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Neualtenburg RA Meeting Log from 09-11-05

Pendari Lorentz
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09-12-2005 07:59
AGENDA (inserted Notecards at bottom of Log - future logs will have this at beginning) :

Neualtenburg RA Meeting Agenda
September 11th, 2005
* Notecard detailing RA Meeting Procedures


1. Submit requests to Guild for the following Builds:
MoCA and Re-vamped Rathaus
* Notecard detailing RA Request for Guild Build Proposals


2. Advertising for EXPO Status and What further to do


3. Neualtenburg Currency Proposal
* Notecard detailing Neualtenburg Currency Proposal


4. Neualtenburg Second Life Community Convention Sponsor Plots
* Notecard detailing Current Info on SLCC Sponsor Plots


5. Proposal for Neualtenburg to enter State of Play Design Contest
* Notecard that gave information from the State of Play Website
http://www.nyls.edu/pages/3818.asp


6. Rental Chalets during Holiday Season
* Notecard detailing Proposal for Rental Chalets during Holiday Season



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Object-Name: notetaker beta 2
Region: Neualtenburg (246528, 249600)
Local-Position: (174, 168, 172)
Meeting on 2005-09-11
Those present:
Pendari Lorentz is in the chair.
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Sudane Erato: recorder started
Pendari Lorentz: welcome fellow RA members =)
Sudane Erato: :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you :)
Satchmo Prototype: :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We have left out one item from the biiig agenda...
Pendari Lorentz: Since the vote was unanimous to accept the proposed RA
procedures for Meetings, I have included a copy in the Agenda for
review if needed
Pendari Lorentz: what's that Gwyneth?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Which was our entry to the contest for the "german
WA". or did I miss that?
Sudane Erato: oh!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I forget what the deadline for that is.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Perhaps it's already too late :P
Pendari Lorentz: ahh.. hmm.. yes.. lets put that with the other Contest
item as well
Sudane Erato: i don't know
Pendari Lorentz: The Guild has been working on the German Bid
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (checking :) )
Pendari Lorentz: but I'm not certain about it either
Sudane Erato: thats great!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah forget it
Pendari Lorentz: we would most likely need something from Kendra on
status before we could really talk about it anyway. If that makes sense?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Deadline was August 26th
Pendari Lorentz: ah
Pendari Lorentz: lol
Sudane Erato: oh well
Pendari Lorentz: oh well :-(
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Unless there was an "extension"
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We'll talk to Kendra about it.
Pendari Lorentz: yes.. that sounds good
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, so, back to the "first" item :)
Sudane Erato: sure
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Do we need any discussion on that?
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. The first item on the agenda deals with our final
wording that we want to submit to the guild for the two builds we
approved as needed for the city
Sudane Erato: well, you had said you'd like to change a few things...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah. That's the 2nd item, lol
Pendari Lorentz: if no one has an issue with that wording, I can drop
Kendra the notecard
Sudane Erato: but that it was ok for now
Pendari Lorentz: what's that Gwyneth?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: As I said before, I had some questions & issues on
the proposal for the meetings
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I'll postpone those questions & issues
Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, ok, this is the point before point 1.
Sudane Erato: you can draft a correcting proposal :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry. This *is* a bit confusing!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Sudane - I agree. And sorry, Pen
Pendari Lorentz: ah.. yes! Ok. We had adapted the procedures. But yes,
we also agreed we could re-vist the procedure. I would motion that any
ideas we may have, put them in a notecard and we can submit it for a
future agenda proposal
Sudane Erato: i agree
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed. And anyway, I wished to have those procedures
be field-tested *before* I make any comments on them :)
Sudane Erato: that makes sense
Pendari Lorentz: yes. I think that is a good idea too
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The comments may not make any sense if we find out
that everything works well :)
Sudane Erato: :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, on the "re-vamped Rathaus" item, I have
absolutely nothing to add/change.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: One "aye" on that submission to Kendra. :)
Sudane Erato: yes, i agree on that too
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now, the MoCA....
Pendari Lorentz: I remember your concerns about conditions you wanted
for the MoCA Gwyneth. Is there something you want added?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The *only* issue I have is with the following
sentence: "The RA will also encourage the formation of a "MoCA Management"
(MoCAM) group, composed in the majority of citizens of Neualtenburg"
Gwyneth Llewelyn: No.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just clarify that point.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: As you know, the SDF is reluctant to have "outsiders"
running the Museum.
Sudane Erato: ahhhh
Pendari Lorentz: ahh
Sudane Erato: I was concerned that we would not have enough interest
among the citizens
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And also, I would like the Guild to have the "first
pick" of the MoCAM
Sudane Erato: at the same time it must be controlled by the citizens
Pendari Lorentz: but would not they become citizens of Neualt by
"working" in the city?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: If the Guild feels they don't want to run it, well
then, it's up for the citizens
Sudane Erato: no
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And no, pen
Sudane Erato: only landowners are citizens now
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Your concerns are very valid, though, Sudane :)
Pendari Lorentz: hmm.. the constitution states that someone working in
the city can be a citizen
Pendari Lorentz: bah!
Sudane Erato: hehe
Sudane Erato: well..
Pendari Lorentz: *reserves constitution discussion for now* hehe
Sudane Erato: yet another contradiction
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But the Constitution does not say that the citizen
becomes automatically one :)
Sudane Erato: :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes lol, Pen
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway, it's just a question of principle.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I don't oppose having non-citizens in Neualtenburg's
"official" thingies...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But
Gwyneth Llewelyn: In that case, we need to define the status of
"tourists"
Pendari Lorentz: hehe.. ok.. that was my misunderstand for now.. but
yes, I agree if they are not citizens, it is not as great an idea, but I
also agree with Sudane that there may not be enough intrest within
Sudane Erato: well... we should have some statement that goes to the
guuild
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ie. "visiting non-citizens" who also participate.
Sudane Erato: ok
Sudane Erato: thats good
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That is one for the Constitution revision, I think.
Sudane Erato: yes
Pendari Lorentz: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or eventually it could be a "Bill of Rights" for
non-citizens
Gwyneth Llewelyn: they would get a notecard when teleporting in
Pendari Lorentz: interesting idea!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: the RA could propose that
Gwyneth Llewelyn: see if the SC agrees
Sudane Erato: defining citizenship was always to be one of your
projects, Gwyn :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, lol, Sudane - very true :-D
Sudane Erato: :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So
Pendari Lorentz: ok. motion to put that proposal discussion on next RA
Agenda
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Two changes on that wording:
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1) that the Guild is allowed first to set up the
MoCAM itself
Gwyneth Llewelyn: let's give them, say, 2 weeks to get back to us with
their approval or not
Gwyneth Llewelyn: If after 2 weeks they don't say they'll run the
museum...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We'll post in the forums that all are welcome to
become the MoCAM
Sudane Erato: ooooh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2) that only citizens are allowed
Sudane Erato: that makes me anxious
Gwyneth Llewelyn: anxious? :)
Sudane Erato: posting in the forums
