Price increase a load of s**t!!!

damn LL, where the f**k are we supposed 2 get $125 a month from?!!?!? AND ur increasing the initial price. i see now price decrease anywhere else, money grabbing ***** ******* **** *******!"%*£!$&%!$£!!!!!

Cancel this price increase now!?! who's with me??? if enough people fight it they may change their mind (they have in the past)

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LL isn't gonna cancel the price increase at all....

I'm totally on the fence about this issue....

First off, yes they should have at least tried to rectify the situation by confronting those that are abusing the system. Leave the owners that are doing what they are supposed to alone. But as the saying goes... a few bad apples ruin the bunch....

Heck even if they had like a concierge town hall meeting with all the land owner that they could fit in there to explain the issue and potential options would have at least soothed the riots...

Now I can see and yes hope that the idea behind this is to help improve the stability on these open space islands since they would then have more resources.... I'm probably being naive but humor me here...

It is LL's fault that they did not monitor the policies for open sims.... Honestly.. how can they have not known that people were going to put things meant for a full island on an open sim... Hellooo LL... an Island for a fraction of the price.... less cost for a club owner, store owner, etc.

I'm sure that LL will feel some burn from this policy... the policy has its merits and its insanities... People who game and abuse the system ruin it for everyone... LL could have just pulled the plug on the whole open space thing (not that they would).

If you are upset with this new policy then use the power of the purse and do something like drop your open space, tier down, go back to basic or just liquidate your assests and leave SL... While I'm not advocating a mass exodus from SL, everyone has to gang up on the system abusers and not on LL alone....(Not advocating griefing said abusers either). Everything is still in the air on the open space issue, while we can put our input there is no guarantee that LL will completely listen to those who pay their salaries. Unfortunatly, we need to take a backseat until we see what is going to happen and then decide what we ourselves will do individually.

abusing the system, where? I keep seeing this abusing word. If I sell you something with 3750 prim I would figure that you would use a couple thousand prim and leave some prim for specail events. How would that be abuse? People you need to focus here. This isnt about abuse, this isnt about performance. Its about having a very popular product and LL wanting a bigger peice of that pie.

Considering the blog post said that most openspaces were being used incorrectly then you may well find that your gang won't have anywhere near as many numbers as the other gang

When the scenario is as LL describe then it's not a user issue, it simply can't be, it's a product issue, a product that is still on sale but is obviously not fit for purpose. The blame is with Linden Lab on this one and they need to take responsibility.

LL wants a bigger piece of the pie because of the overload caused by heavy use of these open sims. I think most of us can remember that LL saying that the open space sims were meant for light use such as to bring back sailing opportunities without having to run into banlines or even to keep a nice ocean view.

I know a buddy who did rent an open space sim and it was light residential. Most of the area was open beach with a house in one corner.

I do agree that it was a popular product, however it was mis-used by some who decided to test the limits of these areas and the servers. If you use more resources, should you not pay for the extra upkeep that is needed? Its not fair to those who just want a protected beach front or pretty forest area.



My words are being twisted here (meh it happens.. not much I can do about that). What I guess I should have said was that everyone who is using these spaces in the "right" way needs to band together to prove to LL to possibly reconsider and take actions on those that are deliberately using more than their fair share. LL can easily pin point where the problem spots are. And I never said that LL was not responsible. What I said was that the entire blame can not be solely on LL. Yes they were vague on what was allowed vs disallowed and that is their own fault... However they can not be completely blamed from those that took advantage of that vagueness.

The idea of open space works and does it general purpose, what LL needs to do is not assume that a price hike will solve the problem. I really wish though, that they consulted those who pay the Island fees and tier because they are the ones directly affected right now.

Additionally, LL will only give the take it or leave it response... Sad as it is.

Now like I said before, if enough people hit them in the pocketbook then they may look at in a new light... Money talks and it talks loudly...

Cancel your classifieds (if you have one), or reduce it to the minimum (50$L), this is the only way to hit LL pocket without much troubles for us (they are "good" just as additional picks when yoy finished the space there). Cancel these crazy 2000 usd per week (!!!) classifieds and do something concrete.

