Turning in 4th and Last OS today
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Von Johin
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Join date: 10 Jul 2007
Posts: 73
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11-27-2008 13:01
We're officially done with our OS ownership after today. We've taken up all our objects except for a giant statue that is "making water" of sorts on the sim, which we'll leave as a sign of our distaste for this new policy. So now Linden Labs generates $3600.00 less per year in revenues from my account alone. We had been thinking about buying more OS sims before this bonehead announcement by M and Jack. Being called out personally by M as an abuser with his "carnivals on an OS sim" was enough to tick me off. I put some rides on one of the four OS sims I owned, a sim not very many ever visited other than me, and I was still 800 prim below the amount they sold me on just that one sim. I didn't abuse anything. If they wanted nothing but forests and water, they should have said so. What they said was that they would not support complaints about sim problems if you use the OS for anything other than water or parklands. Fine, I never raised a single complaint, and the four sims combined used less than 60% of the prims they sold me, which was 3750 x 4. I held up my end of the deal and paid them $300 a month for these sims, plus the $250 each to set them up. They pulled the rug out from under us, and now, we vote with our wallets. They want us to pay money for nothing, but I won't do it. $300 a month back in my pocket isn't going to hurt me in the least. If you are returning your OS sim, please make sure you manually go and get your items off of the sim first, because they will not auto return to you if you don't. The only nice thing the Lindens did for me was re-open my other three for an hour so I could go get my expensive stuff off of them, as I was thinking that the objects would auto-return to me when they shut the sim down. They didn't, so be sure you get your objects first or you might not get lucky like me and get a nice concierge who is willing to reopen your old OS to get your things back. If you'd like to see the "streaming statue" we left in protest, visit http://slurl.com/secondlife/Metaverse%20Media%20Group/111/155/55 for a quick laugh before they take it down. And what used to be eight out of nine sims needed to form a square mini-continent is now five full sims that myself and friends own. Its a sad day for us, we had a lot of fun things planned, but with the economy tanking and Linden Labs thinking they know better than the residents and being out to teach us all a lesson, it was time to hit them with the only thing that can hurt them, less cash income. Let M and Jack explain it to the board of Linden Labs at their next meeting when the balance sheet starts to look a little worse for the wear.
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DJ Flamand
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Join date: 1 Dec 2006
Posts: 173
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11-27-2008 17:00
From: Von Johin They didn't, so be sure you get your objects first or you might not get lucky like me and get a nice concierge who is willing to reopen your old OS to get your things back. Most of them are very nice and helpful in fact. This whole situation makes it sometimes hard not to curse at them. I try to keep in mind that it's not the working level that is to blame, it's the management and decision level. I am sure the working level isn't happy with the extra workload and angry customers that came upon them. Happy thanksgiving for them. Thanks for all the support. Although not always as one would expect, your support is much appreciated. For the management and decision level: Thanks for all the "good" things that came upon SL. Hope that the world you created still complies to your imagination.