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, lol
Pendari Lorentz: hehe
Sudane Erato: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, we need to tell people about the MoCAM
Sudane Erato: true
Gwyneth Llewelyn: BTW - I have a suggestion for "non-citizens" in the
MoCAM
Sudane Erato: I love word of mouth
Pendari Lorentz: well.. first we need to get the proposal from the
guild
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Let's propose the non-citizens as "honourable
citizens" :)
Sudane Erato: hmmm
Sudane Erato: off topic :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That way, we sidestep the issue hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: No
Gwyneth Llewelyn: What I mean is, I'm really against having
non-citizens running the MoCAM
Pendari Lorentz: before we can vote on what the guild proposes. They
may very well propose someone else leading the MoCAM from the get go
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But since it would take time to agree on other
"status" - tourist, resident, etc
Sudane Erato: thats right
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok
Sudane Erato: better just to say citizens only
Pendari Lorentz: so we really need to get this to them, so we can see
what they want as well
Satchmo Prototype: yea, start with citizen only
Sudane Erato: yes pen
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Satchmo Prototype: then loosen the policy if we have troubles
Sudane Erato: ok..
Pendari Lorentz: this is not our final vote on the status of the MoCA
=)
Sudane Erato: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I agree :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And yes, Pen.
Pendari Lorentz: yes Satch. I like that
Satchmo Prototype: I'd prefer outsiders buy a plot in Neualt and live
here as well :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Of course :D
Sudane Erato: yes exactly
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, can we agree on those two changes, and then
submit the revised notecard to Kendra?
Pendari Lorentz: ok. So the wording that we are submitting to the Guild
on the MoCA (to gather their proposal). What should be added and where?
Pendari Lorentz: yes
Pendari Lorentz: how about you email them Gwyneth
Pendari Lorentz: so that we can see the full thing. To make it easier
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Add a line: "The Guild will have the first choice of
setting up the MoCAM if they wish"
Satchmo Prototype: But one thing
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and delete the half-sentence of "a majority of
citizens" to be replaced with "of citizens"
Sudane Erato: sounds good
Satchmo Prototype: if we are gonna have any sort of performance metrics
tied to the lease for commercial companyies, like...
Satchmo Prototype: if you get XYZ dwell your lease is automatically
renewed
Satchmo Prototype: else it will be open for bid
Sudane Erato: satch, be nice to work towarsd that
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, I like that :) hehe
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. I'll have to copy that from the meeting log and
I'll send out an email that shows the entire paragraph with the changes.
Because I can't visualize it while we are meeting
Satchmo Prototype: then that should hold true for the Guild as well
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (that's fine, Pen :) )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah Satchmo - I agree as well on that!
Sudane Erato: oooh, that would be tough to impose on them
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh no!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It wouldn't be tough, it would be fair.
Sudane Erato: true
Satchmo Prototype: you know, we shouldn't have the guild runnign a
business just to have a business
Sudane Erato: hehe... but tough to do
Satchmo Prototype: the business here need to generate dewll and revenue
Pendari Lorentz: I motion that you submit that as a proposal for
discussion at the next RA Meeting Satchmo
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, lol - yes, I agree :)
Sudane Erato: yes!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: "What the RA giveth, the RA taketh away" :)
Satchmo Prototype: okie dokie
Sudane Erato: hehe
Satchmo Prototype: I'm on it Pen
Pendari Lorentz: I think it would be a great thing to discuss =)
Sudane Erato: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll be very interested in watching those metrics ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Shall we move on?
Satchmo Prototype: aye
Pendari Lorentz: ok. first item on agenda Summary and Action: Reveamped
Rathaus wording approved. MoCA wording will be added to as per
suggested. This will be emailed out to RA memebers before being submitted to
the Guild.
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Sudane Erato: yes, great
Pendari Lorentz: second item
Pendari Lorentz: what have any of us done to advertise for the EXPO?
Pendari Lorentz: lol
Pendari Lorentz: *blush*
Sudane Erato: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn covers
Satchmo Prototype: :/
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I could give my old excuse of this having been an
unusually tough week ;)
Sudane Erato: :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Which is also true - but an excuse nevertheless hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Does any of you have logos or a notecard on the Expo?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll start putting "ads" in all the events I run,.
Sudane Erato: we should all have the posters Kendra did
Pendari Lorentz: I would like to do a massive advertising frenzy
starting tomorrow. As the EXPO is next week. Kendra submitted a list on the
forums of what will be at the Expo. Would someone volunteer to put that
announcement in a notecard and create a sign for the expo
Pendari Lorentz
Senior Member
Join date: 5 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,372
09-12-2005 08:00
Pendari Lorentz: that we can start putting out?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kendra *has* a sign :P
Sudane Erato: when really does it start?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 13th
Sudane Erato: theres confusion on that
Pendari Lorentz: well.. there you go :-p but we need a sign too. hehe..
Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh?
Pendari Lorentz: the 12th
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: indeed, confusion :)
Pendari Lorentz: hmm
Sudane Erato: I thought the 10th
Pendari Lorentz: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl
Pendari Lorentz: LOL
Sudane Erato: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh my.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (checking Kendra's post)
Sudane Erato: the birthday is the 12th, tomorrow
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good point.
Satchmo Prototype: Expo starts tomorrow
Satchmo Prototype: ?
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. RA Homework. Confirm date and know it by tomorrow.
We need signs. If Kendra has one, she needs to give us a copy. Or we
need to make our own. But it does the RA no good to not have access to
the advertising materials we need :-(
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed :-(
Pendari Lorentz: woah.. tomorrow?
Pendari Lorentz: that can't be right can it?
Pendari Lorentz: I thought it was next week :-(
Satchmo Prototype: me to.. but tomorrow is the 12th
Pendari Lorentz: err, meaning.. after next week
Pendari Lorentz: weekend
Gwyneth Llewelyn: First post of Kendra: "WE know it's Sept 16 thru the
24th"
Pendari Lorentz: Ok
Pendari Lorentz: whew
Sudane Erato: ahhh, ok :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. We need the sign from Kendra to pass out. But we
can also make our own.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, shall we announce it for 16th - 24th then?
Pendari Lorentz: yes Gwyn
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok.
Sudane Erato: yes
Pendari Lorentz: that is the same list post where Kendra details some
of the happenings of the Expo
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (I *have* claimed a tent, btw :) Only did it
yesterday, though)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And yes, pen.
Sudane Erato: i saw :)
Sudane Erato: the Gwyn tent :)
Pendari Lorentz: I'll be happy to post in the Forums about the event.
and I'll be happy to post the individual event times as soon as someone
gets me that information
Sudane Erato: I'm not sure anyone has that info
Pendari Lorentz: right
Pendari Lorentz: I will have to get that from Kendra
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, Kendra suggests a few events.
Satchmo Prototype: and people selling things shoudl post product
announcements in the forums
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll be adding a few as well.
Satchmo Prototype: I plan on doing that for my stuff
Sudane Erato: ahhh yes
Pendari Lorentz: there is no way to advertise if things are not
organized =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm, good idea, Satchmo :)
Sudane Erato: :)
Pendari Lorentz: that's fine Satch!
Pendari Lorentz: who wants to get the sign from Kendra that we can
start putting around? =)
Pendari Lorentz: and does it have in it the info that is in her post on
