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kk, this may sound like a joke at first, but it's not. Bear with me on this.

IDV is going in to "protect" us in case minors access the Grid. However, if we have "adult content" on land that is not flagged, we can be ARed.

Should we then file AR's against LL, and/or Philip Linden for not flagging the Grid (which LL owns) as having "adult content"?

One could argue that LL doesn't create any "adult content" and therefore is not libel for such on the Grid. However, the counter-arguement could be said that the Main Grid is advertised as "adult". Does that make LL responsible to ensure that only adults are on the Grid?

I admit, I'm torn on the issue.

On one hand I see IDV as a good thing. It can help protect a lot of people and perhaps remove some of the underage persons from the Grid if they can't access most of it.

On the other hand, I can see SL losing a lot of good people that are of age, but can not verify due to a multitude of reasons. I can also see people using this as a new form of harrassment by filing ARs on every little thing they do not like. What is concidered "adult" by one, might not be by another.

I expect widely varying answers (seeing as I see two sides all by myself), but please do keep it civil, and respect everyone's opinion. Even if that's just pie

~Jessy

P.S. Does anyone know how we can go and get verified NOW instead of having to wait for a rush when LL makes it mandatory?

Well but the tension there is that while the main grid is supposed to be all 18+, there are also "PG" sims on it. It's never been 100% adult content. That's always been the tension. I don't think it was LL's intent for the grid to be all "adult", which is why we have PG sims, but because some of the stuff that takes place on the Mature sims is *quite* adult, LL has to exclude underage people from the entire grid (in theory) or, under the new regime, from the really "adult" content on it (again in theory).

I think that the main grid and teen grids will merge once the verification scheme has been in place for a while. My guess is that is one of the non-liability related drivers of this process to begin with.

But at the end of the day, can't really do anything about it because its "Your world, your imagination, but our fu**ing grid!".

I really believe something along the lines of the following scenario is coming.

LL implements voluntary IDV and flagging.

Not enough people to satisfy LL actually go through IDV.

Alot of Landowners do not flag when they should or find sketchy loopholes like a PG club on PG land butt up against a Sex club on mature land. PG players can cam in and pay the dancers for whatever.

LL gets frustrated. They WANT to merge the grids but cant with this going on.

So they leave IDV voluntary. They just restrict anyone that does not go through the process to PG land and come down hard on boarder line violators.

This lets them keep thier user base by not making it mandatory but seriously forces much of the user base to IDV. And covers thier butts.

Darkness, I offer this slight modification to your prediction:

LL will make verification such a seamless part of registration that many noobs will have done it before they even think twice. So numbers of verified will grow pretty well over time. I'm not willing to fight for this opinion , it's just my guess.

Therefore, even if verification doesn't dominate, LL will be able to procrastinate on any further action until they've worked out how to handle 3rd party hosted sims that are somehow almost-but-not-quite part of the grid. (note i don't say "open source"; you don't actually have to open up the code to allow others to host and set up sims. Though it might end up being the easiest way).

At that point, LL will lay down the law that unverifieds will have to stick to PG zones. The teen grid will disappear. A huge market opportunity for landowners to host Mature sims will open up. Of course, LL cannot lay down law about any sims owned by others. Avatars will then be "hosted on" a subgrid of their choice ... 3rd party or LL.

This will be a major step toward LL divesting themselves of SL as anything other than a "demo" grid for their platform. Which, ultimately, is all I think they will want out of it.

Actually very long run I agree with you. I was looking at the 3-6 month range.

If LL would do this NOW then I think a lot of Residents would pull behind IDV (I cetainly would).

Why doesn't it make more sense to do IDV at signup?

Seriously. Am I missing something LL is seeing (easily possible, I'm not [quite] perfect [yet ]) But I can not honestly see a reason for LL NOT to put IDV at signup. Esspecially if they do intend to merge the Teen Grid with the Main Grid.

Doing IDV at signup, would let LL say Mature sims are Mature and PG sims are PG and nuff said there. Only major problem I see is the total chaos of spacing of PG sims on the Grid. As mentioned above, it will be useless to have land flagged as "adult" if there is PG land right next door.

Speaking on that; I have an LL roadway right by my house. Since anyone can camera into my house from the road (I only have a 1024m plot), isn't it sort of a waste of time to flag my parcel due to "visual" material (pictures and such)? And if I have a skybox, but have a security system in place, does that override the need for flagging the parcel?

Of course, we might all just be the guinea pigs for the IDV before LL puts it up on signup. If that's the case, I wish they'd just let us know that.

Is it really so hard for LL to COMMUNICATE with us? *looks at the new Communicate UI* ......nm....I retract that last question

~Jessy

? The issues I have with IDV have nothing to do with when it is performed. Looking thru the threads on this (and I think we should avoid hijacking this thread to IDV), the bulk of forum members are not concerned about its ease of use or when you can verify. The bulk of concerns appear to be with the entire concept of handing key identity data to LL and Integrity/Aristotle. That, and the absurdity of expecting that this low hurdle will keep minors off the grid.

And yes, I'm assuming that LL will make it part of signup relatively soon.

Probably still technically against the rules, but to me this seems like the most workable option for those who don't want to flag but also don't want to go Disney.

Since they allready have announced that IDV for the "normal" accounts (everything below consierge level) will cost something they will have to stop with advertising SL as a free game if they do the IDV at signup because I don't think that they are willing to pay for it themselves.

Possible scenarios could be:

- choose to sign up for free without IDV and only be able to view PG content or pay something at signing up and have access to all that is offered

- only allow signups with IDV and payment and cancel advertising SL as a free game

In my opinion the first scenario is the one most likely to come up