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Tinker Thetan

Sporadic SL Resident

Join date: 5 May 2004

Posts: 51

07-07-2004 13:55

I was wondering if an avatar can go underground. Lets say could I maybe place an opening to a dungeon on my land?

Also,

No I don't think it's me. The forum groupings keep changing don't they?!?!

What gives? I thought there was a forum grouping for discussing changes to the world. Every time I post I have to figure out where best to post my questions. No fair!

Ryen Jade

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Join date: 21 Jun 2003

Posts: 1,329

07-07-2004 14:00

no

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Tinker Thetan

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Join date: 5 May 2004

Posts: 51

That's it. Just like that?

07-07-2004 14:20

But isn't there space under that hill over there? What's happening with that space? I'm told I can go as high as I want but there's nothing just below ground level. Hmmm...

Weird. Maybe the Lindens are hiding something...

Maybe there are Morlocks as well as Lindens. Hmmm...

I thought things were a little too perfect in second life.

Hmmm...

Selador Cellardoor

Registered User

Join date: 16 Nov 2003

Posts: 3,082

07-07-2004 14:50

Tinker,

Ignore the rudeness of the last poster.

It's not possible to actually burrow underground. But it is possible to make a passable imitation of a cave by covering a valley with prims textured to look like the ground. I have seen very convincing 'underground' rooms created this way.

Selador Cellardoor

Registered User

Join date: 16 Nov 2003

Posts: 3,082

07-07-2004 14:51

... and yes, the forums do keep changing, and it's a matter of great annoyance to many of us.

Tiger Crossing

The Prim Maker

Join date: 18 Aug 2003

Posts: 1,560

07-07-2004 14:51

Actually, the world is build like a mobius strip. Go far enough away from where you started, and you'll be walking on the underside of the ground. You can prove this by finding the sims that have mirrored landscapes... Hills in one where the other has valleys. So that space is used. If you want a cave, dig a hole (which will be a hill in some other sim) and put a big rock over it.

(I'm serious about the hole-with-a-rock-on-it bit, at least...)

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Tinker Thetan

Sporadic SL Resident

Join date: 5 May 2004

Posts: 51

A mobius Strip? (questions on the nature of second life world)

07-08-2004 07:41

I mean, yes, I know what a mobius strip is, but I don't understand. I remember a sim went off line right after the version 1.4 client, so I moved over to where it should have been to see what this would look like. There was a large square chunck just missing from the world and my avatar could not pass inside this area. It was cool.

There were several other sims that also went off line.

Were these sims the mobius reflection of the one I was looking at?

Do these reflected sims occur in some sort of discernable pattern?

If each sim is run on a separate Linux box in a cluster, then are these boxes somehow synchronized?

Would they need to be?

Goodwrench Grayson

Classic Gaming Nut

Join date: 18 Jun 2004

Posts: 223

07-08-2004 08:35

Like, deep man.

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Jake Cellardoor

CHM builder

Join date: 27 Mar 2003

Posts: 528

07-08-2004 12:13

Tiger was kidding; the world is NOT built like a Moebius strip.

As for what you saw: If you're at the edge of the world (a sim border where there is no adjacent sim), you can move your viewpoint camera to see beneath the surface a little bit. But you can't actually hollow out a tunnel or anything. You just have to dig a hole, and then make a roof out of prims.

Angel Leviathan

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Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 440

07-08-2004 12:22

As they said, you can't tunnel. I wish we could though. It would be neat to have underground caverns, homes, whatever. If I were an elf, I would be a Drow elf, and Drow prefer to be deep underground.

I have a question. I know that it is not possible, and I seriously doubt the ability to tunnel will ever happen with this engine, but am I worng? Is it possible that they could change the world so someday we could tunnel? Anyone?

Jack Digeridoo

machinimaniac

Join date: 29 Jul 2003

Posts: 1,170

07-08-2004 12:35

From: someone

Originally posted by Angel Leviathan
If I were an elf, I would be a Drow elf, and Drow prefer to be deep underground.

Like Drizzt?