the forums?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (IMing Kendra now)
Pendari Lorentz: if not.. we need to get that in there with a notecard
giver
Sudane Erato: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kendra is on her way :)
Sudane Erato: great!
Pendari Lorentz: oh good! =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: :D
Pendari Lorentz: Should we put an ad in some of the ad signs that
people do in SL?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: telehubs or metaadverse?
Pendari Lorentz: the Metadvert or something?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: telehubs are free
Sudane Erato: does that pay?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: although nobody sees them, LOL
Sudane Erato: there are too many
Sudane Erato: and you always rush out
Pendari Lorentz: yes. I can do the hubs one.. but advertising there is
not the best.. but since it is free, it can't hurt =)
Satchmo Prototype: we should do a snapzilla photojournalism campaign of
it the day it starts
Sudane Erato: so as not to be conked on the head
Satchmo Prototype: snapzilla is good for word of mouth
Satchmo Prototype: and it's free
Pendari Lorentz: very good idea Satch
Sudane Erato: yes
Pendari Lorentz: it won't be on the second life website at all..
because we are a mature sim.. but it *will* be able to be on Snapzilla =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I like that :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
Pendari Lorentz: yes.. they only pull pictures for the home page that
originate in PG sims
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Who had the silly idea to get us a Mature sim? :-D
Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL
Sudane Erato: hehe
Pendari Lorentz: hehe.. it wasn't me.. but I would have begged for one
=)
Sudane Erato: seems like everyone went that way :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just joking, Pen :)
Pendari Lorentz: lol
Pendari Lorentz: it is so we can dance naked in the fountain
Pendari Lorentz: *wink*
Sudane Erato: after all, we are Mature, now, aren't we?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aah lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn *shakes head*
Pendari Lorentz: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Talking of which...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Someone is "testing" the fountain :)
Pendari Lorentz: cool!
Sudane Erato: I hear
Pendari Lorentz: you hear?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: probably Bond :)
Pendari Lorentz: I don't hear anything :-(
Pendari Lorentz: oh.. would help to put my headphones on :-p
Pendari Lorentz: *blush*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: awww rofl
Pendari Lorentz: ok. is Kendra close? should we wait or come back to
this item?
Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
Sudane Erato: she's here
Her words: (via Gwyneth Llewelyn) "Kendra Bancroft: be right there"
Pendari Lorentz: haha.. speak of the devil!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And there she is, true to her own words, lol
Sudane Erato: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Welcome Kendra :)
Pendari Lorentz: hey Kendra =)
Pendari Lorentz: *wave*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: She's still headbanging on the door
Kendra Bancroft: Hey
Gwyneth Llewelyn: You're welcome to come *in* Kendra :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Pendari Lorentz: lol
Sudane Erato: hehe
Pendari Lorentz: me thinks she is a wee bit laggy
Sudane Erato: yes
Satchmo Prototype: but we like her anyway
Sudane Erato: :)
Pendari Lorentz: haha
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I can understand *that*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: In the last few days, SL has lagged a bit more than
usual to me :P
Pendari Lorentz: :-(
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I've spent the morning tweaking my Mac, but to no
avail. Still only 3-4 fps in Neualtenburg, except outside the city
walls...
Pendari Lorentz: wow
Satchmo Prototype: are we pausing the agenda?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kendra - turn 90 degrees to your left, go two steps,
and you're here :)
Kendra Bancroft: just keep talkin'
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol ok
Sudane Erato: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We're good at that :)
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. Kendra. Mainly we need from you a sign we can put
out about the EXPO. that has a notecard giver in it with details about
the EXPO
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Sudane Erato: yes
Pendari Lorentz: I thought your post summary on the forums was good for
details =)
Kendra Bancroft: why not use the expo poster I made?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Also, I think that the best way to go around this is
to have all people interested in a tent to contact Kendra directly.
Pendari Lorentz: that's fine! we just need copies of it.. and to be
able to modify it so we can put a notecard inside
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes - that would be great, kendra :) Drop it on our
profile :)
Sudane Erato: thats what i've been telling people
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Pendari Lorentz: yes.. if you are interested in a tent.. contact
Kendra.
Sudane Erato: yes
Kendra Bancroft: what the bloody hell is up wuth this door?
Pendari Lorentz: we are beating you with it
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hahaha
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wow!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: You did it, Kendra!
Sudane Erato: yea!
Kendra Bancroft: I'm gonna cry
Sudane Erato: no :(
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. If you can drop a modable copy of the sign on us
Kendra, we can then get a notecard together and put a notecard giver
into the sign
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww no
Pendari Lorentz: don't cry :-(
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm well
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Should we go on?
Sudane Erato: sure
Pendari Lorentz: Agenda Item Summary and Action: Get details of EXPO
into a sign (provided by Kendra) and make sign ready to be distributed by
Mon Sept 12th. Other advertising actions to be done individually.
Sudane Erato: great!
Kendra Bancroft: we really need to fix this lag in the marktplatz
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Pen
Pendari Lorentz: /nod Kendra
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah yes, kendra
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We should :)
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. 3rd agenda item. Neualtenburg Currency Proposal
Sudane Erato: so next?
Sudane Erato: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Here we go... hehehehe
Sudane Erato: well.. is there the feeling we need tgo change?
Sudane Erato: we are suffering badly
Sudane Erato: from the exchange rate
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Everybody is :)
Sudane Erato: right now its 287 to the dollar
Kendra Bancroft: wouldn't it be just a simple matter of fixing the
linden amount to the US amount? By adjusting to the average GOM price?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Uggh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, but we have to vote on that.
Sudane Erato: the issue is that we fixed once in June
Kendra Bancroft: why? The amount was always based on US payments
Sudane Erato: then, how often do we re-fix
Pendari Lorentz: My only real issue with the proposal is the fact that
it means we have to make sure the website is updated with the new info
ASAP each month. Not sure Ulrika will always be available
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes.
Sudane Erato: once a week
Sudane Erato: or once a year
Kendra Bancroft: the fact that we allowed linden opayments without
adjusting was an overight on our part --not a bill
Sudane Erato: the website should not be a problem
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Thus, Sudane proposed (I think it was you, Sudane)
that we only change it once every month.
Kendra Bancroft: it should be adjusted every mponth
Sudane Erato: no Kendra... we did have an adjustment
Sudane Erato: it just hasnt been changed
Sudane Erato: thats the issue
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh
Sudane Erato: my proposal suggests once a month as well
Kendra Bancroft: But we neer voted to fix that adjustment
Gwyneth Llewelyn: You mean the prices charged in L$ are not the ones
shown at the Website right now?
Sudane Erato: no
Pendari Lorentz: I think adjusting it monthly only makes sense. We need
to keep in step with the world economy I would think (SL world that is)
Satchmo Prototype: I think the Linden value should be changed on teh
first to reflect a hard US$ amount with 5% for GOM per suggested by
Sudane
Sudane Erato: no, they are the ones
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah fine.
Kendra Bancroft: so adjusting it everymonth requires no vote --and
besides it's a Guild treasury issue
Kendra Bancroft: not an RA issue
Satchmo Prototype: the new value should be emailed to everyone as well
Sudane Erato: the website updates automatically from my spreradsheet
