely Pendari Lorentz: but this can be a *huge* thing for Neualt Kendra Bancroft: let' stick with what we have Pendari Lorentz: this conference is getting a lot of exposure Kendra Bancroft: don't worry --I'll be building to impress Sudane Erato: hehe Pendari Lorentz: I would never worry otherwise Kendra Pendari Lorentz: =) Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kendra: I just mention this as a matter of "principle". After all, if these guys don't raise enough cash, we simply won't have a Convention next year and the project will be a failure. I wouldn't like to say that we had contributed for that by not Gwyneth Llewelyn: sponsoring anything with L$ oir US$ Kendra Bancroft: it's getting all the teeny tiny AVs that has me worried Sudane Erato: well US$ Satchmo Prototype: I'm up for another 512 to support the convention Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm more than willing to contribute with the extra US$30, hehe Satchmo Prototype: but this money comes from where? Neualtenburg cash reserves? Pendari Lorentz: Ok. So we have a motion for 512 more, a motion for 1024 more, an "I don't know" and I change my vote to "sure whatever we can manage!" =) Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well in theory yes, Satchmo. Sudane Erato: we have the cash Gwyneth Llewelyn: and lol Pen :) Sudane Erato: we just don't have the revenue Pendari Lorentz: Ok. Satch changed to 512 Sudane Erato: if this helps turn that around Kendra Bancroft: gotta spend to earn, Bucko Pendari Lorentz: lol Sudane Erato: yes, exactly Sudane Erato: thats the risk Gwyneth Llewelyn: Also, I'll try to make sure that Hiro puts not only the name but the website link for Neualtenburg on the SLCC program Sudane Erato: great Pendari Lorentz: do we know how many prims are available per size Gwyn? Gwyneth Llewelyn: as well as at the SLCC site, of course Satchmo Prototype: are we up for philanthropy from citizens to help support the convention space? Sudane Erato: i would think the usual, Pen Pendari Lorentz: I think that is a great idea Satch Sudane Erato: m2 x 23% Gwyneth Llewelyn: Standard prims, Pen. But you have option #4, double prims, but 2048 Kendra Bancroft: the beauty of a minaiture city --is that we actually use few prims Sudane Erato: oh! Pendari Lorentz: ok Kendra Bancroft: the buidings have no innards Kendra Bancroft: it's all texture work Sudane Erato: interesting Gwyneth Llewelyn: So. I'm sorry to be pressing Pendari Lorentz: so 2 votes for 512.. 1 vote for 1024 more.. I'm not certain which I vote for.. to me the more the better, but I'm concerned about cost Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I'd really like to have a "final agreement" Kendra Bancroft: and people feel like Godzilla Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll vote for 512 Pendari Lorentz: and I agree with Gwyn on her reasons for wanting to purchase more =) Sudane Erato: so I'll go with 512 Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I'll be also pestering Hiro with cross-advertising Gwyneth Llewelyn: meaning, having their kiosk at the Expo Gwyneth Llewelyn: and squeeze an extra 512 ;) Gwyneth Llewelyn: Eventyually Sudane Erato: ok Sudane Erato: good Gwyneth Llewelyn: Since we're doing an "ad campaign" for the Expo Kendra Bancroft: I can make specialty free steins Gwyneth Llewelyn: we could mention the Convention at our paid-for ad space Gwyneth Llewelyn: And squeeze some more space that way, LOL Sudane Erato: :) Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, we need to estimate the number of visitors at the Expo 2005 ;) Gwyneth Llewelyn: What is your feeling? Gwyneth Llewelyn: 50? 500? 5000? Sudane Erato: 5000 :) Gwyneth Llewelyn: 5? :) Pendari Lorentz: there is a cap of 160 Gwyneth Llewelyn: 5000, ok., One week, so, ~700 people per day? Pendari Lorentz: oh.. sorry.. you are talking Expo Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh? Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes Pendari Lorentz: lol Sudane Erato: yes Pendari Lorentz: I was still talking about the SLCC Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol yes Gwyneth Llewelyn: Pendari, what I meant was... Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll say to Hiro: "we expect X visitors at the Expo '05" Gwyneth Llewelyn: "based on our previous events, say, Oktoberfest, Xmas thingy, etc" Pendari Lorentz: ah yes.. ok.. reverse trade advertising =) Sudane Erato: sure Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's excatly it! Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or even "exactly". lol Kendra Bancroft: Oktoberfest was huge --and it was only for one day Pendari Lorentz: true Kendra Bancroft: The city wound making 10,000L that day Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's very right, Kendra. Any estimates? (it was at non-Euro-friendly hours, so I missed it all :P ) Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's a good one Gwyneth Llewelyn: How much does the Hat cost? Pendari Lorentz: ok. Summary and Action for this agenda item: Guild will work on items for displaying on the sponsor plots. Gwyn and Pen will get with Hiro about being able to combine plots. And we will buy additional space as discussed. Gwyneth will be main contact Gwyneth Llewelyn: L$100? Kendra Bancroft: we also sold alot of steins Sudane Erato: good Pen Sudane Erato: I agree Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's just to estimate people, Kendra - say, 100 people bought things Kendra Bancroft: I would say 100 is about right Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok Kendra Bancroft: and people bought on average 5 pieces each Gwyneth Llewelyn: So the Expo, we estimate around 1000 people Pendari Lorentz: in other words.. we have to make it appleaing for them to want to trade advertising .. Stats help with that =) Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes :) Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll tell Hiro, around 1000 people, each one buying 5 items, Gwyneth Llewelyn: which is not bad :) Kendra Bancroft: also remember --neualtenburg was only a month old at that time, and few people had even heard of us Pendari Lorentz: very true Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, that's quite right! Gwyneth Llewelyn: And hmm we just had 1/3 of the current population. Pendari Lorentz: Ok. You work on those stats with Kendra Gwyn? Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, sure :) Kendra Bancroft: we had five citizens Kendra Bancroft: lol Pendari Lorentz: ok. Next agenda item: possible State of Play entry for Neualtenburg Sudane Erato: great! Kendra Bancroft: what's involved with that? Pendari Lorentz: this entry is actually much more easy it seems Kendra Bancroft: don't we need a movie? Satchmo Prototype: we need a movie or screenshots Satchmo Prototype: I"m gonna take a shot at making a movie Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's more easy?! Pendari Lorentz: LOL Kendra Bancroft: Can I suggest the theme music? Sudane Erato: hehe Satchmo Prototype: Ulrika is gonna write the doc about the design of the city Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm glad you say that :D Satchmo Prototype: I'll coordinate the administrivia Pendari Lorentz: meaning Gwyn.. it is sort of a do it and submit it.. rather than a "setting up stuff" kinda thing Satchmo Prototype: and yes, you can suggest the theme music :) Kendra Bancroft: it works well with our message and architecture Kendra Bancroft: ELP-fanfare for the comon man Pendari Lorentz: afk for 2 mins.. very sorry! Keep discussing Satchmo Prototype: so I'll make a post this afternoon about it as well Satchmo Prototype: so everyone can have input Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah right Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry, I was rereading it Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, yes Satchmo Prototype: I don't think any of my other projects are gonna submit, so no conflict of interest there Kendra Bancroft: I have such a migraine Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think this will be easy. Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm Gwyneth Llewelyn: awww poor Kendra :P Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway, yes, I fully support this proposal.... Kendra Bancroft: I'm sitting in my apartment with a baseball hat and sunglasses Sudane Erato: i agree..! Satchmo Prototype: easy for us, cause our "Space" is already built Kendra Bancroft: my mom can make costumes! Let's put on a show! Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think I can get Moon Adamant (she's my roomie and a RL architect - or at least she studied architecture, rofl) to write some things on medieval architecture of Germany, although it's not her speciality Gwyneth Llewelyn: although the info on Ulrika's proposal for last year is quite good, actually. Satchmo Prototype: yea Urlrika will be in charge of the doc Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyone has a super-fast computer that gives 50-60 fps even on the Marktplatz? :) Kendra Bancroft: Nasa? Satchmo Prototype: heh, I have a decent one Gwyneth Llewelyn: That would be needed to grab movies with FRAPS Gwyneth Llewelyn: and lol Kendra :D Satchmo Prototype: although I'd love to rip out the tinies, and all the casino machines for the filiming :) Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have *access* to one fast computer, but well... it's a battleground of virus in there :P Satchmo Prototype: I use a G5 and pipe out the video via firewire to a mac mini that does the Quicktime encoding Kendra Bancroft: Ulrika does --- if she could just capture random scenes --I can do all the editing Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wow! Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's fantastic, Satchmo! Satchmo Prototype: yea it's a work setup actually Gwyneth Llewelyn: Incredible! Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well prhaps you could do the capturing, and pass the clips to Kendra for editing? Satchmo Prototype: yea that works Gwyneth Llewelyn: And ask Ulrika to do the same Gwyneth Llewelyn: More footage to work with :) Kendra Bancroft: The editing I can definately handle Kendra Bancroft: I can frankly do the voiceovers too --I'm a professional voice actress Satchmo Prototype: perfect! Satchmo Prototype: good I wasn't looking forward to the editting anyway Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh wow Kendra Bancroft: I can adapt the doc to a script Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* Gwyneth Llewelyn: fantastic, Kendra! Pendari Lorentz: back.. very sorry Sudane Erato: whew! this should be amazing! Satchmo Prototype: anyway, that's just gonna be a good video to have Satchmo Prototype: we can put it up on the web also Gwyneth Llewelyn: We should have used that approach for the contest in the early summer for making a promotional video of SL, hehe Sudane Erato: yes Gwyneth Llewelyn: and yeeees Satchmo!! Satchmo Prototype: as well as stream it in world if the oppurtunity arises Gwyneth Llewelyn: Indeed!!! Gwyneth Llewelyn: I can offer some space on my streaming video server, hehe Kendra Bancroft: Satch do you have an FTP sight I can DL the clips from? Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, "my" is not the correct word Pendari Lorentz: Ok. So Basically, do you want to take charge of this project Satch and work with Kendra (and anyone else that wishes to help)? Satchmo Prototype: yea sounds like a plan Satchmo Prototype: I'm good at contests Gwyneth Llewelyn: I would love to help, but I'm a terrible amateur at both video capture & editing, lol Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's very true, Satchmo :D Kendra Bancroft: yeah --I can't organize this --I'd prefer to take a second banana position Pendari Lorentz: I can do some modeling Pendari Lorentz: *wink* Gwyneth Llewelyn: <winks> Pendari Lorentz: lol Sudane Erato: hehe Gwyneth Llewelyn: ahh sure :) Gwyneth Llewelyn: We could set up some events for capturing, yes Kendra Bancroft: we should ask Garnet to model as well Gwyneth Llewelyn: Of course, the Expo '05 will be a good pretext :D Satchmo Prototype: yea the expo seems to be a good one :) Sudane Erato: yes!
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Pendari Lorentz
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09-12-2005 08:02
Kendra Bancroft: she looks so good in my clothingGwyneth Llewelyn: lol I agree!!Sudane Erato: heheSudane Erato: yesGwyneth Llewelyn: hmm we may even sell the video for LL to promote the German side of SL - hehePendari Lorentz: Ok. Summary and Action: Satch will take charge of this project and get out all details and needed informationGwyneth Llewelyn: We'll trade the rights for, say, a year without fees ;)Sudane Erato: great PenKendra Bancroft: har harGwyneth Llewelyn: agreed Pen :)Kendra Bancroft: but don't tell the citizensKendra Bancroft: mwahahahahahahahahahahGwyneth Llewelyn: Item #6 and that's all for todayPendari Lorentz: Ok. Final agenda item. This one will be a hard vote, so will not be voted on today, but the proposal is on the floorGwyneth Llewelyn: Of course *not* Kendra :) heheGwyneth Llewelyn: OkKendra Bancroft: I vote noGwyneth Llewelyn: LOLPendari Lorentz: hard vote = umm.. meaning that we have 7 days to vote on this but the proposal is on the floor (as per the procedures)Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, first, we need to know two things...Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1) how much will building those chalets costGwyneth Llewelyn: 2) how much are we expecting to get from the rentalsKendra Bancroft: I expect to rent for 250 a monthGwyneth Llewelyn: And eventually 3) how long will they be availableGwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, 250Pendari Lorentz: I guess my main question was... don't we do this already?Pendari Lorentz: *blush*Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm, how big each chalet?Kendra Bancroft: available thru the winter monthsGwyneth Llewelyn: We don't rent, Pen :)Pendari Lorentz: we don't??Sudane Erato: no, we're not currently renting anythingKendra Bancroft: but we will be renting vacation homesGwyneth Llewelyn: Ok Kendra - could we start the rental period just before Oktoberfest? What do you think?Sudane Erato: yesPendari Lorentz: hmm.. that would explain why those who "work" for the city are all citizens thenGwyneth Llewelyn: That would be a good promotion, I think.Kendra Bancroft: During OktobrfestSudane Erato: yes Pen :)Kendra Bancroft: we will be offering four month leasesPendari Lorentz: *puts more red ink on Constitution paper for dicussionGwyneth Llewelyn: OkKendra Bancroft: but you can rent by the monthSudane Erato: :)Gwyneth Llewelyn: (lol Pen)Pendari Lorentz: lolKendra Bancroft: Sarch --can you make lockable doors by chance?Gwyneth Llewelyn: If I understand the proposal...Kendra Bancroft: SatchSatchmo Prototype: yea I can do that KendraPendari Lorentz: well I love this idea personally...Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Guild will buy those for free and get a split on the revenues? (if yes, I agree completely)Sudane Erato: yes, i think its a great ideaKendra Bancroft: I envison the chalets to be 50 prims each --with another 50 prims available for furnitureGwyneth Llewelyn: What do you think, Kendra?Kendra Bancroft: yes --a 50% 50% split with the Guild was what I envisionedSudane Erato: yesKendra Bancroft: and I'll be taking a 10% split from the Guild as projekt leaderGwyneth Llewelyn: heh. Sure :)Sudane Erato: :)Gwyneth Llewelyn: And how much will cost the City to have the chalets & furniture be built?Kendra Bancroft: what I'd like to set up is a vendor selling "keys"Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh, wow Gwyneth Llewelyn *scratches head*Satchmo Prototype: you need the key to unlock a door?Kendra Bancroft: we're building semi furnished chaletsGwyneth Llewelyn: Interesting challenge :)Pendari Lorentz: you know.. what about a rental plaque outside each chalet. Much like many malls and apartments do in SL?Kendra Bancroft: easier, PenGwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, Kendra's approach is cooler :)Kendra Bancroft: I like itPendari Lorentz: lolKendra Bancroft: yes --mine is coolerSatchmo Prototype: I can do the key thing no problem I thinkKendra Bancroft: hahahahaGwyneth Llewelyn: :-DPendari Lorentz: I think the two ideas can be combined really =)Kendra Bancroft: it also requires no managementGwyneth Llewelyn: Yes :)Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, how big a space? i.e. how many chalets total?Kendra Bancroft: The keys can bet set to de-rez after a month?Sudane Erato: well, for the 100 prims..Kendra Bancroft: I need to examine the spaceGwyneth Llewelyn: uh-huhSudane Erato: tou need about 400m2Pendari Lorentz: that was how I wanted to do all the homes in Neualt back in the beginning.. Pre the deed stuff we have now =)Sudane Erato: probaly room for 6Satchmo Prototype: yea, we can talk about the rental method some other timeGwyneth Llewelyn: yes :DKendra Bancroft: yes, that's right, SudaneGwyneth Llewelyn: So, right, 6 houses...Sudane Erato: approxGwyneth Llewelyn: so, hmmKendra Bancroft: yes --I think six is a good numberGwyneth Llewelyn: best income projection: 6 x 4 x 250, ie L$ 6,000Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)Sudane Erato: well, depends on available spacePendari Lorentz: will the chalets be pre-furnished?Kendra Bancroft: and since they will all be duplicates --I only need build one and then repeat itKendra Bancroft: semi furnishedSudane Erato: yesPendari Lorentz: okKendra Bancroft: fireplaces --beds and couchesKendra Bancroft: --basic stuff Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*Kendra Bancroft: they can always fill up the rest as they likeGwyneth Llewelyn: Don't use the standard Linden fireplace, though, it's terribly laggy - lolSudane Erato: heheKendra Bancroft: No --I've built my ownGwyneth Llewelyn: Ah great!Pendari Lorentz: cool.. I wish every empty "home" in Neualt had at least that in them.. would make things not look so vacant.. heheGwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm yes, good point, Pen...Pendari Lorentz: but that is another issue =)Pendari Lorentz: eek!Gwyneth Llewelyn: It is, yesGwyneth Llewelyn: Although... we might also rent some of the homes during the same period :PPendari Lorentz: oh! that is pretty KendraGwyneth Llewelyn: ;)Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh, wowKendra Bancroft: neay huh?Pendari Lorentz: Ok. If nothing further to add. Summary and Action for this item: Vote yes or no on this proposal within the next 7 days =) Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* indeed!Kendra Bancroft: neatGwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, lolSudane Erato: yes, greatSatchmo Prototype: adjourned?Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sounds like it :)Kendra Bancroft: all the chalets will be one story on stilts with a front porchPendari Lorentz: Ok. That is the end of our agenda for today. I'll put together the chatlog and summary and get it out to everyone (and onto the forums). Please submit proposals for the next meeting at any time before we have the next one =)Pendari Lorentz: meeting adjourned and thank you all! =)Sudane Erato: great Pen!!Kendra Bancroft: 2 bedrooms, a living room and a kitchenetteGwyneth Llewelyn: thank you Pen :)Sudane Erato: thanks!Satchmo Prototype: cool, I got two issues I'd like to discuss with anyone who is intersted in listeningSatchmo Prototype: just want to get peeeps opinions The meeting closed at 11:55 Linden time.Formatted and colorized with transcript.