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Jake Cellardoor

CHM builder

Join date: 27 Mar 2003

Posts: 528

07-08-2004 12:41

At a guess, I'd say it will be a long time before they add that functionality. Right now, the terrain of a sim is represented as a .raw file, which I believe is just a height map; one z value for each x,y location. Adding tunneling would mean storing an arbitrary number of z values for each x,y location. And considering how our viewpoint camera is preventing from moving underground, doing that kind of clipping for a volume that could potentially resemble Swiss chess sounds like more trouble than it's worth.

Angel Leviathan

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Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 440

07-08-2004 12:51

From: someone

Originally posted by Jack Digeridoo
Like Drizzt?

Yeas, forgotten realms Drow are just neat.

Angel Leviathan

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Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 440

07-08-2004 12:52

From: someone

Originally posted by Jake Cellardoor
At a guess, I'd say it will be a long time before they add that functionality. Right now, the terrain of a sim is represented as a .raw file, which I believe is just a height map; one z value for each x,y location. Adding tunneling would mean storing an arbitrary number of z values for each x,y location. And considering how our viewpoint camera is preventing from moving underground, doing that kind of clipping for a volume that could potentially resemble Swiss chess sounds like more trouble than it's worth.

Maybe someday.

Codswallop Cassidy

Registered User

Join date: 30 Dec 2003

Posts: 53

07-09-2004 15:38

one thing Ive seen people do is fake it by raising the top land, lowering the tunnel land, then building a prim ceiling over it.

Its quite convincing , moreso than it sounds

Shepra Zapata

Registered User

Join date: 1 Apr 2004

Posts: 32

07-16-2004 17:50

*trips and stumbles* *Cough *cough, OH sorry I guess I dug to far but hey look like I landed in the right spot. Hmmm Digging a hole in sim ground now there is an Idea I say some one should start a sign up sheet for that and send it to the lindens lol make all of us a bunch of lil gnomes and mice. Anyhoo best try to get back to where I started from * starts climbing up* Oh hey look at that I can see up someone's skirt (HELLO UP THERE- I SAY HELLO NICE DAY TO GO COMMANDO HUH)