Kendra Bancroft: the Guild is the trasurer
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, from the 4 options: "Still accept payments in
$L. Set an exchange rate based on GOM plus 5%. " sounds the most
reasonable to me.
Kendra Bancroft: Sudane --you are treasurer for the Guild --not the RA
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm yes.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's true.
Sudane Erato: so... does that mean I decide unilaterally?
Kendra Bancroft: and the Guild wishes for a monthly adjustment
Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL Sudane :D
Sudane Erato: :)
Kendra Bancroft: No --it means I do.
Sudane Erato: :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and lol Kendra ;)
Sudane Erato: I feel the pople should decide something like this
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, in that case, problem solved ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm joking :)
Sudane Erato: well we all agree
Kendra Bancroft: I could put it up to a Guild vote
Pendari Lorentz
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09-12-2005 08:00
Pendari Lorentz: true. This proposal was brought up because there had
been confusion on the fourms. I know I wasn't really sure if was an RA
issue, but I think that is a reason to have brought it up =)
Sudane Erato: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, the RA can agree that it's up for the Guild to
decide, but *recommend* something
Kendra Bancroft: of course
Pendari Lorentz: yes
Sudane Erato: yes, that could be too
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I stick to #2 - Still accept payments in $L. Set an
exchange rate based on GOM plus 5%.
Kendra Bancroft: I'd like the SC's input as well
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That has my recommendation :)
Sudane Erato: Gwyn... we already are at 10% over US$
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Your prerrogative, kendra :)
Satchmo Prototype: right, per Gwyn's recomendation :)
Sudane Erato: I don't think we should come down to 5
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm so we're at 10% over GOM?
Sudane Erato: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or we were, you mean, when we set it up?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok
Kendra Bancroft: I will put it up for a Guild vote --and we will
implement the decision for next month's billing
Sudane Erato: yes..
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry about my ignorance :P
Pendari Lorentz: I personally would never vote yes to aproposal that
would take away the ability to pay in Linden dollars =)
Sudane Erato: just for this reason
Gwyneth Llewelyn: search & replace for 5% and go for 10%
Sudane Erato: no Pen..!
Sudane Erato: thats not veing proposed
Sudane Erato: and that would cause our end
Kendra Bancroft: I think we should demand Linden payment based on a
monthly comparison to the US amount
Kendra Bancroft: but that's just me
Sudane Erato: well, we could
Sudane Erato: payment on L$ is actaully better
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well that would be an alternative, yes.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And I agree. Yes.
Pendari Lorentz: hehe.. Ok. Summary and Action on this agenda item: RA
involvement not needed. Proposal handed back over to Guild and Treasury
Sudane Erato: but some may wish to pay in US$
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Let *them* have the trouble of converting money
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway
Kendra Bancroft: That's why I say --it'sd just my opinion
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That is just a *recommendation*
Kendra Bancroft: and I agree, Gwynn
Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-D
Kendra Bancroft: It should be the responsabilty of the citizen to pay
in Linden
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Kendra Bancroft: not our treasurer to convert
Kendra Bancroft: it's far ore transparent that way
Pendari Lorentz: Sudane.. does my summary sound right on this item?
Kendra Bancroft: more
Sudane Erato: no, actually the treasurer must convert most of the funds
to US$..
Sudane Erato: in order to pay the LL fee
Sudane Erato: but...
Kendra Bancroft: yes --but let that be the only issue
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But that's on the "expenses" side of it
Sudane Erato: its still better the way you suggest
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not on the "income"
Sudane Erato: my only question is "requiring" it
Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-D
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I have no issue with *that* :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I wonder if there is any citizen who doesn't
agree....
Kendra Bancroft: I also think the treasurer --if getting Lindens
payments only would be freer to play with the sliding GOM
Sudane Erato: ok
Kendra Bancroft: and possibly net us some profit
Sudane Erato: hehe
Sudane Erato: well... don't know about profit
Sudane Erato: but at least
Sudane Erato: less loss
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Cover the costs of inflation. yes.
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. Summary and Action on this agenda item: RA
involvement not needed. Proposal handed back over to Guild and Treasury
Kendra Bancroft: No reason to not get the most favorable exchange
Sudane Erato: ok
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed as well
Pendari Lorentz: after the RA meeting, we can always discuss this more
as guild people =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Any proposals we shuld make to the Guild, or no
influence at all?
Kendra Bancroft: I'll run the issue through the Guild member voting
sstem
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok.
Sudane Erato: ok, good
Kendra Bancroft: and I'll open it to all Guild members, not just
meisters
Pendari Lorentz: I really think this is out of the hands of the RA in
all honesty. Since we are not proposing any taxation right now (or
possibly ever)
Sudane Erato: hehe... tax and spend!!
Pendari Lorentz: that would be the only time I could see "money" issues
being an RA concern
Pendari Lorentz: based on the Constitution
Gwyneth Llewelyn: "through a coordinated effort for the wellbeing of
the citizens of Neualtenburg, both the Guild and the RA, in unprecedented
collaboration, wish to inform the citizens that, for the public good,
we have proposed..."
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (from the N'burg Tagesblatt)
Pendari Lorentz: *wink*
Sudane Erato: lol Gwyn!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Pendari Lorentz: LOL Gwyn
Pendari Lorentz: ok.
Pendari Lorentz: Agenda item 4
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, next item...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh*
Sudane Erato: yes
Pendari Lorentz: Now. I will be going to NY for the SLCC
Sudane Erato: yea!!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yay!
Kendra Bancroft: ooooooh we must do lunch
Satchmo Prototype: me to :)
Pendari Lorentz: but I don't think I"ll get a full platform to promote
Neualt, though you can bet I'll be talking about it.. haha
Gwyneth Llewelyn: You too? Oh, great, Satchmo :)
Pendari Lorentz: yay Satch! and of course Kendra!! haha
Satchmo Prototype: Yea not the party the night before, I have a wedding
to go to
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hehe
Satchmo Prototype: but i"ll be at the expo
Kendra Bancroft: I live in Brooklyn --and it will be my RL birthday
Sudane Erato: oh!!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, really Kendra?!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe what a coincidence!
Kendra Bancroft: yep
Satchmo Prototype: sweet Kendra
Sudane Erato: hehe
Pendari Lorentz: well. I won a 1024 plot and Gwyn has a 512 plot where
we can set up information about Neualtenburg
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Kendra Bancroft: word of warning --I don't really have a snowhite
beehive
Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl
Sudane Erato: lol
Satchmo Prototype: I'm not green either :/
Pendari Lorentz: LOL Kendra
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hahaah
Sudane Erato: lol
Pendari Lorentz: well.. I'm not 7'4" either
Pendari Lorentz: *blush*
Sudane Erato: no!!??
Kendra Bancroft: 'I'm 5'6" the only thing similar is the glasses
Sudane Erato: I thought you were!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: nothing that one-foot-heels won't solve, Pen ;)
Pendari Lorentz: hahaha
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. So
Kendra Bancroft: Sudane --you always make me nervous bring a stick to
the meetings
Sudane Erato: hehe
Pendari Lorentz: does the RA want to submit a request from the guild
for some creative items to add to these sponsor plots. And also
Sudane Erato: discipline :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2 things, actually
Sudane Erato: psk
Pendari Lorentz: I would like to propose a committee that would gather
information about Neualt to put on these plots and get them set up
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1) do we wish for more space (I'd say yes)
Kendra Bancroft: whew --now I feel safer
