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Vlademir DeSantis
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Join date: 15 Jun 2008
Posts: 3
11-02-2008 09:20
I know alot of people are upset and I am one of these people. LL did say they were intended for oceans, forests, light use. LL also said that there was nothing wrong with the heavy use that people used them for as well. Houses, ect. I do understand the problems it can cause and I am willing to pay for the heavy use. Here is soemthing that may work, and please numbers are just a suggestion. Here are two suggestions:

Light Use Openpsace Sim:

Prims Allowed: 3750? I think this is a good number to have with low use and traffic, it gives you enough to detail your enviroment.
Price: Keep the price what it is because thats the original intent on the sim and wouldnt be fair to raise it to those using it for that purpose.

Heavy Use Sim: Possibly increase the prims allowed to 5000. People including myself love to use them for residential, commercial type areas that gives us a good amount of space to be creative at a cost we can afford.
Price: Make the price adjustment on these types of sims since these were the ones putting the strain. 150.00 usd a month? Anything higher than that

One thing we can all agree on I believe is, people want enough room to be creative. if you make a product that people love, at a price they can afford, not only do you make a much bigger profit in the long run, but you keep people coming back for more. I think if LL used this logic, it would make most people happy.
nikita2 Denimore
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Join date: 28 Oct 2008
Posts: 130
could LL sell OS to individuals
11-02-2008 12:50
Is it possible that LL could sell OS to individuals who are not estate owners
A great many of these OS were bought strictly to generate profits by estate owners
While i would find the increase affordable with my 20% exchange rate to US funds the mark up of the estate owner only drives it up further,his mark up being $51 monthly for my situation
So the $125 increase translates to approx $190 for me
I would prefer to buy an OS from LL and pay tier directly to LL
Now i know many estate owner have many OS rented to people and stand to lose a lot of money through this rise of tier,but the increase affects those of us who own/rent from estate owners also
As much as they (estate owners) will be hit hard by the increase so will those of us who rent from them
I love my OS and if i could afford it i would buy a 15000 prim island,but i can't,too much money in tier for me
I agree with the above post,but it would be more realistic without the middle man
Georgette Whitfield
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Join date: 11 Mar 2007
Posts: 20
11-02-2008 13:32
Or they could just admit they screwed up big time and withdraw the price hike! Blizzard recently introduced a zombie infestation in WoW which was unpopular with a lot of customers. People complained on the forums etc. Blizzard heard what their customers wanted and they acted on it and removed the new 'feature'. They had the guts to do what LL has not done and that is to step up and admit that they screwed up and to put things right.

This is why WoW has 11 million subscribers. That's subscribers, not members. Paying subscribers so the equivalent to SL Premium Account. In the SL economy stats, I couldn't find anywhere the number of premium account users, but anyway there are only 15 million registered SL residents and most of those are free users. This is despite the fact that SL is of much broader appeal than WoW, so in theory it should have a larger amount of subscribers.

There is a lesson to be learned here. It's that old adage: "Give the people what they want, and they'll come out for it." LL unfortunately still haven't cottoned on.
Vlademir DeSantis
Registered User
Join date: 15 Jun 2008
Posts: 3
Making two different types of Openspace sims
11-02-2008 14:01
yeah im simply suggesting having two types of openspace sims, rename if you wish. But if we leave the opensim market the way it is, prices and such, and create a whole new type of sim, with the intention of people using them for heavy use. I think just making a sim available for those that want to use it as heavy use will be much easier than giving the shaft to those that have them for light use.

Owner rents wont change much, those that want the land for residential or heavy use will be happy to pay the little extra for it, but please toss in some extra prims. People that use Openspace sims can keep them. I would suggest the following: Please LL, remove the restriction to buying open space sims to only those that have purchased Full sims, you will find alot of people investing into them if you do.

Openspace Sim as intented: Light Use
Prims: 1750 (more than enough if just trees or water)
Cost: Keep it what it is
You please those that use it for its correct function.

Residential Sim: Heavy Use
Prims: 5000 Prims (This can be used as a econmy type sim for those of us that cant afford a Full sim)
nikita2 Denimore
Registered User
Join date: 28 Oct 2008
Posts: 130
11-02-2008 18:27
From: Vlademir DeSantis
yeah im simply suggesting having two types of openspace sims, rename if you wish. But if we leave the opensim market the way it is, prices and such, and create a whole new type of sim, with the intention of people using them for heavy use. I think just making a sim available for those that want to use it as heavy use will be much easier than giving the shaft to those that have them for light use.

Owner rents wont change much, those that want the land for residential or heavy use will be happy to pay the little extra for it, but please toss in some extra prims. People that use Openspace sims can keep them. I would suggest the following: Please LL, remove the restriction to buying open space sims to only those that have purchased Full sims, you will find alot of people investing into them if you do.

Openspace Sim as intented: Light Use
Prims: 1750 (more than enough if just trees or water)
Cost: Keep it what it is
You please those that use it for its correct function.

Residential Sim: Heavy Use
Prims: 5000 Prims (This can be used as a econmy type sim for those of us that cant afford a Full sim)


I fully agree as long as the middle man is not selling/renting these to others and LL is,the middle man just drives the price up further
A whole new real estate market was created by these OS with estate owners buying them by the thousands to re sell for profit on the tier
I would like one and pay for the tier LL charges and no more,there is no reason that can't happen,an extra $51 a month to the estate owner is a little much and that is what i will be paying come jan/09 (plus 20% exchange rate to US currency)
Sorry estate owners but we who cannot buy an OS other than from you,have a voice too,now i'm sure,in fact i know there are many estate owners charging a lot less tier increase for profit than i'm paying,if this increase goes through and and estate owners remain the only ones who can purchase OS,well,i will be out there comparing prices of tier

Actually i just did the math,i used to pay my tier and never gave it much thought until all this broke loose.
I am paying $45 above the $75 tier to my estate agent so his profit right now is $45
When and if the increase goes through as presented by LL,i will be paying $51 above the $125 increase
So he has used this little fiasco to slide in a further increase to his profits.

LL PLEASE LISTEN TO THE LITTLE PEOPLE TOO,CHANGE THINGS SO INDIVIDUALS CAN BUY OS DIRECTLY FROM YOU,OR IF YOU DECIDE TO COME UP WITH OTHER SOLUTIONS REGARDING ISLANDS FOR SALE,MAKE THEM ACCESSIBLE TO INDIVIDUALS
THERE IS NO NEED FOR US TO BE PAYING SUCH HUGE MARK UP PROFITS TO ESTATE OWNERS
YOU WOULD THING THEY WOULD REDUCE OR NOT INCREASE THEIR MARK UP AT THIS TIME.
I'M NOT SMEARING ALL ESTATE OWNER WITH THE SAME BRUSH HERE JUST TELLING WHAT THIS INCREASE MEANS TO ME