Not "hardcore" plots, but "hardcore" content which unverifieds don't see

OK - I have a suggestion - expanding on the idea of "invisiblizing" adult content, already posted by someone else earlier.

Flagging LAND parcels as "hardcore" is the wrong solution.
We need to flag CONTENT as "hardcore" ie prims, linked prims and textures. If possible animations.

To those who don't opt for extra age verification in order to see it, "hardcore" content is simply INVISIBLE and PHANTOM.

I'm fairly confident this is technically possible, with insignificant performance deterioration.

The problem is how we get (and keep) the correct flags onto the content. New content, and (harder) old content.

I have mapped out what I think is a totally practical solution to this.

I won't bore you with a full description, but it involves every premium user (except those who abuse it) being able to "click-report" any misflagged content to an automatic system, which counts such clicks to reach an automatic decision. Not counting for each object (totally impractical). But counting for each owner and each creator. Some click-restrictions to cut down abuse.

It incorporates motivational feedbacks to force both creators (new content) and owners (old content) to get the right flags onto their objects.

In essence, consistent owner (including group) or creator violators get all their content automatically flagged as hardcore whether it is or not.

But remember, even this punishment only makes stuff invisible to some other residents, nothing is destroyed.

I can be much more specific in the unlikely event anyone in authority is interested.

Yes - of course you can see snags. I think (hope ?) the ones I can see can all be handled.

Any opinions ?

eg if it WOULD work, without too much development cost/time, would it be BETTER ?

It's along the right lines, but really what need are some kind of 3D permissions spaces which can be used to hide adult content to those not permitted to see it. That's what's always annoyed me the most with parcel permissions, they're 2D and attempting to apply onto a 3D world. The result is ban-lines that extend 768m into the air even if the area to block off is only 20m in height.

I'm not sure how feasible 'block by item' would be. I guess if owners are always able to flag their content (even no-mod items) then it'd be fine as things go. But you still have issues, I mean, a sex-bed might spawn poseballs which are adult, but can't be flagged as such (since once they're flagged they'd just delete themselves after use and spawn a new pair that are not flagged again), which raises issues with inheriting an adult rating and other potential issues. So I'm undecided here.

There's also the issue of people repeatedly flagging the same object until it goes adult, as the system is 90% likely to not store if you've already marked the object (think ratings system database size times a billion: per object instead of per agent).

There's also "being a dick" and making a non-adult skybox (for sake of argument) and then marking the floor as adult. Whoops, all the un-age-verified fall through to their death (if the floor can't be seen, just make a non-adult phantom duplicate ).

You also have a problem with non-age-verified making their own adult content and not marking it as such. It gets flagged by someone else? What if it's attached? All attacments of other avatars are treated as that avatar.

Some creative thinking, but it's all getting ridiculous. If all these hoops are required to jump through, what's the point? Just ban anything not PG grid wise, let the kiddies in and get it over with. Sell the ETickets and we'll all put on our Mouse Ears.

It will end up eventually , down the road -

To get on a Mature Parcel reguardelss of content - you must be verified

Pretty sure of this.

it would certainly be better for those of us with neighbors who won't verify, and I refuse to put banlines in their faces.

I do wonder about scripts though, scripts often call on content that get added later by users, and if the content is adult, I wonder if script errors will occur.

You would have a problem with sex beds. Although they would be invisible to non verified residents, verified avatars could use these and would be having sex on an invisible bed. This activity could be seen by non verified residents.

The answer here would be for the avatars to become invisible themselves to non verified residents - so they would vanish whilst having sex . When the avatars sit on the poseballs, then they effectively become part of that link set anyway.

Allex.

Interesting point. I've often wondered why there aren't two additional ban/access parameters: start height and end height. It would surely be a crowd pleaser. On the negative side, vehicle haters could extend banlines to 768m for the hell of it, but on the plus side more peaceable folk could limit banlines to their skyboxes only while leaving their builds on the ground open to all (or vice versa).