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2) can we agree to comission all the work for that to
the Guild, starting ASAP?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, after the Expo, anyway.
Pendari Lorentz: If the guild will "build the decorations" for the
plots, I'm fine with commission going to them
Sudane Erato: time is getting tight
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Indeed.
Pendari Lorentz: but yes.. we need this stuff ready fast
Kendra Bancroft: what are we talking about here?
Kendra Bancroft: decorations?
Kendra Bancroft: for?
Kendra Bancroft: I'm a bit out of the loop on this
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hm Pen - did you give Kendra the agenda?
Pendari Lorentz: she did not click on te peguin
Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, briefly, Kendra...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah, right, lol
Pendari Lorentz: I just gave her that one notecard for now.. hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: anyway, besides the RL part of the convention
Kendra Bancroft: oh okay --so we want a mini Neualtenburg?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: there is a SL part to it as well
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well
Pendari Lorentz: hmm..
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We should think what we put on the SL side of it.
Yes.
Pendari Lorentz: yes
Sudane Erato: yes
Pendari Lorentz: gwyn yes
Kendra Bancroft: An architectural model of the city would be fun
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thus, the comittee.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, kendra
Sudane Erato: can you do that quickly!!?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I'd also like some notecards and links to the
website with the social/political part of N'burg
Kendra Bancroft: How long do I have?
Sudane Erato: yes
Pendari Lorentz: yes Gwyn
Sudane Erato: Oct 9
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Until October, 8th :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: or 9 right.
Pendari Lorentz: hmm.. the conference is the 8th and 9th
Kendra Bancroft: I could do that --yes
Sudane Erato: great!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: You could just reuse stuff, Kendra.
Pendari Lorentz: would be nice to set it up as soon as the plots are
available
Kendra Bancroft: exactly
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's true, Pen.
Pendari Lorentz: and I'll be flying to NY on Fri the 7th
Kendra Bancroft: and we already have it mapped out as a gif
Sudane Erato: when will they be available?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just a few days before, according to Hiro :P
Kendra Bancroft: I would just place the image map on the ground and
place stuff
Sudane Erato: oh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well
Pendari Lorentz: I'll check on when they will be available and let
everyone know.. exactly.. I heard that as well Gwyn.. a set date would be
ideal if I can squeeze one out of Hiro.. hehe
Kendra Bancroft: a scale model
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The worst part of it is...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The "booths" are going to be distributed on the order
of confirmation
Kendra Bancroft: does anyone have a modable versiin of Ulrika's
fachwerks?
Sudane Erato: I doo
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But chosen by the organisation - not picked by the
people exhibiting stuff
Sudane Erato: but they're not copyable
Kendra Bancroft: poo
Kendra Bancroft: I'll make my own
Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. So we may not be able to have our plots together
Gwyn?
Sudane Erato: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well Pen
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I hope we will, yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We'll talk to Hiro about that.
Pendari Lorentz: maybe you and I could approach Hiro together with our
plan
Pendari Lorentz: ?
Pendari Lorentz: ok =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm sure he will allow us to join them!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And sure.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: What remains is that if we just go with the 1512 m2
Gwyneth Llewelyn: or get some more
Kendra Bancroft: Is it 1024 square do we know?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: remains *to be decided
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We don't, kendra :P
Sudane Erato: i'm certainlu in favor of more if it can be put to good
use
Pendari Lorentz: I have a 1024 plot.. Gwyn has a 512 plot
Kendra Bancroft: well --whatever it is --I can figure out something
Gwyneth Llewelyn: To be honest, last weekend, Hiro didn't had any idea
except for the overall layout - 4 sims together (they'll reuse the
Relay for Life ones), a central "stage", booths around it in circles
Sudane Erato: hmmm
Kendra Bancroft: It's a small matter for me to miniaturize things
Gwyneth Llewelyn: There are also the "tiny city" ones...
Kendra Bancroft: I already have all the textures
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. who thinks we may need more space than the
combined 1024 and 512?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd like to propose that we buy at least anothr 512
m2
Satchmo Prototype: to be honest I have no idea
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's more a question of principle
Kendra Bancroft: the more space the better
Sudane Erato: I agree
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, space is expensive, Kendra!
Pendari Lorentz
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09-12-2005 08:01
Kendra Bancroft: if only for the prims
Sudane Erato: how much $$?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1: 512m - $30 / 8,400L$ 2: 1024m - $55 / 15,300L$ 3:
2048m - $100 / 27,800L$ 4: 2048m, double prim limit - $190 / 52,800L$
Pendari Lorentz: if we can afford it, I can agree to an additional 512
over what we already have
Sudane Erato: I'd say the $55
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, at the very least, we'd be talking about 8400 L$
Sudane Erato: 1024 more
Kendra Bancroft: I think we can make do with 1500
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Remember, Sudane, the Guild's work is also to be
paid!
Sudane Erato: sure
Pendari Lorentz: right
Sudane Erato: definitely
Pendari Lorentz: but this can be a *huge* thing for Neualt
Kendra Bancroft: let' stick with what we have
Pendari Lorentz: this conference is getting a lot of exposure
Kendra Bancroft: don't worry --I'll be building to impress
Sudane Erato: hehe
Pendari Lorentz: I would never worry otherwise Kendra
Pendari Lorentz: =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kendra: I just mention this as a matter of
"principle". After all, if these guys don't raise enough cash, we simply won't
have a Convention next year and the project will be a failure. I wouldn't
like to say that we had contributed for that by not
Gwyneth Llewelyn: sponsoring anything with L$ oir US$
Kendra Bancroft: it's getting all the teeny tiny AVs that has me
worried
Sudane Erato: well US$
Satchmo Prototype: I'm up for another 512 to support the convention
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm more than willing to contribute with the extra
US$30, hehe
Satchmo Prototype: but this money comes from where? Neualtenburg cash
reserves?
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. So we have a motion for 512 more, a motion for
1024 more, an "I don't know" and I change my vote to "sure whatever we can
manage!" =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well in theory yes, Satchmo.
Sudane Erato: we have the cash
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and lol Pen :)
Sudane Erato: we just don't have the revenue
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. Satch changed to 512
Sudane Erato: if this helps turn that around
Kendra Bancroft: gotta spend to earn, Bucko
Pendari Lorentz: lol
Sudane Erato: yes, exactly
Sudane Erato: thats the risk
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Also, I'll try to make sure that Hiro puts not only
the name but the website link for Neualtenburg on the SLCC program
Sudane Erato: great
Pendari Lorentz: do we know how many prims are available per size Gwyn?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: as well as at the SLCC site, of course
Satchmo Prototype: are we up for philanthropy from citizens to help
support the convention space?
Sudane Erato: i would think the usual, Pen
Pendari Lorentz: I think that is a great idea Satch
Sudane Erato: m2 x 23%
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Standard prims, Pen. But you have option #4, double
prims, but 2048
Kendra Bancroft: the beauty of a minaiture city --is that we actually
use few prims
Sudane Erato: oh!
Pendari Lorentz: ok
Kendra Bancroft: the buidings have no innards
Kendra Bancroft: it's all texture work
Sudane Erato: interesting
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So. I'm sorry to be pressing
Pendari Lorentz: so 2 votes for 512.. 1 vote for 1024 more.. I'm not
certain which I vote for.. to me the more the better, but I'm concerned
about cost
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I'd really like to have a "final agreement"
