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Echoes Sideshow

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11-03-2008 17:16

I understand that there are over 10,000 open space ¼ sims maybe as many as 15,000 the repetition on the main thread of people posting would suggest around 750 people are saying they are unhappy with a 67% increase and popping back to add further comment

Does this mean that only around 10% of people affected (given some have more than one open space) are actually voicing their opinion? Because I would have thought that very few people owning or renting on an OS would just accept that 67% is reasonable and would thus leave a comment.

I can only say that 750 complaints (people) over the amount of used OS will not make LL even consider negotiating, We represent a drop in the ocean at less than 10% of people affected.

Of course their may be less OS’s or greater ownership per individual…correct me if I’m wrong

Lostmedia Ares

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11-03-2008 19:05

Hi ... Im in no way saying your wrong ... But what i will say is this .

Not everyone uses the forum ...Or for that matter even reads the blog .

Not everyone is fully aware yet of this policy change yet .

Some may not find out untill the sim owner sends them a notecard telling them how sorry they are that they have to ether close the os they live on .. Or they have to stump up the extra cash needed in order to keep renting

LL have made no comment since last week on the subject so lots of OS owners who rent are sitting waiting to find out what LL are doing befor they let tennents know ( they should be making people aware now though befor hand imo )

May be a case that people who own FS and OS have been busy in RL and are yet to find out about this new policy .

I do however think that as soon as LL do make a comment you will see a lot more unhappy people here in the forum or giving up OS .

And in a small way , To back up what i mean ... You will allso have noticed that a lot of the people posting in the topic are first time posters .

the more public this becomes and the more people aware of the situation ... You will see far more people who are unhappy .

So may not find out untill they are billed on the 1st of Jan .... some may find out with the first bank statment they recive ....and sum may not find out untill months weeks down the road .

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bargain Walcott

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11-03-2008 19:18

From: Lostmedia Ares

Not everyone uses the forum ...Or for that matter even reads the blog .

Not everyone is fully aware yet of this policy change yet .

I agree 100%

I pop in to read here once in a while but I was unaware of all of this until a friend told me. If they wouldn't of mentioned it, I would have had NO CLUE this was going on until it was to late!

Draghan Marksman

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11-03-2008 23:54

From: Lostmedia Ares

Hi ... Im in no way saying your wrong ... But what i will say is this .

Not everyone uses the forum ...Or for that matter even reads the blog .

Not everyone is fully aware yet of this policy change yet .

Some may not find out untill the sim owner sends them a notecard telling them how sorry they are that they have to ether close the os they live on .. Or they have to stump up the extra cash needed in order to keep renting.

And don't forget that a lot of SL users do not speak English...

Spacexcape Bridges

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11-04-2008 00:02

Many sim owners may not even know about the increase.

From: Echoes Sideshow

I understand that there are over 10,000 open space ¼ sims maybe as many as 15,000 the repetition on the main thread of people posting would suggest around 750 people are saying they are unhappy with a 67% increase and popping back to add further comment

Does this mean that only around 10% of people affected (given some have more than one open space) are actually voicing their opinion? Because I would have thought that very few people owning or renting on an OS would just accept that 67% is reasonable and would thus leave a comment.

I can only say that 750 complaints (people) over the amount of used OS will not make LL even consider negotiating, We represent a drop in the ocean at less than 10% of people affected.

Of course their may be less OS’s or greater ownership per individual…correct me if I’m wrong

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eku Zhong

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11-04-2008 00:13

a lot of the japanese OS have already disappeared... more and more of my LM dont work...
ppl are responding but not here.

I think a lot of the Japanese users will up and leave too.. this kind of thing doesnt happen here.. ie its illegal to hike prices for a service like that.

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Stoo Straaf

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11-04-2008 00:45

I agree that not everyone is even aware of this policy/price change yet. Around my estate there are probably one hundred openspace sims spread out in a grid with nothing on each side, clearly the 'unacceptable use' that LL are claiming.

And the owner of that estate is still advertising on SLExchange, still adding openspaces at a rate of two a day, and still charging incredibly low tier.

