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Resizer Script Preference for SL Hair???

Groovebunny Shabazz
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06-22-2009 10:26
Hiya everyone. I recently got back into creating hair in sl and would like some feedback on preference. I reopened my hair shop last month with a few styles in small and med, mod/copy versions and those have been selling well. However, for all my new styles created specifically for this year's hair fair, I made them no mod/copy/no trans with resizers since that seems to be the newest thing with hair for hair makers. On one had I understand the need for creators to do this as it helps protect sculpt maps and textures...etc. However, I received a comment from a client that wearing my hair caused her huge lag and she asked for a non-scripted version, mod version of the style she purchased. While I didn't notice any difference in lag or rezz time on my end, I do understand that for some folks, depending on what they're running lag is a serious issue. Does anyone have a preference on scripted vs. non-scripted hair? Because of my client's comment, I'm actually thinking at some point I may do the scripted and unscripted versions and let my clients decide what they want. But that will mean more prims used in my shop to sell the different versions...

I'd really appreciate hearing what everyone else might think about this. Thanks and stay lovely!
Argent Stonecutter
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06-22-2009 10:48
I wouldn't buy no-mod hair ever again. It's way too hard to customize for a ferret no matter how good the resizing scripts are.

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Darion Rasmuson
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06-22-2009 10:53
I avoid buying no mod hair. One of my fave designers sells hair with scripts and no mod, and damn I'm gonna want that hair real bad before getting it.

I have hair where the seller has a scripted and a non scripted version in the box and find that very customer friendly.

Oh and if the hair is "no copy" I go somewhere else.
Groovebunny Shabazz
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06-22-2009 10:58
Actually that little ferret did a good job resizing her wig! lol Thanks for the reply Argent!
Groovebunny Shabazz
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06-22-2009 11:05
From: Darion Rasmuson
I avoid buying no mod hair. One of my fave designers sells hair with scripts and no mod, and damn I'm gonna want that hair real bad before getting it.

I have hair where the seller has a scripted and a non scripted version in the box and find that very customer friendly.

Oh and if the hair is "no copy" I go somewhere else.


Thanks for commenting Darion. :) I def agree on the no copy hair. The more and more I think about it, the two versions will be the best route to go..offering the customer their choice is always best. Thanks!
Fizz Savira
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06-22-2009 16:50
Another thing I've seen hair sellers do is add a command to the script the delete the resize scripts from the hair after it's been sized to the customers satisfaction. As long as the hair is copyable AND the customer makes a backup (which your instructions need to clearly state), things should work out well.

A little idea I had -- put a copy of the unmodified hair, with scripts, in the hair itself. When the customer hits the "delete all scripts" button, give them the object first. That might save some IM's :)

Mind you, I have no idea if that would work...
Malia Writer
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06-22-2009 17:08
I want copy/mod, unscripted hair. Period.
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Ceera Murakami
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06-22-2009 18:18
Add another lady who will absolutely NEVER buy no-mod hair.

I'm a furry, and depending on which avatar I am wearing at the time, my head size and shape varies tremendously, and often includes shapes and proportions impossible for a Human. If the hair is mod, I can adjust it to fit each avatar. If it is no-mod, it is no sale, no matter if there are multiple sizes in the box or a resizer script of some sort. No resizer has even been made that will cope with heads that are not of Human proportions.

The only way I would consider hair with a resizer script, even solely for my Human forms, would be if it was copyable, and if after using the resizer script to attempt to resize a copy, there was a "dump the scripts" command, for eliminating the resizing scripts completely from that copy.
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Nika Talaj
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06-22-2009 20:00
I want copy/mod hair as well. I have one avatar with a slightly odd-sized head, and I like to make a few individual prims wider rather than upsizing the entire hair. Also, with some stylists, (Mau & Mej come to mind), I prefer a slightly different hairline around the nape of the neck, and am happy to do that mod myself.

If you MUST put scripts in the hair, definitely provide some way to remove them. Adding 200 scripts to your avatar has to be lagerific, mono or not. However, I find this process tedious myself. I'd much rather put the hair on, do a quick manual resize, and go. Also, twice I've gotten hairpacks from a very popular maker where the "remove scripts" command was broken. The maker sent me an unbroken pack within two days of my dropping the notecard on him, but still ....
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Groovebunny Shabazz
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06-22-2009 22:14
From: Fizz Savira
Another thing I've seen hair sellers do is add a command to the script the delete the resize scripts from the hair after it's been sized to the customers satisfaction. As long as the hair is copyable AND the customer makes a backup (which your instructions need to clearly state), things should work out well.

A little idea I had -- put a copy of the unmodified hair, with scripts, in the hair itself. When the customer hits the "delete all scripts" button, give them the object first. That might save some IM's :)

Mind you, I have no idea if that would work...


very good suggestions fizz thanks so much. :) i may have to try your idea. even if it doesn't work...it'll be fun trying to make it work lol.
Groovebunny Shabazz
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06-22-2009 22:35
From: Malia Writer
I want copy/mod, unscripted hair. Period.