Can an avatar go underground?
Tinker Thetan Sporadic SL Resident Join date: 5 May 2004 Posts: 51	07-07-2004 13:55 I was wondering if an avatar can go underground. Lets say could I maybe place an opening to a dungeon on my land? Also, No I don't think it's me. The forum groupings keep changing don't they?!?! What gives? I thought there was a forum grouping for discussing changes to the world. Every time I post I have to figure out where best to post my questions. No fair!
Ryen Jade This is a takeover! Join date: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1,329	07-07-2004 14:00 no _____________________ From: Korg Stygian Between you, Ryen the twerp and Ardith, there's little to change my opinion here.. rather you have reinforced it each in your own ways IM A TWERP, IM A TWERP! Whats a twerp?
Tinker Thetan Sporadic SL Resident Join date: 5 May 2004 Posts: 51	That's it. Just like that? 07-07-2004 14:20 But isn't there space under that hill over there? What's happening with that space? I'm told I can go as high as I want but there's nothing just below ground level. Hmmm... Weird. Maybe the Lindens are hiding something... Maybe there are Morlocks as well as Lindens. Hmmm... I thought things were a little too perfect in second life. Hmmm...
Selador Cellardoor Registered User Join date: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,082	07-07-2004 14:50 Tinker, Ignore the rudeness of the last poster. It's not possible to actually burrow underground. But it is possible to make a passable imitation of a cave by covering a valley with prims textured to look like the ground. I have seen very convincing 'underground' rooms created this way.
Selador Cellardoor Registered User Join date: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,082	07-07-2004 14:51 ... and yes, the forums do keep changing, and it's a matter of great annoyance to many of us.
Tiger Crossing The Prim Maker Join date: 18 Aug 2003 Posts: 1,560	07-07-2004 14:51 Actually, the world is build like a mobius strip. Go far enough away from where you started, and you'll be walking on the underside of the ground. You can prove this by finding the sims that have mirrored landscapes... Hills in one where the other has valleys. So that space is used. If you want a cave, dig a hole (which will be a hill in some other sim) and put a big rock over it. (I'm serious about the hole-with-a-rock-on-it bit, at least...) _____________________ ~ Tiger Crossing ~ (Nonsanity)
Tinker Thetan Sporadic SL Resident Join date: 5 May 2004 Posts: 51	A mobius Strip? (questions on the nature of second life world) 07-08-2004 07:41 I mean, yes, I know what a mobius strip is, but I don't understand. I remember a sim went off line right after the version 1.4 client, so I moved over to where it should have been to see what this would look like. There was a large square chunck just missing from the world and my avatar could not pass inside this area. It was cool. There were several other sims that also went off line. Were these sims the mobius reflection of the one I was looking at? Do these reflected sims occur in some sort of discernable pattern? If each sim is run on a separate Linux box in a cluster, then are these boxes somehow synchronized? Would they need to be?
Goodwrench Grayson Classic Gaming Nut Join date: 18 Jun 2004 Posts: 223	07-08-2004 08:35 Like, deep man. _____________________ We used to remember our Roots at The Mushroom Kingdom - memorial can be found at Davenport 200, 150 Section 8 Server - my home on the web
Jake Cellardoor CHM builder Join date: 27 Mar 2003 Posts: 528	07-08-2004 12:13 Tiger was kidding; the world is NOT built like a Moebius strip. As for what you saw: If you're at the edge of the world (a sim border where there is no adjacent sim), you can move your viewpoint camera to see beneath the surface a little bit. But you can't actually hollow out a tunnel or anything. You just have to dig a hole, and then make a roof out of prims.
Angel Leviathan X Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 440	07-08-2004 12:22 As they said, you can't tunnel. I wish we could though. It would be neat to have underground caverns, homes, whatever. If I were an elf, I would be a Drow elf, and Drow prefer to be deep underground. I have a question. I know that it is not possible, and I seriously doubt the ability to tunnel will ever happen with this engine, but am I worng? Is it possible that they could change the world so someday we could tunnel? Anyone?
Jack Digeridoo machinimaniac Join date: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 1,170	07-08-2004 12:35 From: someone Originally posted by Angel Leviathan If I were an elf, I would be a Drow elf, and Drow prefer to be deep underground. Like Drizzt? _____________________ If you'll excuse me, it's, it's time to make the world safe for democracy.
Jake Cellardoor CHM builder Join date: 27 Mar 2003 Posts: 528	07-08-2004 12:41 At a guess, I'd say it will be a long time before they add that functionality. Right now, the terrain of a sim is represented as a .raw file, which I believe is just a height map; one z value for each x,y location. Adding tunneling would mean storing an arbitrary number of z values for each x,y location. And considering how our viewpoint camera is preventing from moving underground, doing that kind of clipping for a volume that could potentially resemble Swiss chess sounds like more trouble than it's worth.
Angel Leviathan X Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 440	07-08-2004 12:51 From: someone Originally posted by Jack Digeridoo Like Drizzt? Yeas, forgotten realms Drow are just neat.
Angel Leviathan X Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 440	07-08-2004 12:52 From: someone Originally posted by Jake Cellardoor At a guess, I'd say it will be a long time before they add that functionality. Right now, the terrain of a sim is represented as a .raw file, which I believe is just a height map; one z value for each x,y location. Adding tunneling would mean storing an arbitrary number of z values for each x,y location. And considering how our viewpoint camera is preventing from moving underground, doing that kind of clipping for a volume that could potentially resemble Swiss chess sounds like more trouble than it's worth. Maybe someday.
Codswallop Cassidy Registered User Join date: 30 Dec 2003 Posts: 53	07-09-2004 15:38 one thing Ive seen people do is fake it by raising the top land, lowering the tunnel land, then building a prim ceiling over it. Its quite convincing , moreso than it sounds
Shepra Zapata Registered User Join date: 1 Apr 2004 Posts: 32	07-16-2004 17:50 trips and stumbles Cough cough, OH sorry I guess I dug to far but hey look like I landed in the right spot. Hmmm Digging a hole in sim ground now there is an Idea I say some one should start a sign up sheet for that and send it to the lindens lol make all of us a bunch of lil gnomes and mice. Anyhoo best try to get back to where I started from * starts climbing up* Oh hey look at that I can see up someone's skirt (HELLO UP THERE- I SAY HELLO NICE DAY TO GO COMMANDO HUH)

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