Righteous Indignation

I'm having a lot of fun reading threads on this topic. Seriously, I am.

I think it's great that so many people express their so-called "righteous" anger at what's happening here.

In my experience, those who gripe and shout and moan and wring their hands over price increases are worried about losing out themselves. These statements about LL greed... I think in some cases, they could appropriately be turned back on the person making the accusation.

I'm not saying LL isn't being greedy. I'm just saying I think some "abusers" out there are.

I'm just curious about one or two things. In the blog, it is very clearly stated that the sub-divided, rented OpenSpaces were not what was intended. Oddly enough, even with this statement, I read about landlords getting upset about this price increase. Landlords, mind you, who are using these spaces in ways that "were not intended." Here's where I get curious and wonder why these landlords are getting so upset. If the cost goes up for you, wouldn't you just raise rent on your OpenSpace?

I'm sure somebody is going to point out how wrong am I and how I don't understand all the facts. I don't really care. I post this to express my curiosity, mostly.

Please, if you are going to flame me, don't use arguments about prim counts and avatars. LL made it pretty damned clear why they are doing what they are doing, and it's to get servers to support the current use of these OpenSpaces... or did I read something incorrectly?

It seems to me, in the end, that many will have to suffer because of the actions of a few (so to speak), but isn't this the way of the Real World? Isn't Second Life an extension of the Real World? Won't the good suffer because of the bad? Even if you are a so-called "legitimate" OpenSpace resident, you just got screwed by the big guy, and the guy who used the OpenSpaces "in ways they were not intended to be used." *shrugs*

Get angry. Protest. Holler and yell and maybe even cry. Threaten. Posture.

Or, stop bitching, and deal with it.

If you are one of the truly guilty parties, one of those people who got a great deal and is turning a large profit... or WAS turning a large profit, I really don't care about the "wrongs" you perceive are being done to you. But your frickin' posts are HILARIOUS!!

Cheers!

=D

/me points at the first time newb poster Bishop...

You're wrong.

It's not just those who stand to make money that will lose. It will trickle down all of our legs like warm pee.

Despite the fact this is an obvious trolling alt, born yesterday, broadly speaking I agree with the OP.

And yep..*looking at your post*..yet another idiot moves his lips/fingers without knowing what he's talking about..perhaps you should try another venue..you know..one where you dont' need a brain...have a nice day

all i stand to loose is my home in sl and the little faith i had left in LL to be fair .

OMG I must be really stupid!
I forked out 2100 US$ to buy 1 full sim (1600) and 2 open-spaces (250 each) and its all lost...

It’s the 'little man', the guy/girl with a full sim and one, two or a few Open sims - who just manage to make ends meet and up against the LL land glut and off-level tier policy - that gets punished and will have to abandon his/her sims and go look to realise their dream elsewhere, loosing their hard earned savings in the process… yeah that's me too!

God, it makes me so frustrated!
I have really loved SL and what it gave me, but now it has mostly turned to unhappiness and incomprehension of the major policy decisions made by LL management over the last 1½ year!

I shall have to abandon 1 full and 2 open sims and go look elsewhere; although I would rather stay and work in and with the community on my 3 sims…

Thats all I shall be losing - yeah? Toss it...

Nemo, I don't understand. Why exactly are you losing your SIM?? Even you just distinguished between it and the OpenSpaces...

I also don't understand the "home loss" thing. I'm not losing my home. My regular account is a premium one, I bought a parcel on the Mainland, I pay my land use fee, and it's all good. If I want to make money, I either DJ, or I sell scripted gadgets.

Then again, me being a first-time poster, I'm clearly just "another idiot" with no right to speak on anything. So why bother trying to clear it up for me?

THERE ARE ALWAYS OTHER OPTIONS. Of course, you need to calm down to see them, but that doesn't seem likely to happen with most of you.

I'm OUT!

You being a first time poster is not the reason of you being just another idiot. The content of your posting is.

- Landlords raising the rent with 67% will most certain loose the greater part of their tenants. Leading abandoned sims after all.
- Estate owners who were using the sims for recreational purpose (like water to sail on, forests, and so on) will have to abandon the sims because their profits do not justify 150 dollars per month per open sim, just to please the renters.
- People using the sims to make something pretty for other residents in SL will have to sell out, as their costs are raised with 67%.

Furthermore, no one ever defined light use. Having ones shop on a void sim, where traffic is between 500 and 1000, is that heavy use? Not in my opinion. using 3000 of the 3750 prims, is that heavy use? Not in my opinion. How many avatars, how much script use, is light use? But rather then defining the rules, LL decided to milk the cow. Firs they lured estate owners in buying more open sims or converting their existing sims, then they did thr 67% raise. Don't forget, they actively promoted open sims with their latest changes!

