Too Simple? Easy Math solution....
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Webby Merlin
~Angel Beach~
Join date: 16 Jun 2007
Posts: 3
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10-30-2008 19:24
I have read most all the posts, i never post anything but.. i have passed out this simple solution card to some friends and fellow sim owners inworld with good response, and they have encouraged me to post it here. Simple is best... ======================================================
I propose a new structure to LL land organization:
INTRODUCING TWO NEW SIM TYPES Each "suburban" sim would have 1/3 the resources and costs of a full sim, and a "wetlands" sim would have 1/6. Simple! DONE!
ARGUMENTS This would probably placate the masses because they either get more prims for more cash, or give back the prims they don't need for a savings. It would satisfy the existing land owners (of full sims and open sims) because proportionally a prim has the same value in all three types of sims (just as it always has till now.)
Pricing would look like this more or less:
WETLANDS Setup US $167 Prims 2,500 Tier $50/mo Sims per server 6 SUBURBAN Setup US $333 Prims 5,000 Tier $100/mo Sims per server 3
FULL Setup US $1,000 Prims 15,000 Tier $300/mo Sims per server 1
LL should not mix the types on one server.. .. then wetlands types would remain super lag free even with 6 of them on one server, because you are not going to choose that type for a club or high script requirements. After all you can't do too much with just 2,500 prims. And instead of 4 OS sims on a server.. you now have three suburbans.. with 25% less chance of having a resource hog sharing your CPU. LL should try to organize these so the same sim owner has his sims on the same servers whenever possible so he has nobody to blame for lag but himself and his tenants. And his network LOL. It would also be nice if we had this information available -- who we DO share our CPU with -- so we can pay a visit and propose a nice coordinated schedule and friendship. Ideally, if you had control of this, you'd share a CPU with groups in different time zones.
I believe this restructuring of sim types would STIMULATE SL growth, because of the options it would afford. That's good for ALL residents.. more choices.. more creative builds, people can afford to stay in this economy, maybe upgrade.. maybe downgrade.. but not BAIL OUT. Let's not deter RL businesses from entering SL because of the hundreds of pages of outraged residents in the blogs, this is bad business for us all, these public forums filled with (understandable but avoidable) outrage.
If this new land structure could be implemented, LL should WAIVE THE CONVERSION COSTS of ALL CURRENT SIMS to ANY OTHER TYPE between now and Jan 1. I for one would be upgrading 9 OS sims to Suburban for the prims, baby! Don't mind paying for more FOR MORE PRIMS!
LL by now realizes that we WILL USE all the prims we have.. and that we WILL OCCUPY all the sims that we build. This is not ABUSE, MISUSE or even UNINTENDED USE, this is USE. If they want to limit avatars in a programming way... as if LAG doesn't already do it naturally... then OK, just LET US KNOW what the limitations are BEFORE we buy more sims.. and BEFORE we convert what we have. AND THEN STICK BY IT.
We are a community of geeks (with hot avs) - who love our SL and want it to continue to grow and thrive! I hope you can read that in the outcry posted in all the recent blogs. We are nothing if not passionate about our SL! I hope someone will read this simple solution and give it some consideration! Thanks for reading!
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Sindy Tsure
Will script for shoes
Join date: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 4,103
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10-30-2008 19:32
Should be "sims per core" instead of "sims per server".
One server/host has either 4 openspace sims per core or 1 full sim per core. (so 3 sims per server is actually more powerful than a full sim today).
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Webby Merlin
~Angel Beach~
Join date: 16 Jun 2007
Posts: 3
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Sims per CORE
10-30-2008 19:37
Thank you Sindy!
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Rette Nightfire
Registered User
Join date: 8 Jan 2008
Posts: 1
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10-30-2008 19:47
This simple solution sure sounds fantastic to me! I for one would be willing to pay for more prims, but the idea of paying more for my sim and not getting extra prims really sucks!
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Sindy Tsure
Will script for shoes
Join date: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 4,103
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10-30-2008 19:54
From: Rette Nightfire This simple solution sure sounds fantastic to me! I for one would be willing to pay for more prims, but the idea of paying more for my sim and not getting extra prims really sucks! Their point has been that many have been paying far less than they should be, for what they're using. There does indeed seem to be room for more products here, if they're willing/able to change the sim code like Webby (and maybe others) suggests.. People who are really using openspace sims to their max _will_ either go away or end up paying more though, I think.
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Dianne Davies
Whispering Pines Estates
Join date: 1 Oct 2007
Posts: 168
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LMAO!...oh stop...please
10-30-2008 19:59
its a great idea..IF there was a real problem here..IF..but there isn't..the problem isnt' being caused "abuse" of the open sims..read whats going on here!!...the server have many problems...with textures..etc...it has nothing what so ever to do with the open sims..this is MONEY GRAB 101..SMOKE SCREEN..and you're falling for it..don't..you're smart people..thats obvious..so don't let them scam you
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Darkness Anubis
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Join date: 14 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,628
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10-30-2008 21:51
From: Dianne Davies its a great idea..IF there was a real problem here..IF..but there isn't..the problem isnt' being caused "abuse" of the open sims..read whats going on here!!...the server have many problems...with textures..etc...it has nothing what so ever to do with the open sims..this is MONEY GRAB 101..SMOKE SCREEN..and you're falling for it..don't..you're smart people..thats obvious..so don't let them scam you As I understand the problem it does have to do with servers just not the servers you are thinking about. LL expected the open sims to use 25% of the resources of a regular sim and they found out once a certain critical mass number of OS hit the grid that they are using 50% of the resources on the backend of LLs system. By Backend they do not mean the server the OS is housed on. They mean the assett servers the presence servers, texture load, scripts the whole shebang. And I have read somewhere from Jack (cant find it at the moment tired as I am) that it is affecting not just the Open Sims on a particular core but ALL of SL because these are shared resources between ALL of us. Notice I did not call it abuse. THis is not abuse, it is a case similar to so many other things that have happened over the years. LL couldn't know this was going to happen until it was tested under load. Same thing happens on beta grids. THere is almost never enough people logged in to really stress the system. Well in the case of OS the system needed several THOUSAND OSRs being used as something other than open waterway before the problem reared its ugly head. Now just because I understand the problem does not mean I understand the solution they hit folks with. Totally incomprehensible to me as so many LL bombshells are.
