We the people

I'm going to make this short and sweet. We the people are what make second life. The Lindens should step back and take a look. Without us they wouldn't have a game.

*Applauds*

It was everyday people that Philip Rosedale wanted to come into Second Life and create. Now that they have it seems to have degenerated into seeing how much cash they can squeeze out of us. Life is about far more than just money...Second Life is the same. Fine... charge fees for services and land and sell L$ but remember who populates it and makes it worthwhile!

It is obvious that SL needs better leadership.

Whoever thought of this massive change to the payment system has never associated with the inworld community.


Also from what I hear, this decision blindsided alot of the workers in Linden Labs themselves.

We the people (and furries and scalies and &c) have already spoken. Quite loudly and quite clearly: If you give us a cheap island product, we'll abuse the crap outta it.

Sadly, the many who did not say this and used the product as it was intended were drowned out by the shouts of other residents greed.

I think it was a small percentage who abused it.

Alot of the RP sims who jumped on OS used them as countryside and large private homes.

If you look at the information on ones like those, traffic was almost non-existent.

I'm just going by what Jack said..

All of us who did use the product as it was intended - as a "sim for light use only", a small island with a house and 3 palm trees, 2-3 avatars present at a time - we are now screwed because of LL's greed. Nobody else's greed. We lived with the little lag and never asked for anybody to be punished on our behalf. We accepted a lesser performance for the low price.

Now we'll have both poor performance and a price increase. How does that solve anything? If LL really wanted to solve the issue, they'd simply put a traffic limit on OS sims and / or decrease the prim count again. They don't want to solve anything though, they want more money. They give a flying fart about how we use those sims, all they want is to cash in some more on an obviously popular product, plus raising the attractivity of their precious, now relatively cheap and still butt-ugly mainland.

This is nobody's fault but the fault of LL's corporate greed. If you still believe the reasons they give us for their continuous screwing up the grid, if you still believe a single word of the lies they feed us on a regular basis, you haven't been in SL long enough. Or could it be that I and all the other disillusioned residents have been here way too long?

I want to see the data he is quoting.

He claims this as fact without proving it.

The forums here are sorta full of threads about how people are abusing openspace regions. WE were saying that they were being abused long before LL took this action.

And, if you're now doubting his honesty on saying that the abuse was more than rule than the exception, what will him posting supporting data do? You (or the dozens of other people here, who seem far less rational) can just claim that the data is also fake..

I just don't get why so many people seem surprised that LL did this. After what the land market has gone thru in the last 2 years and the abuse we all know openspaces have been taking, it really shouldn't be a surprise...

Yes. This whole thing sucks for that crowd.

Define "abuse" in this context?

If you are sold a product that has certain limitations and parameters to work within ie prim limit ,avatar limit, script usage and you work within those parameters how can you be abusing it?
If the product had been supplied in the first place with limitations on its properties and or proper solid confirmed guidelines then fair enough the fact is this wasnt the case.

Its possible to "abuse" full sims too btw just overload them with avvies and scripts but again the properties of 1 full sim on a server is the same as 4 open space sims on a server so im at a loss to define what the issue is here?

If its that they are shared with others and that one person can leech more of the resources than others then the solution is to make those we share with more visible and or limit what resources are available to 1/4 per OS not a 66% price hike which will make the whole concept of open space completely non viable for the majority of users.

This is not the fault of residents this is LL fault to see residents fight amongst themselves over this is saddening to say the least when the real culprit is LL.

This bait and switch tactic hurts me, moreso because I and my neighbor consider maintaining our Void as a Trust to the Group. We don't even use 2/3 of the prim allowance. But because M needs a new Porsche, we gotta dig deeper into the pocket to pay for our hobby?

Sorry, but no. 50$ a month is as high as I'll go. For 600$ a year, I can buy two nice used synths. Or make a media computer in the living room. Or plop Nitrous into the Scirocco. Or buy lots and lots of other toys to amuse myself with and actually have something to show for my funds. SL is a hobby, plain and simple. I build and I buy within it, and I love visiting with folks there. But in the end, it's optional, and I cannot justify giving yet more hard earned money to a clearly untrustworthy company.

I and my wallet are saying NO. Force the issue, and we'll be saying Goodbye.

Yes, it makes you wonder what they really think of us as residents, these days. They seem far more keen to get money out of us, than to give a thought about the rich, varied world that the residents have created.