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Pendari Lorentz
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09-12-2005 13:58
* Notecard detailing RA Request for Guild Build Proposals
MoCA - Guild is requested to submit a plan and a budget for the construction of a Museum of Contemporary Art (MoCA) to the RA for its approval. The RA will also encourage the formation of a "MoCA Management" (MoCAM) group, composed in the majority of citizens of Neualtenburg, which will operate the museum, and which will be responsible for paying the monthly fee applicable to the parcel on which the museum sits. All revenues from the operation of the museum will flow to the members of that group. The RA will reserve the right to periodically review the performance of this group and, should it deem it appropriate solicit a new group to assume this responsibility. Should the MoCAM decide to replace the building which the RA has commissioned and the Guild built, it will soley consider the Guild for the design and construction of such a building.
Re-vamped Rathaus Guild is requested to submit a plan and a budget for the reconstruction of the current Rathaus so that the building can be used as a meeting place for the RA as well as housing our bills and other government information. Due to the Rathaus being on the platz, consideration should be given to the idea of making the RA meeting area and place for information on a 2nd floor, and continue to allow merchant space on the bottom floor.
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Pendari Lorentz
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09-12-2005 14:02
* Notecard detailing Neualtenburg Currency ProposalThe following actions have been proposed in the forums this week to deal with the fluctuation in the currency exchange rate now going on: * Base all fees on the US$. The US$ fee does not change without a vote. * Still accept payments in $L. Set an exchange rate based on GOM plus 5%. * Hold no assets in L$, instead converting them to US$ as soon as possible. * Return all prior investments to US$ to recover losses due to inflation. The Neualtenburg Land Journal, reachable at http://www.tospitimou.com/Neualtenburg/NeualtenburgLandJournal.pdf and thru the website, has been the basis on which all calculations of fees have been made. It uses the US$ as the basis for all the purchase price and monthly fee calculations. At the top of each page is the following box: [img attached below]As you can see, both the Land Sale Price and the Monthly Fee Base are denominated in US$. The important point is the next box. *GOM L$>US$ Exchange Rate*. This was at 250 L$ to the US$ when we set the system up, and we have left that rate for reasons of stability. It is this rate which is no longer at 250, and which is the source of our problem. The next box, the *City Currency Conversion Fee* is what we now charge on L$ payments. The proposal this week was for 5%. The *0.1* in that box is 10%, so we are already charging a higher rate to convert L$ to US$. The final box is the calculation for the higher rate inside the walls than outside. To respond to the published proposals: 1) We already base all fees in US$ 2) We will continue to accept payments in L$. We already charge a higher rate than is proposed. 3) There are currently 5 accounts holding city cash, three denominated in L$ and two in US$. These accounts are necessary for city operation. It is certainly the intent of the treasurer to hold as little cash in the L$ accounts as possible. 4) All prior investments have always been held in US$, and interest has been paid in US$. Therefore, my proposal is that rather that leaving the *GOM L$>US$ Exchange Rate* at the old 250 rate, that each month, at the first of the month, it be recalculated based on the current GOM rate. Then a new *Monthly Fee* chart will be published and distributed, so that for those citizens paying in L$, the amount will be available to them. I propose that we use this procedure through January 2006, at which time we review the procedure, with an eye to fixing the effective *GOM L$>US$ Exchange Rate* if the Linden becomes stable against the US dollar.