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Spacexcape Bridges
pissed off
Join date: 26 Jun 2008
Posts: 104
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11-28-2008 04:09
Well we had a trash party! we loaded the sim up with mega prims ... the biggest was 65,555 x 65,555 x 0.1 !!!!!!! it was a blast and we didn't want anything back! I am happy to oblige when called an 'abuser'. Our main sim goes on the 4th. From: Von Johin We're officially done with our OS ownership after today. We've taken up all our objects except for a giant statue that is "making water" of sorts on the sim, which we'll leave as a sign of our distaste for this new policy. So now Linden Labs generates $3600.00 less per year in revenues from my account alone. We had been thinking about buying more OS sims before this bonehead announcement by M and Jack. Being called out personally by M as an abuser with his "carnivals on an OS sim" was enough to tick me off. I put some rides on one of the four OS sims I owned, a sim not very many ever visited other than me, and I was still 800 prim below the amount they sold me on just that one sim. I didn't abuse anything. If they wanted nothing but forests and water, they should have said so. What they said was that they would not support complaints about sim problems if you use the OS for anything other than water or parklands. Fine, I never raised a single complaint, and the four sims combined used less than 60% of the prims they sold me, which was 3750 x 4. I held up my end of the deal and paid them $300 a month for these sims, plus the $250 each to set them up. They pulled the rug out from under us, and now, we vote with our wallets. They want us to pay money for nothing, but I won't do it. $300 a month back in my pocket isn't going to hurt me in the least. If you are returning your OS sim, please make sure you manually go and get your items off of the sim first, because they will not auto return to you if you don't. The only nice thing the Lindens did for me was re-open my other three for an hour so I could go get my expensive stuff off of them, as I was thinking that the objects would auto-return to me when they shut the sim down. They didn't, so be sure you get your objects first or you might not get lucky like me and get a nice concierge who is willing to reopen your old OS to get your things back. If you'd like to see the "streaming statue" we left in protest, visit http://slurl.com/secondlife/Metaverse%20Media%20Group/111/155/55 for a quick laugh before they take it down. And what used to be eight out of nine sims needed to form a square mini-continent is now five full sims that myself and friends own. Its a sad day for us, we had a lot of fun things planned, but with the economy tanking and Linden Labs thinking they know better than the residents and being out to teach us all a lesson, it was time to hit them with the only thing that can hurt them, less cash income. Let M and Jack explain it to the board of Linden Labs at their next meeting when the balance sheet starts to look a little worse for the wear.
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Holocluck Henly
Holographic Clucktor
Join date: 11 Apr 2008
Posts: 552
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11-28-2008 06:55
From: Von Johin I put some rides on one of the four OS sims I owned, a sim not very many ever visited other than me, and I was still 800 prim below the amount they sold me on just that one sim. I didn't abuse anything. You just admit in this statement that you have. You put a ride and people attach to the ride and exist on the ride. They dont cross the region incidentally. I am not an estate owner but from day one of their OS offer it was clear to me what this was for. Go check out the Gulf of Lauren sometime NE of Bay City. It's a great example of OS usage. Lots of sealife and formations. No homes, rides, benches, etc etc. For all your noise you haven't calculated the cost of expenses to LL for using these specialized servers beyond their means. I'm sure enough of that offsets your annual and those of others who have taken advantage of them. I used to rent on a property which was right on the edge of a sim. In time it became one side of a horseshoe-shaped minicontinent, and their addition of an OS eventually made it feasible to cut across physically, or fly across. For the owners of these islands, who engage in RPG on them, I'm sure it served its purpose well. It had become a great convenience to have that area. That's what OPEN SPACES are about. All those many estate owners who did the right thing and enjoyed the convenience for a nominal fee have you et al to thank for the burden on THEM. They are the true victims here.
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Sim Myoo
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Join date: 13 Sep 2007
Posts: 31
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It was clear to me
11-28-2008 08:15
It was clear to me to. You get 3750 prim to use. He was under by 800, so whats the problem. Lindens were using these sims for more than trees. There was no abuse here. You want to see abuse go to mainland and look around. Ive never seen a mess as big as most of the mainland is. If anything is lagging out the game its mainland.
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Stoo Straaf
Registered User
Join date: 17 Jun 2007
Posts: 62
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11-28-2008 09:28
From: Sim Myoo It was clear to me to. You get 3750 prim to use. He was under by 800, so whats the problem. Lindens were using these sims for more than trees. There was no abuse here. You want to see abuse go to mainland and look around. Ive never seen a mess as big as most of the mainland is. If anything is lagging out the game its mainland. Spot on. As the OP said... there were NEVER any rules or regulations to state what we could/not do with openspace regions. It DID say that LL will not respond to support requests resulting from any use other than as parkland or water. Well, fine! I have never submitted any support requests, so I've stuck to the letter of the knowledge base.
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Roisin Hotaling
Pixel Manipulator
Join date: 3 Jun 2007
Posts: 300
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11-28-2008 11:35
From: Stoo Straaf Spot on. As the OP said... there were NEVER any rules or regulations to state what we could/not do with openspace regions. It DID say that LL will not respond to support requests resulting from any use other than as parkland or water. Well, fine! I have never submitted any support requests, so I've stuck to the letter of the knowledge base. Exactly. Unfortunately, LL failed by not placing appropriate limits on things other than prims: textures, scripts, avatars, traffic... I suspect, if there really is a performance problem, that's where it comes from. Not the number of prims. And without those limitations in place, I think "abuse" is an inappropriate word to describe the issue.