The love of money is the root of all evil. Looks like the Lindens are falling for its fleeting lure as well.

I think this thread should've been named:

Bleed The People

hehehe...

Correction Meade Paravane: *SOME* will abuse it, not all, and not even a majority.

I run 10 openspaces now, and while one of them is hands off (aside from maintaining a PG rating I mandate), as both the cost of the region and the maintenance fee are paid to me by a patron who does not own their own full sim, the other nine are fully under my control. I have a full sim now, down from the four I once owned, and on each of these four I have/had a 25% Object Bonus (x1.25). In order to keep pricing consistent throughout all of my offerings I raised the openspaces' Object Bonus settings to 501% (x5.01), but I limit holdings to no more than 12800 sqm for patrons and no more than 1024 sqm for regional amenities that I offer - and in all cases I vigorously police the prim counts to main adherence to the intended limits of 3750 prims per openspace and 15000 per sim. And, so long as the prim count limits are adhered to, it's not the prim counts but the scripts that have the most dire consequences. I had to evict, with refund, one patron who's scripted parcel decorations caused regional time dilations to fluctuate from 1.00 to 0.13, even though the region was far under the prim limit and hand no more than five avatars - and normally just one or two on it, at these times.

So, please, refrain from over generalizing when you clearly either don't know and/or don't understand all of the relevant issues, on a topic.

Please see the other posts in this thread too, Sunrunner...

Without money they would have a lot of REAL open space available. There is a connection.

No, easily abuse was in the majority. Few paid any attention to the stated purpose of OS sims. They saw dollar signs and are now accusing LL of being guilty of seeing, well, dollar signs.

Has anyone made a good texture yet to show our protest? I'd like to use it for a FREEBIE flag.

actually that's not true so shut the hell up snowflake. and yes i did just reveal one of your alts.

do us all a favor troll and stop posting. I've flagged every post you made for trolling and i hope your posting privledges are ganked.

WB, Usagi! Long time no post!

Oh dear. Although Second Life wouldn't be here without the users, it also wouldn't be here if it weren't for the Lindens.

These were SUPPOSED to be for light use (A sim to ride your boat on, a wilderness area to wander through with your loved one just like the parklands and water areas owned by Governor Linden). They DID try to accommodate people's wishes by providing more prims than void sims previously had but too many have abused the whole point of an openspace sim and as humankind has proved time and time again people suffer for the excesses of others.

It costs a huge amount of money to run what so many consider they should receive for free but Linden Labs isn't going to fund everyone elses fun out of their own pockets. They are a business and they have to make the money back and it is us (I am in the same boat people) that pay so we can have our fun. So many complain about what Second Life with stability issues and so many want more bells and whistles but noone is willing to pay the cost of obtaining them.

Backend development is not cheap. Bandwidth is not cheap. Paying the bricks and mortar rent on all the premises along with the utilities, yet alone the staff etc costs a small fortune. Just as it costs anyone with a business, what with rent, utilities, staffing, incentives etc, so Linden Labs also has its expenses which it must cover and of course, like all businesses, they want to make a profit (which is probably not as high as many believe). We don't generally run businesses for the fun of it everyone. We do it to make some money whether it be enough to pay our RL rent and utilities or the rent and utilities and clothing in SL.

Do not fool yourself. This place is cheap at twice the price. If you are paying thousands of RL dollars to be in Second Life then you are doing it for financial gain and that is the risk you take. For the rest of us I guarantee in a year a lot of you would spend more at the pub, gambling, going to the movies, going to concerts, cable tv, shopping, playing sport or whatever takes your fancy than you pay for Second Life.

So I will tighten my belt like many others and may downsize but that isn't always a bad thing. I, for one, am not going anywhere.

Ask Jack to show you the data .... Lets see this reported majority of abusers ..... i bet we will not see a single line of data .... coz its fabricated ..... a ploy ....an excuse ...... some might say a lie .


Im yet to actualy meet anyone who owns and OS thats complained to LL about poor performance due to having somone nextdoor who owns a club ..... and if such people are out there... lets hear your story .... and after the price hick .... will your problems stop ?.... nope

You're calling Jack a liar and you're asking him to post more data.

I already talked about this on the previous page. If he posts more data, you're just going to call him a liar again.

Uneducated and uninspired. You must work for LL. I'd set about correcting all of your misgivings with real fact, but hell, you'd likely read it and come up with more nonsense.