We worked out (before the price rises) that he is probably breaking even in about 8 months on each openspace. His business model is about to implode and *he has no idea*!

Belial Foulsbane

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11-04-2008 00:46

From: Echoes Sideshow

I understand that there are over 10,000 open space ¼ sims maybe as many as 15,000 the repetition on the main thread of people posting would suggest around 750 people are saying they are unhappy with a 67% increase and popping back to add further comment

Does this mean that only around 10% of people affected (given some have more than one open space) are actually voicing their opinion? Because I would have thought that very few people owning or renting on an OS would just accept that 67% is reasonable and would thus leave a comment.

I can only say that 750 complaints (people) over the amount of used OS will not make LL even consider negotiating, We represent a drop in the ocean at less than 10% of people affected.

Of course their may be less OS’s or greater ownership per individual…correct me if I’m wrong

One of the first things any business manager learns is that roughly 5% of people who have a negative experience will complain to that business, however they will go tell 10 people about that bad experience, and will no longer patronize that business.

If you're estimating 750 people, that would work out to 15000 people roughly who aren't complaining here or to LL, but will simply stop using the service. That would also mean that roughly 150,000 people will hear about how LL was trying to rip them off.

And, as noted above, this is my second post here. Because of this issue. OpenLife is certainly looking much more appealing to me.

Moe Lovenkraft

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11-04-2008 01:18

This Jira has more than 3000 votes. A lot of people do not voice their opinion in this forum, or in the jira. And many probably doesn't even understand as they are not land owners.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-1776

Sassy Romano

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11-04-2008 10:07

Well it's not that simple.

Don't forget that of the sim owners that know about the price increase, some may not have passed on information to their renters yet and they may find out in January or late December. Only then will we know then size of the fallout when the end renter decides on whether to pay up or not. It's not just about the sim owner.

I share an OS with someone else, only just got it but personally speaking, I can't justify the increase. Still waiting to see the final outcome before deciding on what to do.

As for abuse, yeah I "live" there. Sometimes there are as many as 3 avs on it for about 30 minutes in a day. for about another couple of hours maybe 1 av and for the rest of the day 0.

It's hugely water, beach and trees but even then, the server doesn't know the difference between rezzing 1000 prims of trees or 1000 prims of plywood cubes or 1000 prims of a house and associated bits.

But then I'm just another "abuser" because I "live" there.

One thing I will say...having had such a beautiful place to live, mainland or a full sim estate (moved on from one of those) has ZERO attraction for me so instead of getting a fair lump of cash from me, in trying to rape me, LL will get nothing. On the upside, i'll have plenty more to spend on stuff so creators will win.

Noyl Boucher

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11-07-2008 06:03

I'm not an OS owner, but did vote for the Jira mentionned above, as I really do not like robbery, even if I'm not directly the victim.

"we listened to you, and this little price increase was unfair, ok ok, we heard you . So now with it, we are also cutting on the prims count, and do not hesitate to continue paying while we are thinking on putting a script limit and a ... and a ...".

The only price increase announced reason is for upgrading the os servers to support the extra load. So why maintaning the increase if the avatars, prims and script counts will be strongly limited.

eku Zhong mentionned that a lot of japanese OS already disappeared, but french ones are going the same way. Romantic gardens and schools are now gone, or soon gone. So the french community do not make a lot of noise in the forum, but still disagree. (yes we are good at disagreeing things)

For myself having lost all confidence into LL, I'll sell my mainland sim this weekend.
(Even if it was just decorative with no scripts overload).

I won't wait for them to also cheat on mainland owners too while using once again obviously false reasons to just steal more money. Waiting to be impacted to protest, is waiting to be the last left when you'll have to defend yourself.

Linden lost credibility won't be transfered into resident credulity.

The only good thing is that for once, they didn't announce it at the last moment...