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Hern Worsley
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Join date: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 122
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11-28-2008 12:22
From: Holocluck Henly You just admit in this statement that you have. You put a ride and people attach to the ride and exist on the ride. They dont cross the region incidentally. I am not an estate owner but from day one of their OS offer it was clear to me what this was for. Go check out the Gulf of Lauren sometime NE of Bay City. It's a great example of OS usage. Lots of sealife and formations. No homes, rides, benches, etc etc. For all your noise you haven't calculated the cost of expenses to LL for using these specialized servers beyond their means. I'm sure enough of that offsets your annual and those of others who have taken advantage of them. I used to rent on a property which was right on the edge of a sim. In time it became one side of a horseshoe-shaped minicontinent, and their addition of an OS eventually made it feasible to cut across physically, or fly across. For the owners of these islands, who engage in RPG on them, I'm sure it served its purpose well. It had become a great convenience to have that area. That's what OPEN SPACES are about. All those many estate owners who did the right thing and enjoyed the convenience for a nominal fee have you et al to thank for the burden on THEM. They are the true victims here. It does not matter wether its sea life or a themepark ride if your using less than 2ms script usage then your within 1/4 of a FULL sims optimum resources So id put it to you that your OS thats has lots of sea life could in fact be using more resources than a SIM with 2 theme park rides in it. Its also not just down to scripts but textures avatar count and many other factors. Also why dont you visit some of LL LPDW built OS Sims that are packed full of scripts and prims then tell me thats what OS are all about.. Basically all im saying is please dont make comments about other peoples loss when you dont really know what your talking about.
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Holocluck Henly
Holographic Clucktor
Join date: 11 Apr 2008
Posts: 552
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11-28-2008 12:52
I'll be more specific since you didnt visit the gulf of lauren - by sealife I mean copies of transparent textures on prims for seaweed on the ocean floor.
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Kane Tank
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Join date: 5 Dec 2005
Posts: 117
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11-29-2008 22:23
Sorry to hear about LL's loss and your loss.
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Von Johin
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Join date: 10 Jul 2007
Posts: 73
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11-30-2008 18:52
Bottom line, I used my OS as I was allowed to do. My little amusement park rides, which were hardly ever used, required less scripting power than a sailing race or other boats going through the region, and operated less time at a go than a sail boat would have spent on the OS waters. No matter, there are no more OS sims in my collection, and I'll find something else to do with the $300 a month I was giving to LL.
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Vittorio Beerbaum
Sexy.Builder Hot.Scripter
Join date: 16 May 2007
Posts: 516
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11-30-2008 20:02
Hi Von, sad to meet you in this unhappy happening... but hey, cheers! 
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nikita2 Denimore
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Join date: 28 Oct 2008
Posts: 130
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12-01-2008 10:23
To tell the truth i really don't know what the definition of abuse would be,i have used probably about 3000 prims,only two avys use the island at all times I have'nt a clue as to what would be considered acceptable script limits My estate owner has always monitored his OS 's to make sure some were not interfering with the others Mostly we stay on the island but the times we do go out shopping or to clubs etc i always find it delight to get back due to all the lag i experienced beyond my OS I have had my OS close to a year now and i can honestly say i have never had any performance problems on it I always wondered what LL meant when they said they would not address performance problems on OS's as that was never my experience Maybe that was because my estate owner monitored his islands But like everyone else we are being punished for something we were not a part of When i first got my OS the prim limit was 1875,i was delighted when it was increased to 3750,but sadly that increase was the downfall of the OS's the rest is history
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Von Johin
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Join date: 10 Jul 2007
Posts: 73
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12-01-2008 20:54
From: Vittorio Beerbaum Hi Von, sad to meet you in this unhappy happening... but hey, cheers!  Cheers back at ya!
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Michelle Thurston
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Join date: 14 Jul 2006
Posts: 208
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12-01-2008 22:44
Carnival could live on! Have some nice commercial zone land that holds about the same number of prims as an openspace I've been trying to unload for a while. Sure a carnival would fit right in!
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