Land Owner/Vendor Question

Hey everyone. I am a new landowner. I own a beach club that gets very good traffic. I have been approached by a couple of vendors that want to set up small huts on my beach to sell their items. I am happy to oblige BUT I have no idea how to set this up for them. Right now my autoreturn is set for 5 minutes on my beach. Obviously I do not want their items returned to them.

I also don't want to deed the land to the group. I did that once already and accidentally returned all MY items after spending 5 days rebuilding this beach club. I sold the property back to myself for $1L.

So, having said all of that, what options are available to me to let these two vendors set objects on my land without being affected by autoreturn?

Thanks for your help!

you can subdivide the land, and turn off auto return.

then you can deed that same subdivided land to a group (that you made) and let them become members, and allow only members to build there.

i see no other way.

Thanks 3Ring. That's kinda what I thought I would have to do. So, subdivide the land, turn off auto-return, create a vendor only group for my beach, deed the subdivided plot to that new group and invite the two vendors to join the new group?

Would any other residents that are visiting my beach be able to create objects on that subdivided plot?

i made an error... if you subdivide, you can leave autoreturn on. then only group members can build (if you click that button) permanently, and others can rez stuff for 2 minutes, or whatever you have it set at.

just remember, traffic generated from your stores will not count towards your club, and visa versa.

Then I guess the only other question that I have is this:

Can I assign a prim value to the subdivided plot or is that done automatically?

You don't need "deed" the land to a group, just "set" the land to a group. Set the vendors to the same group. All stuffs seted to the same group of the land do will not return.

But make sure you set everything you don't want autoreturned to the group first!

The steps would be:
1. set autoreturn to 0
2. set and/or deed the land
3. set all your objects to the group
4. check the Objects tab of the About Land window for objects not owned by the group (and goto 3 if it's not 0)
5. cross your fingers
6. turn autoreturn back on

It's really not too hard to do - just take your time.

When the land is set to group (not deed) and you are the owner of the land (not land rented), the stuffs that belong to the owner no return to the owner, of course you are the owner of the land and also owner of the stuffs. Only objects belonged to another avatar needs to be set to the same group of the land.

Really? I didn't know that..

I'd do the deed thing anyway.. It's really not hard if you're careful.

I'm reminded if a clever trick that I've seen one mall owner employ.

Most of the mall allows no object rez for shoppers.

However, one area is carved out, and set to allow anyone to rez objects. This is clearly marked as an area that shoppers can go to if they want to open the packages that they just bought in the mall stores.

I thought it was a neat way to balance security but satsify shoppers.

If there are several parcels in the same sim, all owned by the same entity, they share prims. The "About Land/Objects" box will look pretty funny...it might say, for a 512 parcel, 117 prims allowed, 255 prims used...but as long as the total land area in that sim doesn't exceed its prim limit, all's well.

You cannot assign a prim value, though, unless it's a private estate and you are the owner.

At least, that's how it works on our 1/2 sim, group-owned...

There is nothing wrong with group owned land. By not deeding land to the group, you lose the 10% bonus - the ability to hold 10% more land than the tier contributed to the group. Think of all the prims you're missing.

You just have to learn to rez your items with your group tag on, or how to mass-select items and set them to group.

First of all, thank you all for your replies. It's a lot of information to process. I do have another question about the prim situation. If I subdivide a small corner of my beach for these two vendors, how do I know in advance how many prims will go with that? Also, are those prims subtracted from the rest of my beach or are they still usable outside that new subdivide on the rest of my beach?

The two vendors only need a total of about 30 prims to set up their booths. I understand from some of your posts that I cannot assign a prim value to this new subdivided plot, but again, how will I know how many prims will get assigned to that new plot?

Thanks again!

512 = 117 prims
256 = 58
128 = 29
64 = 14
32 = 7
16 = 3

and they are detracted from the total prims of your land.

it's really simple, you make a group, your the owner, your alt is a member. you set land to group, it does not need to be deeded, 'especially' if its private land. you cut the two stall holders a 128 plot (29 prims each) or a 144 plot (32 prims) join them to group and let then do their stuff.

yes they should wear their group tag for anything they want to rez on the land and that's their responsibility, no you don't have to wear your group tag to rez stuff, being the owner your stuff stays automatically. 'ONLY' if you deed the land, which you shouldn't or don't need to do, would you have this problem.

Dekka, thanks for spelling it out for me! I do have one more (probably stupid) question. The 512, 256, 128, etc numbers refer to exactly what? Square meters? Thanks again.

yes square meters, the smallest sub-divided area being 16 which is 4 x 4 meters. when you come to sub-divide you will see that. The most common area is the 512 meters square, that used to be offered as First Land, which was nearly always 16 x 32 meters.

Yep - square meters. Also frequently seen as 'm2' too.

Since a region is _always_ 65,536m2 and can contain 15,000 prims, the math is for the number of prims you get is m2_owned * 15000 / 65536. So, for a 512m2 chunk of land, it's 512 * 15000 / 65536 = 117.

For openspace/void regions, replace the 15000 with 3750.

Sorry to be such a pain but you subdivide by using EDIT TERRAIN and the SELECT LAND, right? Or is there a way to be more exact?

If you go with the option that requires everything set to group, I'd strongly advise using the Release Candidate viewer for that task... the release viewer shows the wrong group in the edit window for objects not set to a group

Yes

Ok, last question on this..............I hope!

If I subdivide part of my land, at some point can I go back and add this new subdivided plot back to the land that it was originally taken from?

Yep.

Yes again, you do nearly exactly the same, drag and select the subdivided parcel, keep dragging until the yellow box goes onto a part of the land it was taken from, choose join. Torley did a good video tutorial on this recently, if you forget just go and check it out. Actually it sounds to me you would benefit from watching as many of his vidtuts as you can