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Echoes Sideshow Registered User Join date: 1 Oct 2008 Posts: 3	11-03-2008 17:16 I understand that there are over 10,000 open space ¼ sims maybe as many as 15,000 the repetition on the main thread of people posting would suggest around 750 people are saying they are unhappy with a 67% increase and popping back to add further comment Does this mean that only around 10% of people affected (given some have more than one open space) are actually voicing their opinion? Because I would have thought that very few people owning or renting on an OS would just accept that 67% is reasonable and would thus leave a comment. I can only say that 750 complaints (people) over the amount of used OS will not make LL even consider negotiating, We represent a drop in the ocean at less than 10% of people affected. Of course their may be less OS’s or greater ownership per individual…correct me if I’m wrong
Lostmedia Ares Drinking tea Join date: 6 Sep 2006 Posts: 290	11-03-2008 19:05 Hi ... Im in no way saying your wrong ... But what i will say is this . Not everyone uses the forum ...Or for that matter even reads the blog . Not everyone is fully aware yet of this policy change yet . Some may not find out untill the sim owner sends them a notecard telling them how sorry they are that they have to ether close the os they live on .. Or they have to stump up the extra cash needed in order to keep renting LL have made no comment since last week on the subject so lots of OS owners who rent are sitting waiting to find out what LL are doing befor they let tennents know ( they should be making people aware now though befor hand imo ) May be a case that people who own FS and OS have been busy in RL and are yet to find out about this new policy . I do however think that as soon as LL do make a comment you will see a lot more unhappy people here in the forum or giving up OS . And in a small way , To back up what i mean ... You will allso have noticed that a lot of the people posting in the topic are first time posters . the more public this becomes and the more people aware of the situation ... You will see far more people who are unhappy . So may not find out untill they are billed on the 1st of Jan .... some may find out with the first bank statment they recive ....and sum may not find out untill months weeks down the road . _____________________ Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
bargain Walcott Registered User Join date: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 248	11-03-2008 19:18 From: Lostmedia Ares Not everyone uses the forum ...Or for that matter even reads the blog . Not everyone is fully aware yet of this policy change yet . I agree 100% I pop in to read here once in a while but I was unaware of all of this until a friend told me. If they wouldn't of mentioned it, I would have had NO CLUE this was going on until it was to late!
Draghan Marksman Registered User Join date: 1 Jan 2008 Posts: 20	11-03-2008 23:54 From: Lostmedia Ares Hi ... Im in no way saying your wrong ... But what i will say is this . Not everyone uses the forum ...Or for that matter even reads the blog . Not everyone is fully aware yet of this policy change yet . Some may not find out untill the sim owner sends them a notecard telling them how sorry they are that they have to ether close the os they live on .. Or they have to stump up the extra cash needed in order to keep renting. And don't forget that a lot of SL users do not speak English...
Spacexcape Bridges pissed off Join date: 26 Jun 2008 Posts: 104	It may be 11-04-2008 00:02 Many sim owners may not even know about the increase. From: Echoes Sideshow I understand that there are over 10,000 open space ¼ sims maybe as many as 15,000 the repetition on the main thread of people posting would suggest around 750 people are saying they are unhappy with a 67% increase and popping back to add further comment Does this mean that only around 10% of people affected (given some have more than one open space) are actually voicing their opinion? Because I would have thought that very few people owning or renting on an OS would just accept that 67% is reasonable and would thus leave a comment. I can only say that 750 complaints (people) over the amount of used OS will not make LL even consider negotiating, We represent a drop in the ocean at less than 10% of people affected. Of course their may be less OS’s or greater ownership per individual…correct me if I’m wrong _____________________ Spacexcape Bridges _________________ Project Co-ordinator for the Spacexcape Project http://slurl.com/secondlife/Spacexcape/15/162/22 http://spacexcape.com
eku Zhong Apocalips = low prims Join date: 27 May 2008 Posts: 752	11-04-2008 00:13 a lot of the japanese OS have already disappeared... more and more of my LM dont work... ppl are responding but not here. I think a lot of the Japanese users will up and leave too.. this kind of thing doesnt happen here.. ie its illegal to hike prices for a service like that. _____________________ http://slurl.com/secondlife/Apocalips%20Japan/111/78/24?