This post is over a week old ... why dig it up ?


While im here though ... the OP is right ... wrong way to dispalay his / her feelings ...Non the less ... spot on .

Im responding here because I cant read through 3500 posts in the other thread!

I can see this problem from both sides.

From what I have learned LL released OS explaining it was for light use perhaps ocean forest and you MUST have full sim to attch it to.

Then they changed the rules and allowed anyone to have one and place it anywhere so they didnt need to have a "real" sim or island.

Then they increased the prim allowance..

Then they increased the prices! lol

Ok..

I was told about OS and went over to the SL website to buy one to add to my island as it can get laggy. I read the description and how these OS run 4 to one server and just knew it wasnt going to work, I needed stabilty so I didnt bother. Thats callled " common sense"

Then I get ppl contacting me saying " omg Lilly ! have you heard??!!! its disgusting!"

And I reply.. " do you used your OS for your store? "
REPLY: " well yea lol "
My REPLY: "well what did you expect!!!?"

Anyone complaining here about price increases who are running any form of business doesnt have the right to complain...sorry. But If I could see and understand the reasons and uses for OS anyone can, people chose to ignore it.

Then again, there are those that DID use it wisely as it was intended and it sucks they are punished for the crimes and selfishness of others.

Then again LL were fools to think ppl wouldnt abuse this system. The info WAS there you just had to find it on SL website. I found it.

LL should of had them sign a TOS on the understanding that IF they broke rules ABC they would be subjected to an immediate price increase.

That would of been the wisest and saftest idea.

LL come accross like a bunch of headless chickens sometimes...with a serious lack of communication.

I recieved a letter with my cheque from LL yesterday claiming cheques were a burden on LL staff and SL residentds (???) and as from Jan 09 they would only pay through paypal ( PP charge a FORTUNE in fees )
OR I can arrange a bank wire for $10,000 with LL...

So I now have to save my $$ till it reaches 10K USD which sits in LLs bank account for longer ( unless I keep it as L$ and I never thinks thats a wise idea )

So this lead me to wonder it LL are having fincancial difficulties?

Dunno..

Lilybeth you just about hit that dead centre.....I'm in total agreement.

I use mine *rented* as a residence, a smallish landscaped isle, a house lotsa fauna and a beach and my boat. Abuse? hmmm its a beautiful isle to sail around

I have have friends who live on OSs that have been chopped into 6 - 8 parcels and sublet....clearly different usage than intended.

I dont think LL really considered how many people further down the chain will be affected, how many shoestring renters that will just sayy enough is enough...furthermore, how many are still in ignorance of this happening...Landlords havent mentioned it at all to my friends, do they themselves even know?

oops ranting again

heh... anyone that thinks having a paper check sent through the US Mail is a good idea needs a head examination. That is a fast way to get to stolen checks as well as the pro crooks getting more checks to use as templates to generate fake checks. There is so much check fraud around here where I live that the Sheriff's office keeps a deputy near the local place people cash checks. They arrest several per day for trying to pass fake or forged checks.

Then there is the whole deal with FinCen (Similar to the CIA/NSA but monitors all financial transactions in the USA) wants all monetary transactions in the USA run through a medium they can have 24*7 surveillance on.

Thus why paper checks are going the way of hanging chad ballots.

The selfish actions you talk of came from the very top as Linden Lab ignored those who were pointing out that they weren't being used as described in the blurb for months and more and more sold and those who had challenged the usage found their complaints falling on deaf ears, their sims standing unrented and their revenue stream drying up and then decided if you can't beat them join them.

Linden Lab watched this explosion of growth in this product, a large portion of which was due to Linden Lab's decision to allow them to be placed anywhere and cooed about the increased land mass. Just who was going to place an open waterway in the middle of nowhere? There's a "Nudge nudge, wink wink" aspect to these guidelines.

Now when those at the very top are ignoring usage guidelines and selling more and more why do you expect those further down the chain to steadfastly stick to usage guidelines? The buck on this stops with Linden Lab.

The reason there was no TOS, well let's be straight about this, there's not a cat in hell's chance they'd have sold in such huge numbers if such an agreement had been in place.