Bingo, Raffles, dice/craps, lottery
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Levin Yalin
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Join date: 1 Jul 2007
Posts: 6
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07-26-2007 19:01
Are these still leagl? Bingo and Raffles are games of chances, as is dice, or craps, and of coourse lottery, and Drawings or exploders.
These are all types of games of chances.
I wonder if Linden won'y start after the porn, escort/strippers next. As they are illegal in Parts of USA.
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Nack Barnes
Bartender Man
Join date: 15 Jan 2007
Posts: 66
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07-28-2007 03:24
The policy said nothing about cybersex, so not sure why that keeps coming up by the Chicken Little brigade.
What is banned is gambling. Specifically games where chance or random number generates the winner. Raffles, dice, lottery, all include significant chance, in fact, nothing but chance, so there's yer answer.
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Bradley Bracken
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Join date: 2 Apr 2007
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07-30-2007 04:00
I agree with you Nack. I'm very tired of hearing people say that escorting will be next. Plain and simple, gambling in SL is real. Lindens are converted into real $$. Prostitution in SL, however, is not real. By no means in the virtual environment are two people touching. As long as phone sex is legal, there's no reason why sex in SL wont be.
On the otherhand, I do believe eventually LL will outlaw the sex clubs and escorting. It's pretty clear they are going after corporate dollars for conferencing, etc. I believe in order to do that they will have to greatly reduce the sleaze factor. I think it will eventually happen but it is an entirely separate issue from the legal issues involving gambling.
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Nack Barnes
Bartender Man
Join date: 15 Jan 2007
Posts: 66
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07-30-2007 07:51
Bradley,
They might try banning such sleaze, agreed. At some point, in some way, but heck, I don't know when or how or whatnot. The adjustement of the TOS to ban illegal gambling in Second Life though has NOTHING to do with such future "maybes", I agree.
Chicken Little people, running around screaming the sky is falling. It amazes me.
No one I know in SL likes casinos. My fellow business owners hate it when that casino goes in next door, I've heard screams and complaints for months from them. "Damned camping casinos!"
The private island I use for my business has to share server space with random mainland and island sims (so much for 'dedicated servers') and when we end up sharing server space with sims which have casinos on them, you can bet we can tell. Time to start restarting our sim over and over till we are no longer sharing a server with those people.
Maybe now it will get better for all of us who are NOT casino owners.
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Chilly Charlton
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Join date: 15 Jun 2004
Posts: 483
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Sex is next
08-13-2007 14:43
Sex is next.
Since the L$ is now real money
And
PayPal + Sex = NO NO
Then
The writing is on the wall. We know who pulls LL's strings now. The L$ HAS become real, it is no longer our world our imagination, the motto needs to be changed (I have some suggestions).
I'm only sorry I wasn't vocal when others before were GOMed. I would cite a famous german poem but it's been cited enough and I'm just as guilty.
For PayPal sex is not simply the act, I doubt anyone ever paid a RL hooker for RL sex through PayPal, we are talking about pornographic materials, representations, pixels even == SL
Say goodbye to escorts and cam shows and stripper clubs and snap on toys ... ok say good bye to any of the forementioned that are not FREE. no I'm not into any of that sex stuff but many were not into simulated games of chance and they didn't care. People only care about thier own particular interests and it's easy to pick off one group at a time when no one supports each other.
L$ will be divorced from sex and sex will be free and all those whose interest in sex and L$ or have invested in it will be left holding the bag. LL does not care about it's residents nor it's groups and as an idividual cares NOTHING. LL only cares about LL.
I understand the changes, I disagree with the execution of the changes. LL doesn't have any respect for it's own community otherwise LL would be more graceful in how it chose to grow up.
This is what happens when you make L$ = Real dollars. It's done.
I give it less then a year.
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Chilly Charlton
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08-13-2007 15:04
Bradley Bracken,
Can you tell me of a phone sex service that accepts PayPal as a pament method? I don't think you will find one ... because to PayPal that IS sex.
Sex is next in SL.
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Brenda Connolly
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08-13-2007 15:34
From: Chilly Charlton Bradley Bracken,
Can you tell me of a phone sex service that accepts PayPal as a pament method? I don't think you will find one ... because to PayPal that IS sex.
Sex is next in SL. PayPal is not the only way to pay for SL.
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Chilly Charlton
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Join date: 15 Jun 2004
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08-13-2007 15:44
And soon it will not be an option OR any commerce having to do with sex will be banned.
The writing is on the wall.
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Yumi Murakami
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Join date: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 6,860
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08-13-2007 16:00
From: Levin Yalin Are these still leagl? Bingo and Raffles are games of chances, as is dice, or craps, and of coourse lottery, and Drawings or exploders. I think it might be possible to make a raffle legal as long as: * The prizes are no transfer * The prizes are not also sold elsewhere for L$, or too similar to objects that are sold for L$ * The prizes are never sold for L$ in the future Because that way the items have no market value. (Of course you couldn't charge people to enter, either..)
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Tod69 Talamasca
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Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,107
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08-13-2007 19:28
Hmmmm... Paypal banning sex in Second Life would be like Paypal banning transactions for other MMO's because you're killing people for their gold (robbery & Murder). Next, these "sex is gonna be next" people will claim the FAA and Dept. Of Motor Vehicles will require us to have Pilot & Driver's Licences to fly or drive. 
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