With such a system (which while not ideal would still be an improvement) you could easily impose a limit, so that the chunk of space you restrict is no more than say...60m for access restrictions and 'bulk-bans' such as no-payment-info-on-file, with individual bans still taking the full height.

oh this is another reason why the whole age verification thing is dumb not only is it likely that very few real minors are on SL but how many of them really come on here here with lots of cash ?
It seems silly that something like a sex bench or a naked avi pic can be deemed as to adult for a "minor" to view when in offline life kids can stay up and see TV programs like real sex and other various shows with nudity and sexuality and in places like the UK they can buy the sun newspaper with its infamous page three girls it seems like SL is going to become even more restrictive panic striken over sexual content and repressed than the offline world and TV land is.
This whole panic over SL and sex is really quite ridiculous when there are really no real children on SL..

Your argument is a bit weak. True, if a parent is so lax that they let their children watch 'real sex' on TV, they probably won't care about what goes on in SL either. But I think that's the minority of parents (I hope). The ones that don't want their kids watching 'real sex' on TV will be the same ones that don't want their kids seeing 2 AVs having sex. That's what the age verification hopes to prevent. And I think you would find there are more underage people on the main grid than anyone would like to admit.

Firstly I seriously doubt there are that many underaged people here since I have met no one so far that is younger than my 24 years. most people I have met here are 27-40 I seriously doubt that most people who are 16 or 17 are going to put their ages up to that degree, they would most likely put it up to say 18 -20 I have yet to meet anyone of that age here.

Actually your argument is weak in that it defeats itself , you claim that most youung children are not seing those programs on tv, firstly I would seriously doubt there are many 16 - 17 year olds that have not seen TV shows that contain adult ontented material at some point, probaly a lot stronger than on SL and also I seriously doubt that anyone who is breaking the age rule is much under 18 I seriously doubt that there are many pre teens running around here posing as 27-40 year olds I think they would be spotted within minutes.
Secondly in most nations people are allowed to participate in Flesh and blood sexual activity, at minus 18 it seems crazy that SL would suddenly want to introduce a freedom curtailing rule and change an sl way of life just to stop the possibilty of maybe some people a year or less short of 18 seeing some avi sex when in most nations such people are allowed to have actual Flesh and blood sex, in fact a the laws on sexual content in media are generally insane .
Thirdly and were your argument really fails is you claim that children do not get to see TV shows with sexual content because their pasrents do not allow it, you really think most parents police their 16 and 17 year olds tv watching habits that strictly when most people of that age have tvs in their own rooms.?

AND if what you stated on that was true then thats even more reason against and not for age verification, since if parents do not want their kids viewing adult material and police their TV watching THEN SHOULDN'T THEY ALSO BE POLICING THEIR KIDS INTERNET USEAGE.
its a lot easier to get hold of and view hardcore porn on the net than on tv and there is far more shocking stuff out there than AVI sex.
If parents don't want their kids viewing adult material then shouldn't it be their responsibilty to moniter their childs online activity. why should there be different rules to online than to tv?
And why should the whole populace of SL have to be inconvienced by these nanny state measures SL wants to take just because some parents are to lazy to moniter their childs online activities and want to use the pc as some kind of surrogate virtual baby sitter.
If parents don't want their kids viewing adult material then they should take the resposibilty of policing their childs activity online, and there are far bigger dangers to the young on places like my space and free porn sites and even pay per view porn adverts and many newspapers than there is from viewing AVI sex on SL.
It should be the parents stopping their kids roaming around adult SL,the parents should be policing their kids enough to make sure they are not signing onto to adult SL if they are not adults.
Why should everyone on SL have to sudffer inconviences because some parents don't want their children viewing sexual material in SL or online but are to lazy to police the "child" themselves and would rather everyone else is inconvienced and does their job for them.

Add to that which nations laws and even which states laws will this dumb ass age verification operate under after all the law on what age a person can view sexual material can vary greatly from nation to nation with porn will we be working under Dutch law which virtually seems to allow all to view sexual material and have sex at 14 or British law that barely allows any hardcore sexual media yet allows 16 year olds to have Flesh and Blood sex .
Or American laws where the law on viewing adult material and taking part in sexual activity can vary greatly from state to state.
Or how about we operate under Islamic laws since you seem to be all for the government and powers that be doing parents jobs for them and making everyone subject to Nanny state laws and we disallow all sexual material and even most sexual activity.
The whole appeal of SL is that its a free world where people are treated as adults and not subject to check up by nanny like governing bodies once that is gone then SL will lose much of its freedom and appeal.
Parents should be the ones policing and protecting their kids online activity its time that was realized that and stopped making everyone else suffer for some folks parental laziness.