Kendra Bancroft: and people feel like Godzilla
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll vote for 512
Pendari Lorentz: and I agree with Gwyn on her reasons for wanting to
purchase more =)
Sudane Erato: so I'll go with 512
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I'll be also pestering Hiro with
cross-advertising
Gwyneth Llewelyn: meaning, having their kiosk at the Expo
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and squeeze an extra 512 ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Eventyually
Sudane Erato: ok
Sudane Erato: good
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Since we're doing an "ad campaign" for the Expo
Kendra Bancroft: I can make specialty free steins
Gwyneth Llewelyn: we could mention the Convention at our paid-for ad
space
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And squeeze some more space that way, LOL
Sudane Erato: :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, we need to estimate the number of visitors at the
Expo 2005 ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: What is your feeling?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 50? 500? 5000?
Sudane Erato: 5000 :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 5? :)
Pendari Lorentz: there is a cap of 160
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 5000, ok., One week, so, ~700 people per day?
Pendari Lorentz: oh.. sorry.. you are talking Expo
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes
Pendari Lorentz: lol
Sudane Erato: yes
Pendari Lorentz: I was still talking about the SLCC
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Pendari, what I meant was...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll say to Hiro: "we expect X visitors at the Expo
'05"
Gwyneth Llewelyn: "based on our previous events, say, Oktoberfest, Xmas
thingy, etc"
Pendari Lorentz: ah yes.. ok.. reverse trade advertising =)
Sudane Erato: sure
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's excatly it!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or even "exactly". lol
Kendra Bancroft: Oktoberfest was huge --and it was only for one day
Pendari Lorentz: true
Kendra Bancroft: The city wound making 10,000L that day
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's very right, Kendra. Any estimates? (it was at
non-Euro-friendly hours, so I missed it all :P )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's a good one
Gwyneth Llewelyn: How much does the Hat cost?
Pendari Lorentz: ok. Summary and Action for this agenda item: Guild
will work on items for displaying on the sponsor plots. Gwyn and Pen will
get with Hiro about being able to combine plots. And we will buy
additional space as discussed. Gwyneth will be main contact
Gwyneth Llewelyn: L$100?
Kendra Bancroft: we also sold alot of steins
Sudane Erato: good Pen
Sudane Erato: I agree
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's just to estimate people, Kendra - say, 100
people bought things
Kendra Bancroft: I would say 100 is about right
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok
Kendra Bancroft: and people bought on average 5 pieces each
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So the Expo, we estimate around 1000 people
Pendari Lorentz: in other words.. we have to make it appleaing for them
to want to trade advertising .. Stats help with that =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll tell Hiro, around 1000 people, each one buying 5
items,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: which is not bad :)
Kendra Bancroft: also remember --neualtenburg was only a month old at
that time, and few people had even heard of us
Pendari Lorentz: very true
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, that's quite right!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And hmm we just had 1/3 of the current population.
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. You work on those stats with Kendra Gwyn?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, sure :)
Kendra Bancroft: we had five citizens
Kendra Bancroft: lol
Pendari Lorentz: ok. Next agenda item: possible State of Play entry for
Neualtenburg
Sudane Erato: great!
Kendra Bancroft: what's involved with that?
Pendari Lorentz: this entry is actually much more easy it seems
Kendra Bancroft: don't we need a movie?
Satchmo Prototype: we need a movie or screenshots
Satchmo Prototype: I"m gonna take a shot at making a movie
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's more easy?!
Pendari Lorentz: LOL
Kendra Bancroft: Can I suggest the theme music?
Sudane Erato: hehe
Satchmo Prototype: Ulrika is gonna write the doc about the design of
the city
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm glad you say that :D
Satchmo Prototype: I'll coordinate the administrivia
Pendari Lorentz: meaning Gwyn.. it is sort of a do it and submit it..
rather than a "setting up stuff" kinda thing
Satchmo Prototype: and yes, you can suggest the theme music :)
Kendra Bancroft: it works well with our message and architecture
Kendra Bancroft: ELP-fanfare for the comon man
Pendari Lorentz: afk for 2 mins.. very sorry! Keep discussing
Satchmo Prototype: so I'll make a post this afternoon about it as well
Satchmo Prototype: so everyone can have input
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah right
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry, I was rereading it
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, yes
Satchmo Prototype: I don't think any of my other projects are gonna
submit, so no conflict of interest there
Kendra Bancroft: I have such a migraine
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think this will be easy.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
Gwyneth Llewelyn: awww poor Kendra :P
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway, yes, I fully support this proposal....
Kendra Bancroft: I'm sitting in my apartment with a baseball hat and
sunglasses
Sudane Erato: i agree..!
Satchmo Prototype: easy for us, cause our "Space" is already built
Kendra Bancroft: my mom can make costumes! Let's put on a show!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think I can get Moon Adamant (she's my roomie and a
RL architect - or at least she studied architecture, rofl) to write
some things on medieval architecture of Germany, although it's not her
speciality
Gwyneth Llewelyn: although the info on Ulrika's proposal for last year
is quite good, actually.
Satchmo Prototype: yea Urlrika will be in charge of the doc
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyone has a super-fast computer that gives 50-60 fps
even on the Marktplatz? :)
Kendra Bancroft: Nasa?
Satchmo Prototype: heh, I have a decent one
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That would be needed to grab movies with FRAPS
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and lol Kendra :D
Satchmo Prototype: although I'd love to rip out the tinies, and all the
casino machines for the filiming :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have *access* to one fast computer, but well...
it's a battleground of virus in there :P
Satchmo Prototype: I use a G5 and pipe out the video via firewire to a
mac mini that does the Quicktime encoding
Kendra Bancroft: Ulrika does --- if she could just capture random
scenes --I can do all the editing
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wow!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's fantastic, Satchmo!
Satchmo Prototype: yea it's a work setup actually
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Incredible!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well prhaps you could do the capturing, and pass the
clips to Kendra for editing?
Satchmo Prototype: yea that works
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And ask Ulrika to do the same
Gwyneth Llewelyn: More footage to work with :)
Kendra Bancroft: The editing I can definately handle
Kendra Bancroft: I can frankly do the voiceovers too --I'm a
professional voice actress
Satchmo Prototype: perfect!
Satchmo Prototype: good I wasn't looking forward to the editting anyway
Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh wow
Kendra Bancroft: I can adapt the doc to a script
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: fantastic, Kendra!
Pendari Lorentz: back.. very sorry
Sudane Erato: whew! this should be amazing!
Satchmo Prototype: anyway, that's just gonna be a good video to have
Satchmo Prototype: we can put it up on the web also
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We should have used that approach for the contest in
the early summer for making a promotional video of SL, hehe
Sudane Erato: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and yeeees Satchmo!!
Satchmo Prototype: as well as stream it in world if the oppurtunity
arises
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Indeed!!!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I can offer some space on my streaming video server,
hehe
Kendra Bancroft: Satch do you have an FTP sight I can DL the clips
from?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, "my" is not the correct word
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. So Basically, do you want to take charge of this
project Satch and work with Kendra (and anyone else that wishes to