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Pendari Lorentz
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09-12-2005 14:04
* Notecard detailing Current Info on SLCC Sponsor PlotsFROM PENDARI'S EMAIL ------ ----------------- Second Life Community Convention - www.SLConvention.org <http://www.SLConvention.org> Sponsor Information ---------------------- Hi there! Congratulations on winning a complimentary 1024M plot at the first annual Second Life Community Convention! Sponsorships are fully transferable, if you win and will not use the space, you will be allowed to transfer that sponsorship to another person. Please contact Hiro Pendragon to make arrangements. The SLCC is October 8 and 9 in New York City, and the in-world builds will be available for a week, around these days. Reasons why this is exciting: ------------------------------------- - Exposure Space to market your organization, products, and/or business, with the promise of lots of people walking around and seeing. - Be part of history We are setting the standard for Conventions to come! - Innovate SLCC will be held simultaneously at New York Law School and inside Second Life! Streaming video will be set up between the two so that each world can look into the other. The in-world convention will be four sims, with the main event space in the center. Land for sponsor space will be surrounding the main Convention area. In case you wish to increase the size of your tier and help sponsor the event, tier values are as follows: Donation tiers are as follows: (either US$ / or L$) ------------------------- 1: 512m - $30 / 8,400L$ 2: 1024m - $55 / 15,300L$ 3: 2048m - $100 / 27,800L$ 4: 2048m, double prim limit - $190 / 52,800L$ In addition, all tiers will get their name listed in the SLCC Program handed out at NYLS, and at the website. Larger tiers are also available, and include a variety of incentives. To donate or for more information: ------------------------ IM Hiro Pendragon - or email: [email]hiro.pendragon@gmail.com[/email] </ym/Compose?To=hiro.pendragon@gmail.com> IM FlipperPA Peregrine Stipulations: --------------- - Spots will be awarded by SLCC organizers once donation has been paid. - You may donate to receive more than one spot. You may request that your spots adjoin; organizers will do their best to see this occurs. - You will need to join the SLCC Sponsor group and all items built on your land must be set to the SLCC Sponsor group. - No "active" scripted items should be included. (no sensors, listens, timers) - L$ payments should be made to the resident "SLConvention Control" - All content must be PG rated and fall within the Community Standards and Terms of Service of Second Life. - You do not need a premium account. - Building on another person's land or building over your alotted prims may result in forfeiure of your plot and ejection from the event. ------------------------- ============================================= FROM GWYNETH'S EMAIL ------ Just a brief notice, it seems that I have a 512 m2 plot as well to be used. However, I also think that we should help the convention out by paying a bit  They're also interested in exchanging marketing opportunities. One booth announcing the SLCC in the Neualtenburg Expo 2005, for perhaps some extra space at the SLCC. I think we could discuss something like having a 4096 m2 plot for half the price of a 2048 m2 - adding both Pen's and my plot together, and discussing the remaining fee for an exchange in ad space in Neualtenburg. - Gwyn
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Pendari Lorentz
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09-12-2005 14:05
* Notecard detailing Proposal for Rental Chalets during Holiday Season
FROM SUDANE:
Kendra proposed that during the holiday season a series of temporary rental chalets be constructed and located on City land below the walls. This would bring revenue, and, even more important, new faces. The chalets would not be permanent, since they would be located on land destined to be sold. I proposed that the rental income be split 50/50 between the Guild and the City, and Kendra was very agreeable to that.
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