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Genku Kumaki
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Join date: 26 Sep 2007
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09-26-2007 20:43
This post involves a possibly new and automated system LL may have in place at this time dealing with money transfers and alts.

Yesterday, a friend of mine (let's call them friend B), contacted me and asked me to make a new name for them because, for some reason, LL's page wouldn't let them. I made the desired name for them with the email they told me about in the info. I put false information in the real life section which I found was a TOS violation today! OOPS!

Now, in comes friend A. Friend A gave friend B 5,000 Linden dollars to their freshly made account. Friend A has 3 alts, all verified with all of his real life information being correct. Friend A used one of these alts to give friend B the 5,000L.

A few minutes later, we were all sitting around in a clothing store having an alt party conversation...when suddenly....friend A and friend B (in their alt names) were simultaneously logged out by the "administrator". They were told their accounts would be available in 1 hour. An hour passed and then they were notified on the login page that their accounts have been disabled. No emails were sent to any of their email addresses provided.

The next day, friend A's main name was also disabled by LL. Friend A called LL in a panic stating what had happened and asked why his accounts were disabled. The why was met with silence as the employee looked up the information on the account in question. The employee asked for an alt history of friend A which he gave. Friend A was told his alt and his main name would be restored. Friend B's alt is still disabled. Friend B's main name was not disabled. My names were not disabled.



What does this all mean? I noticed today that new names have a daily spending limit of 10 USD or 2570L. I suggested that there is an automated system at play here watching for alts who try to overcome the spending and buying limits. Perhaps it is triggered if an SL screen name has a Linden dollar balance that exceeds its buying limit for the day? I don't know for sure....any suggestions?
Bree Giffen
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Join date: 22 Jun 2006
Posts: 2,715
09-26-2007 21:48
I think it's some automated system they put up to catch gamblers and money launderers.
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Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
09-26-2007 23:06
From: someone
I think it's some automated system they put up to catch gamblers and money launderers.
Yep.

It also does a great job of locking out banker accounts for group projects on a weekend because too many L$ were given to the banker. I think this is what LL means by "community building".

They did eventually unlock the accout which is faint praise, indeed, as the account (along with all the funds) simply vanished. If we didn't know LL played these automated tricks, we might have been concerned.
Genku Kumaki
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Join date: 26 Sep 2007
Posts: 29
Part 2 (Update)
09-27-2007 16:20
That's right folks; it is time for part 2 of this nightmare. Friend B's alt account is still deactivated. Today, Friend A's accounts, all of them, were disabled...again. The mystery, in part, seemed solved. He called LL and they told him he bought some Linden dollars illegitimately from someone. (Who they could not name.) Friend A told me they jogged their memory and said he bought $200 USD worth of Lindens back in May from someone he thought was a friend. Customer support said he had to fill out a support ticket. They also said in cases like these that if someone buys Lindens from someone else who stole them, then Friend A has to pay it back before his name will be restored. This seems a bit imbalanced since the criminal who stole the money in the first place and stole it is no longer in SL. Friend A has spent literally thousands of US dollars in land and Linden purchases over the past year. I don't know what to make of LL anymore. He had to call them back to figure out how to log in as a guest to fill out a support ticket since his name was disabled.
Newfie Pendragon
Crusty and proud of it
Join date: 19 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,025
09-27-2007 16:34
Man....last time I tried to follow a story so convoluted, it was an episode of CSI.

An unusual amount of money exchanged between alts, an unusual inability to create an alt (which is darned easy, 8 million 'accounts' attest to that), and an 'unexplained' locking and relocking of accounts. Gee, LL is being just awful to you, the innocent *cough* victim and all!

Oh and btw, welcome to SL Genku, rezzed yesterday. Sounds like you're having a busy day!


- Newfie
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Motorola Razor
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Join date: 18 Sep 2007
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09-27-2007 16:54
From: Newfie Pendragon
Man....last time I tried to follow a story so convoluted, it was an episode of CSI.

An unusual amount of money exchanged between alts, an unusual inability to create an alt (which is darned easy, 8 million 'accounts' attest to that), and an 'unexplained' locking and relocking of accounts. Gee, LL is being just awful to you, the innocent *cough* victim and all!

Oh and btw, welcome to SL Genku, rezzed yesterday. Sounds like you're having a busy day!


- Newfie


I am not the victim here. If you bothered to read something you might know that. Surely 5,000L is not an absurd amount of Lindens to give a friend's alt. God forbid we pump money into this dying economy. If LL is going to lock accounts for having too much money too soon, could they maybe...i dont know, tell us? It's a free market, shall we walk on eggshells wondering if the person we are buying Lindens from obtained them legitimately? Is it a crime to have an alt with verified info that matches the other accounts? Thanks for a "helpful answer".
Genku Kumaki
Registered User
Join date: 26 Sep 2007
Posts: 29
09-27-2007 17:10
From: Newfie Pendragon
Man....last time I tried to follow a story so convoluted, it was an episode of CSI.

An unusual amount of money exchanged between alts, an unusual inability to create an alt (which is darned easy, 8 million 'accounts' attest to that), and an 'unexplained' locking and relocking of accounts. Gee, LL is being just awful to you, the innocent *cough* victim and all!

Oh and btw, welcome to SL Genku, rezzed yesterday. Sounds like you're having a busy day!


- Newfie


I am not the victim here. Nothing bad happened to my accounts. My friends and I didn't do anything wrong other than accidentally purchase illegitimate Linden dollars from a bad source unknowingly. I don't appreciate the tone of your comment as though we tried to do something underhanded. If you don't want to follow the story I put effort into writing then please, just troll somewhere else. We were just having fun buying things in SL and chatting. Last I checked making an alt was free, boosted SL's numbers, and had many good qualities for the user. I don't think giving 5,000 Lindens to a new account is a bad thing. If it is a problem because of purchasing limits, then please LL, let me know. I don't think it's fair that a thief can get away free and clear by selling Lindens they "stole", and the buyer is left with the bill again.
Jesse Barnett
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Join date: 21 May 2006
Posts: 4,160
09-27-2007 20:52
From: Genku Kumaki
He called LL and they told him he bought some Linden dollars ILLEGITIMATELY from someone. (Who they could not name.) Friend A told me they jogged their memory and said he bought $200 USD worth of Lindens back in May from someone he thought was a friend. Customer support said he had to fill out a support ticket. They also said in cases like these that if someone buys Lindens from someone else who STOLE them, then Friend A has to pay it back before his name will be restored.

First, it would have been extremely fascinating watching this transaction go down. My imagination comes up with some scenario like this: "psst, I have some stolen lindens and if you give me $200 I'll give you $L500 per $US1."

Secondly, If you receive stolen property in real life then you have no claims for the monetary value when you are caught. In real life you loose the money and go see the judge. So just having to just pay them back is letting Freind A off easy.
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I am still around, just no longer here. See you across the aisle. Hope LL burns in hell for archiving this forum