Well Bishop, as you say, there are choices.
I chose to buy 3 sims - one full and 2 open-spaces - on the conditions set up by LL.
We do not all want to live on the mainland - personally I detest most of the mainland, that's just my opinion.

I will have to abandon my 2 open-spaces, as LL is making a 65% price increase on their monthly maintenance fee for an open-space sim.
On each open-space I have 4 residents (well within the usage limit) paying tier and thus the sims barely pay for themselves.
There is no way the residents will stay if I raise their tier by 65% - and I certainly can't afford to just keep the sims on my own budget - I'm by no means wealthy.
I bought the sims in good faith for my savings because I have/had a dream about creating a beautiful, peaceful place where a small community could live their SL lives and make their homes.
So, I'll have to abandon the open-spaces (and my dream) and lose my money.

You are right about the full sim, I don't necessarily have to abandon that; but it's part of the set up with the 2 open-spaces and as things stand at the moment, I can't really imagine keeping it; but I may change my mind - yes I'm a bit bitter too.

About loosing ones home - I didn't mention that, I guess you refer to Lostmedia Ares.
I can only speculate that Lostmedia is losing his/her home because a sim owner must abandon the sim Lostmedia has chosen to live on.

All this seems to be just laughable to you - well, as I said, enjoy your laugh...
I really don't have much sympathy for people who gloat over others misfortune - sorry!





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Bishop,

no disrespect intended but you're either too naive or pretend to be (I choose the 2nd).

You can enjoy reading threads and you can continue eating what you are served.

Just be careful cause forum posters may decide to charge you for the fun they are giving you as entertainers

Soy Nakamori

I think *get a life* is the only appropriate response to this chappie!

It's like going to a store and buy a super modern wrist clock, see.


The clock however only works during the day, at night it stops, but in the morning it catches up with the time cause it has wireless.


After a month, the store sends us a letter and a bill saying that the clock doesn't work at night as intended and so, to fix this we must pay extra 50$ to "improve" it to work correctly OR return the clock.


And this is their current model of business. They get the money, and then get your stuff back!
Because... ohh, maybe because there's no real competition, right?

Good for them !

I suck with quotes, but the following is copied right from the Knowledge Base. Let's all look closely at the last paragraph.

Knowledge Base
Second Life Info > Second Life by Role > Landowners >
Information about Openspaces (Void Regions)

What are Openspaces and what do they cost?

Please refer to Openspace Pricing and Policy Changes effecive January 1, 2009.

For those estate owners wishing to provide empty areas such as water, hills and forest -- we offer Openspaces, light use regions sometimes referred to as voids.

Openspaces can be bought singly, for a setup fee of USD$250, followed by a monthly fee of USD$75 per month. An existing region can also be converted into four Openspaces, although you cannot convert your last remaining region.

Each Openspace region is limited to only 3750 prims.
Tip: You must own a private region to be able to own an Openspace.



Why are they "light" use?

Normal regions run on their own dedicated CPU, but the Openspace regions run four per CPU; as you would expect, this limits their performance. Openspaces only ever share with other Openspaces on a server.

It is therefore important to understand what these regions are. They are provided for light use only, not for building, living in, renting as homes or use for events. As a stretch of open water for boating or a scenic wooded area they are fine, but we do not advise more serious use than this and will not respond to performance issues reported should you not use them in this way.

That's fine.

I want 16 OpenSpace SIMs of mine in 1 physical server. I don't care about my SIM's performance.

Also, if I own 1 openspace SIM on a physical server with 15 other openspaces, I will NOT bug SL about its performance.

Thank you very much for clearing out, Bishop.

BTW, Bishop, you still act the way I described above. It's another insult to our intelligence.

Soy

UMMMM

Bishop:

Do you have any idea whatsoever of what you can build with 3750 PRIMS ??????????


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Also you need to understand what ADVISE means. It does NOT mean we disallow. It means we suggest you do not use because it will go slow.

Soy

Indeed. If we follow what the Lindens suggest, we get 3750 trees. ^_^,

If you give someone resources that they pay to recieve, chances are they will use them. The suggestion that is being thrown around, and even being considered by the Lindens (as it was mentioned in their last blog), is creating a "poor man's SIM" that serves the purpose that "abused" Open SIMs were being used for. However we can expect that such a SIM will come with restrictions to lessen the amount of rental use. Perhaps the inability to have more than one parcel, but still have group ownership capabilities.

I can suggest one of two things.
A) Buy an Open SIM now while the startup cost is less, expecting the monthly fee of $125.
B) Wait and see what changes and possiblities the customer feedback induces.

I might consider option A, but I'm going to wait until early December to see what happens before getting the Open SIM I wanted. Indeed I want to use it for more than just a void of forest or ocean, however I'm the only one using it, so I have control over how much script and prim output is being generated.