Kendra Bancroft
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06-02-2006 07:02
The Neualtenburg Projekt is a group dedicated to virtual-world political experimentation, whose first project was Neualtenburg, a nonprofit cooperative and self-governed community. After a coup in the city on 1 June 2006, the project forked, and the private sim changed its name and theme. The Projekt continues its experimentation, participating in the drafting of founding documents for external groups and forging ahead with the next phase of the Projekt. Neualtenburg and the Neualtenburg Projekt are copyright of Ulrika Zugzwang.
We at the PROJEKT are quite excited by this new phase and details of upcoming Projekts will be forthcoming in the weeks ahead.
A formal announcement of our newest Projekt will be announced next week to coincide with the Rezday celebrations of Ulrika and myself --a week long grand opening of sorts to be listed in the events section.
Thank you for everyone's patience and understanding during this transition, and in the interests of goodwill I would encourage those on the "City's" Scientific Council that were given moderator status to respect the Projekt's wishes and remove yourself as moderators.
I wish you luck with your City and your new forum.
Thankyou,
Kendra Bancroft Neualtenburg Projekt Team Leader and Forum Founder.
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Kevn Klein
God is Love!
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
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06-02-2006 07:48
Did the government renounce control over this forum? I thought they added a new forum and retained constitutional control of this one, to lock or not. I think there would have to be a revision in the documents to remove the SC from controlling this forum.
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Gabe Lippmann
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06-02-2006 07:56
Holy hell.
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Kendra Bancroft
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06-02-2006 07:59
From: Kevn Klein Did the government renounce control over this forum? I thought they added a new forum and retained constitutional control of this one, to lock or not. I think there would have to be a revision in the documents to remove the SC from controlling this forum. They announced the City's Official Forum (that they DO have jurisdiction over) has moved. The SC of your City has jurisdiction only over your City's Official Forum. I will keep threads pertaining to your City's business locked out of respect for the SC of your City's wishes. I will be re-opening those threads that were locked that pertain to broadly philosophical notions and observational matter. This is no longer the City's Forum. This is the Forum for the "Neualtenburg Projekt". The Scientific Council of a City that has no relation any longer to the Neualtenburg Projekt has absolutely no authority on this forum. Any further attempts at hard deleting or locking the threads of the moderator de-jure (Me) will make them guilty of the very same issues that Ulrika was sanctioned for by those same people. Much goodwill could be saved if the SC of your City voluntarily resigns their mod posts rather than having them removed by Linden Staff.
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Unhygienix Gullwing
I banged Pandastrong
Join date: 26 Jun 2004
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06-06-2006 19:52
Kendra, Ulrika.....
As far as I can see, one of the biggest reasons for the recent schizm was that there was a deep misundersanding or disagreement as to where the Neualtenberg *project* and the Neualtenberg *city* separated. If this were to spill over to a RL court battle, the members of the *city* could make a real case that the original copyright holder forsook her rights in the matter by creating a "project" that had only one *project*.... BOTH named Neualtenburg, and then clearly renounced her involvement in one, perhaps both endeavors. A person reading this post may agree or disagree with that argument, but it is not without merits.
I remember when the city was first being formed on Linden-allocated land, there were constant nay-sayers who kept suggesting that a person who wanted government in SL was going to get exactly what they deserved.... more headaches, more bureaucracy, and less legal elbow-room than if LL were simply running the show... also, that due to the land-ownership setup of SL, any government would be *at best* a benevolent dictatorship. Ulrika kept responding that it was an experiment, and (if I remember correctly) spread the message that the idea was to form a government who could outgrow and outlive its founding members. Yet she vested herself with such powers over the "Intellectual Property" associated with the project, that she essentially made it impossible for it to outgrow her or thrive except with her blessings.
Now, you are getting ready to embark on a new community, and repeating *exactly* the same steps that led to the current situation:
1. A new experiment, the only *project* in the "Neualtenberg Projekt". 2. Giving this project the same name again as the "Projekt" which spawned it.
How are the members of this proposed new community to consider their town/port/villa as different, separate, or a subset of the "Neualtenberg Projekt"?
How do you hope to entice new citizens to this community, when they have the same battle to look forward to eventually? This community, if successful, will reach the point where it outgrows or outlasts its creators, but what if those creators refuse to let go of the IP associated with the town?
Have you and Ulrika finally decided to give up the charade of representative government, and run the new community as a benevolent (or not?) dictatorship?