help)?
Satchmo Prototype: yea sounds like a plan
Satchmo Prototype: I'm good at contests
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I would love to help, but I'm a terrible amateur at
both video capture & editing, lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's very true, Satchmo :D
Kendra Bancroft: yeah --I can't organize this --I'd prefer to take a
second banana position
Pendari Lorentz: I can do some modeling
Pendari Lorentz: *wink*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: <winks>
Pendari Lorentz: lol
Sudane Erato: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ahh sure :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We could set up some events for capturing, yes
Kendra Bancroft: we should ask Garnet to model as well
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Of course, the Expo '05 will be a good pretext :D
Satchmo Prototype: yea the expo seems to be a good one :)
Sudane Erato: yes!
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09-12-2005 08:02
Kendra Bancroft: she looks so good in my clothing
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol I agree!!
Sudane Erato: hehe
Sudane Erato: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm we may even sell the video for LL to promote the
German side of SL - hehe
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. Summary and Action: Satch will take charge of this
project and get out all details and needed information
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We'll trade the rights for, say, a year without fees
;)
Sudane Erato: great Pen
Kendra Bancroft: har har
Gwyneth Llewelyn: agreed Pen :)
Kendra Bancroft: but don't tell the citizens
Kendra Bancroft: mwahahahahahahahahahah
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Item #6 and that's all for today
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. Final agenda item. This one will be a hard vote,
so will not be voted on today, but the proposal is on the floor
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Of course *not* Kendra :) hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok
Kendra Bancroft: I vote no
Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL
Pendari Lorentz: hard vote = umm.. meaning that we have 7 days to vote
on this but the proposal is on the floor (as per the procedures)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, first, we need to know two things...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1) how much will building those chalets cost
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2) how much are we expecting to get from the rentals
Kendra Bancroft: I expect to rent for 250 a month
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And eventually 3) how long will they be available
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, 250
Pendari Lorentz: I guess my main question was... don't we do this
already?
Pendari Lorentz: *blush*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm, how big each chalet?
Kendra Bancroft: available thru the winter months
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We don't rent, Pen :)
Pendari Lorentz: we don't??
Sudane Erato: no, we're not currently renting anything
Kendra Bancroft: but we will be renting vacation homes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok Kendra - could we start the rental period just
before Oktoberfest? What do you think?
Sudane Erato: yes
Pendari Lorentz: hmm.. that would explain why those who "work" for the
city are all citizens then
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That would be a good promotion, I think.
Kendra Bancroft: During Oktobrfest
Sudane Erato: yes Pen :)
Kendra Bancroft: we will be offering four month leases
Pendari Lorentz: *puts more red ink on Constitution paper for dicussion
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok
Kendra Bancroft: but you can rent by the month
Sudane Erato: :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (lol Pen)
Pendari Lorentz: lol
Kendra Bancroft: Sarch --can you make lockable doors by chance?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: If I understand the proposal...
Kendra Bancroft: Satch
Satchmo Prototype: yea I can do that Kendra
Pendari Lorentz: well I love this idea personally...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Guild will buy those for free and get a split on
the revenues? (if yes, I agree completely)
Sudane Erato: yes, i think its a great idea
Kendra Bancroft: I envison the chalets to be 50 prims each --with
another 50 prims available for furniture
Gwyneth Llewelyn: What do you think, Kendra?
Kendra Bancroft: yes --a 50% 50% split with the Guild was what I
envisioned
Sudane Erato: yes
Kendra Bancroft: and I'll be taking a 10% split from the Guild as
projekt leader
Gwyneth Llewelyn: heh. Sure :)
Sudane Erato: :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And how much will cost the City to have the chalets &
furniture be built?
Kendra Bancroft: what I'd like to set up is a vendor selling "keys"
Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh, wow
Gwyneth Llewelyn *scratches head*
Satchmo Prototype: you need the key to unlock a door?
Kendra Bancroft: we're building semi furnished chalets
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Interesting challenge :)
Pendari Lorentz: you know.. what about a rental plaque outside each
chalet. Much like many malls and apartments do in SL?
Kendra Bancroft: easier, Pen
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, Kendra's approach is cooler :)
Kendra Bancroft: I like it
Pendari Lorentz: lol
Kendra Bancroft: yes --mine is cooler
Satchmo Prototype: I can do the key thing no problem I think
Kendra Bancroft: hahahaha
Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-D
Pendari Lorentz: I think the two ideas can be combined really =)
Kendra Bancroft: it also requires no management
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, how big a space? i.e. how many chalets total?
Kendra Bancroft: The keys can bet set to de-rez after a month?
Sudane Erato: well, for the 100 prims..
Kendra Bancroft: I need to examine the space
Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh-huh
Sudane Erato: tou need about 400m2
Pendari Lorentz: that was how I wanted to do all the homes in Neualt
back in the beginning.. Pre the deed stuff we have now =)
Sudane Erato: probaly room for 6
Satchmo Prototype: yea, we can talk about the rental method some other
time
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes :D
Kendra Bancroft: yes, that's right, Sudane
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, right, 6 houses...
Sudane Erato: approx
Gwyneth Llewelyn: so, hmm
Kendra Bancroft: yes --I think six is a good number
Gwyneth Llewelyn: best income projection: 6 x 4 x 250, ie L$ 6,000
Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)
Sudane Erato: well, depends on available space
Pendari Lorentz: will the chalets be pre-furnished?
Kendra Bancroft: and since they will all be duplicates --I only need
build one and then repeat it
Kendra Bancroft: semi furnished
Sudane Erato: yes
Pendari Lorentz: ok
Kendra Bancroft: fireplaces --beds and couches
Kendra Bancroft: --basic stuff
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Kendra Bancroft: they can always fill up the rest as they like
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Don't use the standard Linden fireplace, though, it's
terribly laggy - lol
Sudane Erato: hehe
Kendra Bancroft: No --I've built my own
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah great!
Pendari Lorentz: cool.. I wish every empty "home" in Neualt had at
least that in them.. would make things not look so vacant.. hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm yes, good point, Pen...
Pendari Lorentz: but that is another issue =)
Pendari Lorentz: eek!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It is, yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Although... we might also rent some of the homes
during the same period :P
Pendari Lorentz: oh! that is pretty Kendra
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh, wow
Kendra Bancroft: neay huh?
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. If nothing further to add. Summary and Action for
this item: Vote yes or no on this proposal within the next 7 days =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* indeed!
Kendra Bancroft: neat
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, lol
Sudane Erato: yes, great
Satchmo Prototype: adjourned?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sounds like it :)
Kendra Bancroft: all the chalets will be one story on stilts with a
front porch
Pendari Lorentz: Ok. That is the end of our agenda for today. I'll put
together the chatlog and summary and get it out to everyone (and onto
the forums). Please submit proposals for the next meeting at any time
before we have the next one =)
Pendari Lorentz: meeting adjourned and thank you all! =)
Sudane Erato: great Pen!!
Kendra Bancroft: 2 bedrooms, a living room and a kitchenette
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you Pen :)
Sudane Erato: thanks!
Satchmo Prototype: cool, I got two issues I'd like to discuss with
anyone who is intersted in listening
Satchmo Prototype: just want to get peeeps opinions
The meeting closed at 11:55 Linden time.