Stoo Straaf Registered User Join date: 17 Jun 2007 Posts: 62	11-04-2008 00:45 I agree that not everyone is even aware of this policy/price change yet. Around my estate there are probably one hundred openspace sims spread out in a grid with nothing on each side, clearly the 'unacceptable use' that LL are claiming. And the owner of that estate is still advertising on SLExchange, still adding openspaces at a rate of two a day, and still charging incredibly low tier. We worked out (before the price rises) that he is probably breaking even in about 8 months on each openspace. His business model is about to implode and he has no idea!
Belial Foulsbane Registered User Join date: 24 May 2008 Posts: 5	11-04-2008 00:46 From: Echoes Sideshow I understand that there are over 10,000 open space ¼ sims maybe as many as 15,000 the repetition on the main thread of people posting would suggest around 750 people are saying they are unhappy with a 67% increase and popping back to add further comment Does this mean that only around 10% of people affected (given some have more than one open space) are actually voicing their opinion? Because I would have thought that very few people owning or renting on an OS would just accept that 67% is reasonable and would thus leave a comment. I can only say that 750 complaints (people) over the amount of used OS will not make LL even consider negotiating, We represent a drop in the ocean at less than 10% of people affected. Of course their may be less OS’s or greater ownership per individual…correct me if I’m wrong One of the first things any business manager learns is that roughly 5% of people who have a negative experience will complain to that business, however they will go tell 10 people about that bad experience, and will no longer patronize that business. If you're estimating 750 people, that would work out to 15000 people roughly who aren't complaining here or to LL, but will simply stop using the service. That would also mean that roughly 150,000 people will hear about how LL was trying to rip them off. And, as noted above, this is my second post here. Because of this issue. OpenLife is certainly looking much more appealing to me.
Moe Lovenkraft Registered User Join date: 4 Nov 2007 Posts: 7	11-04-2008 01:18 This Jira has more than 3000 votes. A lot of people do not voice their opinion in this forum, or in the jira. And many probably doesn't even understand as they are not land owners. http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-1776
Sassy Romano Registered User Join date: 27 Feb 2008 Posts: 619	11-04-2008 10:07 Well it's not that simple. Don't forget that of the sim owners that know about the price increase, some may not have passed on information to their renters yet and they may find out in January or late December. Only then will we know then size of the fallout when the end renter decides on whether to pay up or not. It's not just about the sim owner. I share an OS with someone else, only just got it but personally speaking, I can't justify the increase. Still waiting to see the final outcome before deciding on what to do. As for abuse, yeah I "live" there. Sometimes there are as many as 3 avs on it for about 30 minutes in a day. for about another couple of hours maybe 1 av and for the rest of the day 0. It's hugely water, beach and trees but even then, the server doesn't know the difference between rezzing 1000 prims of trees or 1000 prims of plywood cubes or 1000 prims of a house and associated bits. But then I'm just another "abuser" because I "live" there. One thing I will say...having had such a beautiful place to live, mainland or a full sim estate (moved on from one of those) has ZERO attraction for me so instead of getting a fair lump of cash from me, in trying to rape me, LL will get nothing. On the upside, i'll have plenty more to spend on stuff so creators will win.
Noyl Boucher Registered User Join date: 28 Nov 2007 Posts: 1	11-07-2008 06:03 I'm not an OS owner, but did vote for the Jira mentionned above, as I really do not like robbery, even if I'm not directly the victim. "we listened to you, and this little price increase was unfair, ok ok, we heard you . So now with it, we are also cutting on the prims count, and do not hesitate to continue paying while we are thinking on putting a script limit and a ... and a ...". The only price increase announced reason is for upgrading the os servers to support the extra load. So why maintaning the increase if the avatars, prims and script counts will be strongly limited. eku Zhong mentionned that a lot of japanese OS already disappeared, but french ones are going the same way. Romantic gardens and schools are now gone, or soon gone. So the french community do not make a lot of noise in the forum, but still disagree. (yes we are good at disagreeing things) For myself having lost all confidence into LL, I'll sell my mainland sim this weekend. (Even if it was just decorative with no scripts overload). I won't wait for them to also cheat on mainland owners too while using once again obviously false reasons to just steal more money. Waiting to be impacted to protest, is waiting to be the last left when you'll have to defend yourself. Linden lost credibility won't be transfered into resident credulity. The only good thing is that for once, they didn't announce it at the last moment...

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