I agree malia. I think the reason so many hair makers have gone the no mod/copy resize script route is to protect textures they've created. After doing a bit of playing around, I've found that I can still protect my custom textures in a mod hair. my project for this week is to wash the resize scripts from the hair i currently have up at hair fair so that when the fair ends i can get the unscripted styles up in my shop. if i'm able to tp into hair fair before then, i may replace what's currently there...but the tremendous lag might make that impossible.

i've just sent off unscripted mod/copy replacements to the customer who contacted me this morning. i'm really glad she contacted me since i really thought customers wanted resize scripts.

i guess based on the response on this thread, my next question on how people feel about texture changing scripted hair has been answered lol.
Groovebunny Shabazz
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06-22-2009 22:37
From: Ceera Murakami
Add another lady who will absolutely NEVER buy no-mod hair.

I'm a furry, and depending on which avatar I am wearing at the time, my head size and shape varies tremendously, and often includes shapes and proportions impossible for a Human. If the hair is mod, I can adjust it to fit each avatar. If it is no-mod, it is no sale, no matter if there are multiple sizes in the box or a resizer script of some sort. No resizer has even been made that will cope with heads that are not of Human proportions.

The only way I would consider hair with a resizer script, even solely for my Human forms, would be if it was copyable, and if after using the resizer script to attempt to resize a copy, there was a "dump the scripts" command, for eliminating the resizing scripts completely from that copy.


i can def see the need for mod/copy for a furry. which brings to mind...i don't recall seeing much style offerings specifically for furrys at hair fair this year. hmmm...
Groovebunny Shabazz
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06-22-2009 22:41
From: Nika Talaj
I want copy/mod hair as well. I have one avatar with a slightly odd-sized head, and I like to make a few individual prims wider rather than upsizing the entire hair. Also, with some stylists, (Mau & Mej come to mind), I prefer a slightly different hairline around the nape of the neck, and am happy to do that mod myself.

If you MUST put scripts in the hair, definitely provide some way to remove them. Adding 200 scripts to your avatar has to be lagerific, mono or not. However, I find this process tedious myself. I'd much rather put the hair on, do a quick manual resize, and go. Also, twice I've gotten hairpacks from a very popular maker where the "remove scripts" command was broken. The maker sent me an unbroken pack within two days of my dropping the notecard on him, but still ....
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My avi's head size is actually pretty small. Before I started building my own hair I was constantly tweeking this and that on my fave hair styles. The feedback here has def made me change my mind on the resize script. while it seemed like a good idea at the time, i can see it's def not a perfect solution. Thanks so much!
Argent Stonecutter
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06-23-2009 04:49
From: Groovebunny Shabazz

i guess based on the response on this thread, my next question on how people feel about texture changing scripted hair has been answered lol.
Since you can get by with a single texture-changing script in the root prim, there's really no lag-related issues there. The hair should still be mod, of course.
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Govindira Galatea
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Hating no-mod scripted hair!
06-23-2009 08:28
This!!!
From: Malia Writer
I want copy/mod, unscripted hair. Period.


To those who sell no-mod scripted hair: 99.99% of your customers are not thieves. We bought the hair to be pretty/beautiful/handsome, not to steal your textures and designs. The thieves will steal regardless of your scripted no-mod methods, using copybot, and you can't stop them. But you prevent us from the happy enjoyment of our purchases from you. Please stop using the no-mod scripted method.
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06-23-2009 09:07
From: Argent Stonecutter
Since you can get by with a single texture-changing script in the root prim, there's really no lag-related issues there. The hair should still be mod, of course.


Plus it is easy to get rid of the script if it is only in the root prim.
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Groovebunny Shabazz
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06-23-2009 12:15
From: Govindira Galatea
This!!!


To those who sell no-mod scripted hair: 99.99% of your customers are not thieves. We bought the hair to be pretty/beautiful/handsome, not to steal your textures and designs. The thieves will steal regardless of your scripted no-mod methods, using copybot, and you can't stop them. But you prevent us from the happy enjoyment of our purchases from you. Please stop using the no-mod scripted method.


Thanks for the comment Govindira. I totally agree with you that the majority of hair customers are not thieves. I'm already sending out mod/copy/no trans copies of hair to individuals who made a purchase and prefer the non-scripted version. And for individuals who contact me just to say they love their new hair, I'm also offering them they non-scripted version but so far have no takers on that front. So while the resizer script seems beneficial for some, it definitely is not beneficial for all. Better to offer both options it seems at least for a happy medium.
Groovebunny Shabazz
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06-23-2009 12:20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Argent Stonecutter
Since you can get by with a single texture-changing script in the root prim, there's really no lag-related issues there. The hair should still be mod, of course


From: Cheree Bury
Plus it is easy to get rid of the script if it is only in the root prim.


Very true. All I really want to do in sl is create hair that people enjoy wearing on their avi's. I really appreciate everyone's comments on this and will continue my script scrubbing project...
Malia Writer
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06-23-2009 16:42
From: Groovebunny Shabazz
i guess based on the response on this thread, my next question on how people feel about texture changing scripted hair has been answered lol.
I have never changed the texture of hair, because I like what I buy, but I frequently use the color picker to tint my hair to match a certain outfit/skin.
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06-25-2009 22:55
And thank you for listening! :) Keep listening to your customers and that will be a big part of the success you will enjoy.
From: Groovebunny Shabazz
Thanks for the comment Govindira. I totally agree with you that the majority of hair customers are not thieves. I'm already sending out mod/copy/no trans copies of hair to individuals who made a purchase and prefer the non-scripted version. And for individuals who contact me just to say they love their new hair, I'm also offering them they non-scripted version but so far have no takers on that front. So while the resizer script seems beneficial for some, it definitely is not beneficial for all. Better to offer both options it seems at least for a happy medium.
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