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09-12-2005 13:58
* Notecard detailing RA Request for Guild Build Proposals

MoCA -
Guild is requested to submit a plan and a budget for the construction of a Museum of Contemporary Art (MoCA) to the RA for its approval. The RA will also encourage the formation of a "MoCA Management" (MoCAM) group, composed in the majority of citizens of Neualtenburg, which will operate the museum, and which will be responsible for paying the monthly fee applicable to the parcel on which the museum sits. All revenues from the operation of the museum will flow to the members of that group. The RA will reserve the right to periodically review the performance of this group and, should it deem it appropriate solicit a new group to assume this responsibility. Should the MoCAM decide to replace the building which the RA has commissioned and the Guild built, it will soley consider the Guild for the design and construction of such a building.


Re-vamped Rathaus
Guild is requested to submit a plan and a budget for the reconstruction of the current Rathaus so that the building can be used as a meeting place for the RA as well as housing our bills and other government information. Due to the Rathaus being on the platz, consideration should be given to the idea of making the RA meeting area and place for information on a 2nd floor, and continue to allow merchant space on the bottom floor.
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09-12-2005 14:02
* Notecard detailing Neualtenburg Currency Proposal

The following actions have been proposed in the forums this week to deal with the fluctuation in the currency exchange rate now going on:
* Base all fees on the US$. The US$ fee does not change without a vote.
* Still accept payments in $L. Set an exchange rate based on GOM plus 5%.
* Hold no assets in L$, instead converting them to US$ as soon as possible.
* Return all prior investments to US$ to recover losses due to inflation.

The Neualtenburg Land Journal, reachable at http://www.tospitimou.com/Neualtenburg/NeualtenburgLandJournal.pdf and thru the website, has been the basis on which all calculations of fees have been made. It uses the US$ as the basis for all the purchase price and monthly fee calculations. At the top of each page is the following box:

[img attached below]

As you can see, both the Land Sale Price and the Monthly Fee Base are denominated in US$.

The important point is the next box. *GOM L$>US$ Exchange Rate*. This was at 250 L$ to the US$ when we set the system up, and we have left that rate for reasons of stability. It is this rate which is no longer at 250, and which is the source of our problem.

The next box, the *City Currency Conversion Fee* is what we now charge on L$ payments. The proposal this week was for 5%. The *0.1* in that box is 10%, so we are already charging a higher rate to convert L$ to US$.

The final box is the calculation for the higher rate inside the walls than outside.

To respond to the published proposals:

1) We already base all fees in US$

2) We will continue to accept payments in L$. We already charge a higher rate than is proposed.

3) There are currently 5 accounts holding city cash, three denominated in L$ and two in US$. These accounts are necessary for city operation. It is certainly the intent of the treasurer to hold as little cash in the L$ accounts as possible.

4) All prior investments have always been held in US$, and interest has been paid in US$.

Therefore, my proposal is that rather that leaving the *GOM L$>US$ Exchange Rate* at the old 250 rate, that each month, at the first of the month, it be recalculated based on the current GOM rate. Then a new *Monthly Fee* chart will be published and distributed, so that for those citizens paying in L$, the amount will be available to them.

I propose that we use this procedure through January 2006, at which time we review the procedure, with an eye to fixing the effective *GOM L$>US$ Exchange Rate* if the Linden becomes stable against the US dollar.
Pendari Lorentz
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Posts: 4,372
09-12-2005 14:04
* Notecard detailing Current Info on SLCC Sponsor Plots


FROM PENDARI'S EMAIL ------

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Second Life Community Convention - www.SLConvention.org <http://www.SLConvention.org>
Sponsor Information
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Hi there!
Congratulations on winning a complimentary 1024M plot at the first annual Second Life Community Convention! Sponsorships are fully transferable, if you win and will not use the space, you will be allowed to transfer that sponsorship to another person. Please contact Hiro Pendragon to make arrangements.
The SLCC is October 8 and 9 in New York City, and the in-world builds will be available for a week, around these days.
Reasons why this is exciting:
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- Exposure
Space to market your organization, products, and/or business, with the promise of lots of people walking around and seeing.
- Be part of history
We are setting the standard for Conventions to come!
- Innovate
SLCC will be held simultaneously at New York Law School and inside Second Life! Streaming video will be set up between the two so that each world can look into the other.

The in-world convention will be four sims, with the main event space in the center.
Land for sponsor space will be surrounding the main Convention area.
In case you wish to increase the size of your tier and help sponsor the event, tier values are as follows:
Donation tiers are as follows: (either US$ / or L$)
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1: 512m - $30 / 8,400L$
2: 1024m - $55 / 15,300L$
3: 2048m - $100 / 27,800L$
4: 2048m, double prim limit - $190 / 52,800L$
In addition, all tiers will get their name listed in the SLCC Program handed out at NYLS, and at the website.
Larger tiers are also available, and include a variety of incentives.
To donate or for more information:
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IM Hiro Pendragon - or email: [email]hiro.pendragon@gmail.com[/email] </ym/Compose?To=hiro.pendragon@gmail.com>
IM FlipperPA Peregrine

Stipulations:
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- Spots will be awarded by SLCC organizers once donation has been paid.
- You may donate to receive more than one spot. You may request that your spots adjoin; organizers will do their best to see this occurs.
- You will need to join the SLCC Sponsor group and all items built on your land must be set to the SLCC Sponsor group.
- No "active" scripted items should be included. (no sensors, listens, timers)
- L$ payments should be made to the resident "SLConvention Control"
- All content must be PG rated and fall within the Community Standards and Terms of Service of Second Life.
- You do not need a premium account.
- Building on another person's land or building over your alotted prims may result in forfeiure of your plot and ejection from the event.
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FROM GWYNETH'S EMAIL ------

Just a brief notice, it seems that I have a 512 m2 plot as well to be used. However, I also think that we should help the convention out by paying a bit ;) They're also interested in exchanging marketing opportunities. One booth announcing the SLCC in the Neualtenburg Expo 2005, for perhaps some extra space at the SLCC. I think we could discuss something like having a 4096 m2 plot for half the price of a 2048 m2 - adding both Pen's and my plot together, and discussing the remaining fee for an exchange in ad space in Neualtenburg. - Gwyn
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09-12-2005 14:05
* Notecard detailing Proposal for Rental Chalets during Holiday Season

FROM SUDANE:

Kendra proposed that during the holiday season a series of temporary rental chalets be constructed and located on City land below the walls. This would bring revenue, and, even more important, new faces. The chalets would not be permanent, since they would be located on land destined to be sold. I proposed that the rental income be split 50/50 between the Guild and the City, and Kendra was very agreeable to that.