Donations and downgrading.....Another Land/Tier Puzzle....

Hello All,

Is this right ?

A group owner wants to downgrade her tier payments.She pays tier for 8192m and wants to downgrade to 4096.She has asked another group member who has over 5000m in unused tier to donate 4096 to the group so that she can downgrade and the group can still own the 8192m land.So the following should then happen :

1. The group member donates the land and gets no tier bill increasement because this was unused tier he was already paying LL for.
2. The group owner removes 4096 of her group contribution and then downgrades her tier in her account understanding that she still will pay full peak on her next bill but thenafter does get her tier reduction.
3. Depending on the group settings....the group member should consider this land to be no longer his unless the group owner changes his membership settings or if he leaves the group in which the donation is returned to him.

Sounds complicated and simple....What am I overlooking ?....your opinions and solutions pls.

You have it right.

But....

on 2) -
"Downgrading tier" in your account does nothing to affect the tier you pay. It simply sets the level at which a land purchase will trigger a *warning* of a tier increase.
Tier is charged on land_held + donations (max of the total thereof during the month leading up to bill date)

on 3) -
It's best not to consider that you own any group land.
*You* don't own it. The group owns it. If you are an owner of the group then you simply have control over the selling of group land. So does any other owner, or any member whose role allows control of land sales. You simply have to trust the other owners.
If you are not a group owner, your "ownership" of any group land is tenuous at the very best. You simply have to trust that the group as a whole continues to donate sufficient tier.

She has asked another group member who has over 5000m in unused tier to donate 4096 to the group so that she can downgrade and the group can still own the 8192m land.
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If the other group member has 5000m in unused tier this means no land is associated with that tier so to answer your questions below....
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So the following should then happen :

1. The group member donates the land and gets no tier bill increasement because this was used tier he was already paying LL for.

The group member has no land to donate. He would only be donating tier, which, if he hasn't owned land in the last billing cycle he would not have been paying LL for. You only get charged for your maximum land usage for any particular month. Even if you have your tier set at a higher level. But no, there would be no increase in the stated amount he'd have to pay for that amount of tier.

2. The group owner removes 4096 of her group contribution and then downgrades her tier in her account understanding that she still will pay full peak on her next bill but thenafter does get her tier reduction.

Yes except she will not be able to reduce her tier until after the next billing cycle

3. Depending on the group settings....the group member should consider this land to be no longer his unless the group owner changes his membership settings or if he leaves the group in which the donation is returned to him.

Again, I'm slightyly confused by the reference to land when you seem to be talking about donating unused tier. He should consider the tier as unavailable to him to purchase more land yes, and it will be removed from the group if he leaves.

Sounds complicated and simple....What am I overlooking ?....your opinions and solutions pls.

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If the group owner wishes to downgrade the following will need to happen....

1. She finds someone to cover the amount of tier she needs to remove from the group to allow her to downgrade. Not land but tier. (As she seems to have done)

2. That person donates his/her tier (contribution) to ensure the group has enough credits (tier) to cover the group owned land.

3. The group owner then removes the portion of her contribution she wishes to and after the next billing cycle her tier will reduce to the appropriate level automatically (however, if she doesn't change her tier level via her account page that amount of tier remains available for her to purchase land, it just isn't billed to that level, you only pay for your maximum land usage)

I hope I didn't confuse you more. Land transactions are always very convoluted but as you point out, really very simple lol

~B

Edit: LOL Sling got in before me

No. If it was "used tier" then they would not be able to donate it because it is being used, so I'm assuming you meant "unused tier" there.

In that case, if they really did have 4096sqm of unused tier then it is possible they would not be being billed for it, because you are only billed for tier based on the maximum amount you actually used in a month. If they were on the 8192sqm tier for example, and they had 4096sqm unused, then they were only using 4096sqm so they would pay only for the 4096sqm tier. (But if they were on the 16384sqm tier, then 4096sqm unused isn't enough to bring them down to a lower tier, so they would still pay the full 16384sqm fee.)



Correct.



If he leaves the group, the donation will be returned to him. The other factors are a social matter for the group to decide.

Thanks for the replies.Yes Yumi it was a mis-spelling on my part and shall edit it.But you all more or less agree which means I have also got it more or less right