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Dylan Rickenbacker
Animator
Join date: 11 Oct 2006
Posts: 365
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10-31-2008 00:40
Great suggestion! This would be a solution to suit everyone.
With this caveat: All these types of sims should be available as standalone products, i.e. without the requirement to own a full sim first.
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Shiina Petrov
Registered User
Join date: 29 May 2007
Posts: 37
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"what if"
10-31-2008 01:06
So tempting...
If they were standalone...
If there was a contract that controlled prices for a set period of time within some predictable boundaries...
Maybe if there was a conversion plan...
Most importantly: If one is really, really brave to start something else so soon after these horrific proclamations!
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MenuBar Memorial
WaterMoon Artist
Join date: 20 Nov 2005
Posts: 214
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The Five Percent Solution
10-31-2008 01:26
In RL I work in the field of publishing, (newspaper publishing for the most part), and I'm sure those of you in the same field will empathize when I say that most of my co-workers are card carrying idiots, and even THEY think that what LL has announced is ludicrous at best. Not to denigrate my fine, fellow co-workers - they'll be the first to admit to you that they probably have little paper certificates in their wallets that medically certify them as idiots so that when the cops arrest them for running naked through a playground, they can prove they're not on crack. So I figure, for a simple solution, ask simple people... Utilizing the brain trust of these monkeys I've formulated this little bit of Shakespeare as possibly the simplest solution to the OS problem... LL should own up to their mistake and grandfather in everybody who has already bought OSs. Then immediately STOP selling them. A current owner would keep his OS at the current agreement, but if he/she wants to sell it, it would be converted to a full normal sim (or as whatever LL decides will be the future OS) with full tier to the new owner , until the market for OSs and/or the "resource drain" stabilizes. Sure, it would be a bit of a hit to LL'$ pocket, but like I said, they need to own up to their mistake and bring trust and faith back to their customers. This is a small price to pay for the respect and loyalty it would garner. Okay, I admit I didn't really have a formal meeting with all these other idiots on this - but, yeah - they're certifiably insane. I can give you their phone numbers, you can call and ask them yourself. When a plan calls for defaulting to the lowest common denominator, these guys are the ones you want to talk to.  <-Them . . . . Me-> 
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Frosty Insoo
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Join date: 5 Dec 2006
Posts: 3
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It's good to see some one thinking creatively.
10-31-2008 06:20
That's a great solution. I hope LL has a look.
My Challenge with these guys is they address an issue with an immediate change in policy FIRST, rather then taking the time to open the lines of communication and getting feedback from the residents using the the land.
That's where all the Bad PR comes from.
*shakes her head and waits to see what they will do.. working on plan B YET again.*
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Margie Snookums
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Join date: 30 Jan 2007
Posts: 15
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Plain and Simple
10-31-2008 06:59
Here is how I look at it --
First -- If the OS were intended to be used as open spaces/water adjacent to existing sims, then they should have restricted the amount of these they were selling and ensuring that they were in fact being added as an addition to existing sims. Enforcing their policy would have avoided this, but LL let this happen and let things go until the bottom fell out (so I hear). Policies are written for a reason -- why didn't they enforce? They were too busy spending the $$ they were making with the hundreds of OS they were selling!!!
Second -- Why the heck did they increase the prims if they were intended to be used as open spaces? Oh wait -- how many one prim fishes that don't swim can we stick in the water and 4 prim trees over dry land?
Bottom line -- $$$$$$$$$$$$
I have to give Jack Linden credit for trying to communicate with the community -- BUT -- damage control wouldn't have been needed had they brought together a group of SL residents representative of the masses and ran this by them first. I can almost guarantee that they wouldn't be having a cranial rectum inversion that they are having to wiggle their way out from.
Don't under estimate the power and passion of Linden residents. We do have a voice and we do have a choice of where we can spend (or not) our RL hard earned $$.
Please don't insult our intelligence and start doing some serious damage control.
Just my 2 worthless cents.
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Col Soderstrom
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Join date: 9 Nov 2007
Posts: 11
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clever you
10-31-2008 07:20
the idea of 3 types of sims ike that is great....my limit is 100usd a month on sl.....if we get the 125usd price hike then i have to say bye to sl......100usd for 5000 prims on a less stressed cpu...very clever.
Theres a sweet spot for what people will pay for an opensim...the lindens price hike is like the Hulk beating us up backed up by the SAS from behind (we've had it here)...we dont stand a chance unless we P*** em off by giving them the trueth....
Listen to people lindens....above is a great idea...3 sims a third is a good option rather than a quarter..... I have no problems with you limiting my opensim to say 8 people allowed at once....
WAKE UP JACK.....YOUR DRAGGING YOURSELF INTO A NIGHTMARE
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Vittorio Beerbaum
Sexy.Builder Hot.Scripter
Join date: 16 May 2007
Posts: 516
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10-31-2008 12:39
From: Col Soderstrom the idea of 3 types of sims ike that is great....my limit is 100usd I see too many ppl with just a OS without owning a regular one.... hmmm... whenever im against LL about the price decision, i can say that this situation (exploiting the OS purchasing) is on their side...
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