Will Ulrika surrender/donate *all* IP rights, into perpetuity, of this new community, of the name "Neualtenberg"?
If you're not willing to do that, might I suggest that you at least give the new "town" a different name than the "Projekt"? It'll at the very least help to avoid comfusion as to what-is-what.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
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06-06-2006 21:36
From: Unhygienix Gullwing If this were to spill over to a RL court battle, the members of the *city* could make a real case that the original copyright holder forsook her rights in the matter by creating a "project" that had only one *project* Kendra was one of the original two members who never renounced her rights to the name nor left the project. In fact, it was she who stayed a forum moderator, insisted that the city and project are separate, and thus wrested control of the forum from the occupying group. Further, she's now in charge of the next phase and is operating it on her land. Me? I've been relegated to stacking wooden prims in my room for giving birth to a technocratic Frankenstein's monster until I'm sorry enough to apologize to SL.  From: someone How do you hope to entice new citizens to this community, when they have the same battle to look forward to eventually? This community, if successful, will reach the point where it outgrows or outlasts its creators, but what if those creators refuse to let go of the IP associated with the town? From what Kendra has stated, this next project has nothing to do with democracy, rather she is in charge as a benevolent dictator and IP owner. I don't think either of us would dabble again in such a project simply due to the grief it brings everyone. Instead, she's doing a great job of recreating the fun, free, and creative environment N'burg used to have before the bureaucracy crippled it. For me this next phase is about commerce and learning how to do business successfully in a virtual world. I think that answered all your questions. I have to state that Kendra's at a concert right now (Joan Jett), so I'm doing my best to describe what she has in mind. There might be some things I've missed or misrepresented.  ~Ulrika~
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Kendra Bancroft
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06-06-2006 22:00
From: Ulrika Zugzwang Kendra was one of the original two members who never renounced her rights to the name nor left the project. In fact, it was she who stayed a forum moderator, insisted that the city and project are separate, and thus wrested control of the forum from the occupying group. Further, she's now in charge of the next phase and is operating it on her land. Me? I've been relegated to stacking wooden prims in my room for giving birth to a technocratic Frankenstein's monster until I'm sorry enough to apologize to SL.  From what Kendra has stated, this next project has nothing to do with democracy, rather she is in charge as a benevolent dictator and IP owner. I don't think either of us would dabble again in such a project simply due to the grief it brings everyone. Instead, she's doing a great job of recreating the fun, free, and creative environment N'burg used to have before the bureaucracy crippled it. For me this next phase is about commerce and learning how to do business successfully in a virtual world. I think that answered all your questions. I have to state that Kendra's at a concert right now (Joan Jett), so I'm doing my best to describe what she has in mind. There might be some things I've missed or misrepresented.  ~Ulrika~ You did fine, but I'd also add that Phase III of the Neualtenburg Projekt is not the only projekt currently in the works either. I am already in prep for Phases IV and V --plus there are side projekts which while under the Neualtenburg Projekt banner have little or nothing to do with the name of Neualtenburg. These projekts at various stages of development that have been in the works for over a year. They will be announced as they are feasible to launch, but most involve branding and franchising concepts (some already tried and failed) and research into other societies in SL and how they work. Yes --I have alt spys...they have been part of the Projekt from the beginning as well --and anyone that checked their profile would see their involvement with the group. I have been with the Projekt since it began, and longer than the City of Neualtenburg has existed -The Projekt existed before even My and Ulrika's entry into that auspicious contest of Haney's. Even while a citizen of the City, The Projekt under the auspices of the Altenburg Gruppe attempted a city in Takalo called Isenland, Home of Time Traveling Vikings (essentially a city subsisting on reselling items gathered all over SL) --which sadly didnt succeed as I had hoped --though much of my experience in looking for people to join me there led me to the techniques I'm employing in Phase III --Port Neualtenburg. As I have stated in these forums Phase IV will be "Colonial Neualtenburg" , and Phase V "The Synod". Phase III is just the first one I have that is packaged well enough to announce publicly on the forums. As far as any misunderstanding by City members --I have no idea why --as its clearly spelled out in the "Neualtenburg" Group charter. Oh --and The Joan Jett concert was fucking awesome.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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06-06-2006 22:12
From: Kendra Bancroft Oh --and The Joan Jett concert was fucking awesome. Excellent!  ~Ulrika~
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Kendra Bancroft
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06-06-2006 22:13
From: Ulrika Zugzwang Excellent!  ~Ulrika~ Joan threw a guitar pick into my cleavage! Does it get better than that?
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