*VOTE* if you are FOR limited use of existing open-spaces

Emeline Magic posted the link.

If you agree to the following:
Grandfather the existing open-spaces and turn the avatar limit to 10 by default and up to 20 and people using OS as full sim will have to uprade.

go to the link below and vote...
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http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2627

that will not solve the issue, as not all avatars are created equally. It only takes one avatar wearing an assortment of huds, shields, an ao, gesture huds and other sensor type scripted attachments to start lagging an Open Space simulator.

These kinds of heavily scripted avatars are often the equivalent of 5 or 6 avatars in a sim, believe it or not. Simulators and end users need tools to be able to self regulate and differentiate these "heavy" users from regular ones, otherwise simulator overloading will still occur, and sabotage by others will be possible.

Please take a look at and consider this, as it goes more into detail for a workable solution
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-1781

How about this. Drop the prim count to 900, and the cost to $25. LL would have done something more on those lines long ago if they truly meant for open spaces to be open spaces. *my opinion*.

I'm going there to put in my vote - don't want to lose my home in SL...

*Fanny Mae, Freddy Mac and Linden Lab*

BUMP!

Voted. No matter what results from the current OS problems, this will still be a great idea.

Im not voting for any change. LL gave us 3750 prim to play with and Im gonna use 3750 prim. They knew what they were being used for from the beginning. If they didnt know then why were they setting up open spaces out in the middle of no-where not connected to any land. Wise up people LL is just doing this because the owners want a new BMW's and bigger houses in RL. If were gonna play there gonna make us pay.

No way! The prim limit is already restrictive enough!

People aren't abusing open sims. They're using them to their fullest potential, which is what SL is all about... or used to be about, at least.

Prims are not really the issue as this is one of the few properties of the Open Spaces that currently falls within 1/4 the resources of a Full SIM meaning its not possible to take more than your fair share.

Avatar limits should be around 20 -25 and script usage should be 2ms these are things that should either be enforced or hardcoded into the properties of existing OS.

If you shared a Full Prim SIM with 3 others and you each had 1/4 its still possible that one of you can be lagging the hell out of others and also causing more load over the other 3 Full SIMs on that server yet i still dont see LL claiming that price hikes here are the solution.

I have changed my position on this and I agree with you Sim!

the more I delve into the blogs, chatlogs, referendums and the more I talk to my fellow SL citizens and listen to the volunteers - many of which are former volunteers by today - the more I loose my last remnants of trust and confidence in LL!
Too many things have been turned too frequently on their head.
Employees saying or publishing whatever comes to their minds, or doing 'damage control' by denying everything or blurting out statements in conflict with what was previously stated to be policy or guidelines we could trust.

And the VAT issue! On top of the LL created land glut and off-level tier system, it hit many of us quite hard and made competition close to impossible - and all for nothing.
The EU can not enforce VAT rules to a US based company. Somebody in LL just decided to roll over and implement it anyway, even though it made the field even less level for the European private land owners.
(I assume LL DOES forward the VAT to the respective national purses?)

And the fact that, if a land owner abandons a sim the residents simply loose all their belongings - no warning, no consideration from LL - it has damaged the private land owners a good deal too, as people are often leery of taking land in case the sim folds and they loose everything overnight, since LL, in their wisdom, has decided that they are not going to issue a warning and give some days of grace before deleting the region…

And so on - it just piles up…

In the present mess there is only one way out (or 2 as the case may be) that are legally respectable and lives up to the commitment LL made:

1) LL grandfathers the existing open-spaces without any restrictions but those already in effect, as long as they belong to the original owner.

2) LL refunds the 250US$ to all owners with 1, 2 or 3 open-spaces, that do not want to keep them.
LL gives the option of a free conversion of 4 open-spaces to a full sim, to those who want it - otherwise they receive a refund too.







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I'm in the UK too.. It's a case of people from the UK being asked to stump up 17.5% extra on top of what they have to pay there are also other EU members that have to pay different rates of VAT as well. This seems to be harsh to say the extreme.. on top of the current proposed price increase. So a 66% increase for us in the EU it will be more with VAT added and as the £-$ is dropping, and no doubt the Euro too, we have to pay more at the moment. Ok I know it was the opposite a while ago.. but that was a rarity.. we got a bit lucky when it was nearly $2-£1 but at present it is floating around $1.60 - £1 40c may not seem much but when you pay a teir it mounts up as we also have to pay a currency surcharge too. Either via a bank or paypal!
Can you imagine it... someone with maybe 4 or 5 regions..! and if these are OS as well as full prim.. the word Ouch springs to mind as they watch the rentals go through the floor and they get left holding a big bill... and LL will take it all back if they get abandoned if no one buys them or rents them at the proposed new tier levels. These people will be out of pocket big time too!!

I may have to reconsider my landholdings completely now and possibly drop my OS region which is not used to the max and only has 4 houses on it with very little scripting and only a few visitors too. I currently pay the tier, and have just paid for the current month to my Estate owner, who contacted all of her renters to inform them of LL's decision and she will need to know how to approach this problem, she may even be forced to sell up if people don't take them up as rentals or even drop them if they cant sell them on. I may even have to sell my OS region as I said, which I only just bought from her a few months ago, as I can't see my friends saying... "Ok Ro, we will pay the extra to stay on this OS sim which we call home."
If they (LL) get away with the increase on OS regions, what's to stop them from doing it again on normal ones and citing the same problems they encounter with them?

What is needed is a Forum... by that I mean people from LL and a cross section of computer literate people from SL who understand how the SL system network and servers operate and also set in inworld time for meetings that is acceptable to all to enable meetings to take place.... at least then there could possibly be a 'meeting of minds' to try and resolve this and any other issues... and not have these 'forced' onto us.
After all aren't we the people who make this place what it is?
LL just supply the servers and the system etc. We are the people who use it and inhabit SL and make this place what it is.. so surely we should have some say in how it is run, or at least have some input. Wether LL listen is another story.. I bet they go ahead and implement this outrageous price increase.

Can you imagine a business in RL doing this...
Specialist shop owner:
"Hi there... I'm putting my prices up by 66% on all these special items. You know the ones I mean.... The ones you like to use for your personal pleasure. I'm doing this because you're buying more and more of them and using them to the maximum. Even though I'd like you to limit how you use them. I just didn't think you'd use them in this way even though they're capable of being used like this. We never thought that people would use them like this and we didn't realise or expect to be under such pressure when people do use them in this way."
Customer: "You're taking the p*** aren't you? We buy these special items because you supply them to us to use, and just because some people use them to their full potential you now want us to pay 66% more? All because you didn't realise people would use them this way? Well 'Mister shop owner'.... up yours then! I'll go elsewhere and get my special treats in another shop and one where customers are treated with respect and also where they won't get ripped off either!

There would be a big outcry in RL if anything like that happened, and you can bet that they'd be slapped down for doing this too!
I wonder if there is anyone actually pursuing this in RL to see if they can do this in a virtual world. Are there any laws that govern how things are run? Or are they made up, and we have to just accept them, because there is no real frame of reference to base these prices on as well as this massive price hike too!
We're being strong armed I bet!
What do you think LL?

There is already about four seperate JIRA reports released on this that I know of. We need to just pick one and pile all of the votes onto it, rather than keep making new reports.

Use the search feature of the JIRA system PLEASE!