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Vala Avro

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09-12-2009 12:39

Why LL don't care about ATI customers? I have read some post about ATI bugs and all the time the answer is, buy a Nvidia or disable X or Y graphic options.
But what happens when you can't buy a Nvidia card cause you have finaly choose ATI for your all new configuration...

Please Linden Lab finish next viewer to fully support any ATI Radeon and with full options up.

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Anyway its maybe time to update the viewer to support (add) last graphics card don't you think? ...

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09-12-2009 12:47

I think it's the way ATI doesn't do as good a job using OpenGL as Nvidia does that makes the difference.

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Darkness Anubis

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09-12-2009 14:36

over the years I have used both NVidea and ATI cards with SL.

I have flat been told by Lindens that the problem with ATI is on ATI's end and how they implemented open GL. Simply put LL is never going to fully support ATI.

That said I honestly am not having problems with my current ATI cards. If there are glitches I just am not seeing them in SL. ATI was not my card of choice when I got this machine but I cant say I have been dissappointed. Even so next machine if humanly possible will be NVidea.

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Rhonda Huntress

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09-12-2009 14:57

You are barking up the wrong tree, Vala, but we all understand your frustration. You could try asking for them to go to DirectX so that any modern video card manufacturer will be better supported, plus solve several glitches in the process like the alpha layering bug. That it will mean the loss of Linux and Mac users, however. It is all a trade off in the end.

Veritable Quandry

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09-13-2009 09:18

From: Darkness Anubis

Simply put LL is never going to fully support ATI.

Actually, it's the other way around. There is nothing SL can do in their software to fix faulty OpenGL support. It is ATI that has decided not to fully support SL or other OpenGL applications.

VonGklugelstein Alter

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09-13-2009 09:44

the last update of my Nvidia Card causes the entire computer to lock up when SL viewer goes to detect the hardware lol..

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09-13-2009 09:59

From: Rhonda Huntress

You are barking up the wrong tree, Vala, but we all understand your frustration. You could try asking for them to go to DirectX so that any modern video card manufacturer will be better supported, plus solve several glitches in the process like the alpha layering bug. That it will mean the loss of Linux and Mac users, however. It is all a trade off in the end.

Rather than imposing even more limits on those who do not wish to be a participant in Microsoft's empire, why not contact ATI and demand that they provide better support for OpenGL in their drivers? Linden Labs are guilty of a lot of things that are wrong with their software, but this isn't one of them.

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09-13-2009 15:28

From: Veritable Quandry

Actually, it's the other way around. There is nothing SL can do in their software to fix faulty OpenGL support. It is ATI that has decided not to fully support SL or other OpenGL applications.

Actually I fully understand that the OP was going to demand LL change and this time it isnt thier doing really.

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09-14-2009 08:47

From: Darkness Anubis

Actually I fully understand that the OP was going to demand LL change and this time it isnt thier doing really.

That's not exactly right. Surely ATi is the main culprit but LL could certainly implement existing fixes for ATi users.
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/vwr-12540

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Veritable Quandry

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09-14-2009 09:47

From: Boy Lane

That's not exactly right. Surely ATi is the main culprit but LL could certainly implement existing fixes for ATi users.
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/vwr-12540

Interesting. Good thing there's enough blame to go around.

Micheal Moonlight

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09-14-2009 09:54

Kinda wish they would release a DX version for us windows users and go on with the opengl version for mac/linux like some other games do.... the bugs like alpha rendering really do get annoying and I don't see why we should have to suffer them because some people won't join Microsofts tyrannical empire... (note the sarcasm

i really don't have anything against mac users)

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Vala Avro Registered User Join date: 13 Sep 2008 Posts: 1	09-12-2009 12:39 Why LL don't care about ATI customers? I have read some post about ATI bugs and all the time the answer is, buy a Nvidia or disable X or Y graphic options. But what happens when you can't buy a Nvidia card cause you have finaly choose ATI for your all new configuration... Please Linden Lab finish next viewer to fully support any ATI Radeon and with full options up. -edit- Anyway its maybe time to update the viewer to support (add) last graphics card don't you think? ...
Osprey Therian I want capslocklock Join date: 6 Jul 2004 Posts: 5,049	09-12-2009 12:47 I think it's the way ATI doesn't do as good a job using OpenGL as Nvidia does that makes the difference. _____________________ http:www.atomic-raygun.com Combat Cards in Europa [url=http://slurl.com/secondlife/grignano/118/116/]The Photography Studio in Grignano[/url] Mud! Mud! Glorious mud! Nothing quite like it for cooling the blood. So, follow me, follow, down to the hollow, And there let us wallow in glorious mud. Flanders and Swan
Darkness Anubis Registered User Join date: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,628	09-12-2009 14:36 over the years I have used both NVidea and ATI cards with SL. I have flat been told by Lindens that the problem with ATI is on ATI's end and how they implemented open GL. Simply put LL is never going to fully support ATI. That said I honestly am not having problems with my current ATI cards. If there are glitches I just am not seeing them in SL. ATI was not my card of choice when I got this machine but I cant say I have been dissappointed. Even so next machine if humanly possible will be NVidea. _____________________
Rhonda Huntress Kitteh Herder Join date: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 1,823	09-12-2009 14:57 You are barking up the wrong tree, Vala, but we all understand your frustration. You could try asking for them to go to DirectX so that any modern video card manufacturer will be better supported, plus solve several glitches in the process like the alpha layering bug. That it will mean the loss of Linux and Mac users, however. It is all a trade off in the end.
Veritable Quandry Meddling kid. Join date: 23 May 2008 Posts: 519	09-13-2009 09:18 From: Darkness Anubis Simply put LL is never going to fully support ATI. Actually, it's the other way around. There is nothing SL can do in their software to fix faulty OpenGL support. It is ATI that has decided not to fully support SL or other OpenGL applications.
VonGklugelstein Alter Bedah Profeshinal Tekstur Join date: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 808	09-13-2009 09:44 the last update of my Nvidia Card causes the entire computer to lock up when SL viewer goes to detect the hardware lol.. _____________________
Katheryne Helendale (loading...) Join date: 5 Jun 2008 Posts: 2,187	09-13-2009 09:59 From: Rhonda Huntress You are barking up the wrong tree, Vala, but we all understand your frustration. You could try asking for them to go to DirectX so that any modern video card manufacturer will be better supported, plus solve several glitches in the process like the alpha layering bug. That it will mean the loss of Linux and Mac users, however. It is all a trade off in the end. Rather than imposing even more limits on those who do not wish to be a participant in Microsoft's empire, why not contact ATI and demand that they provide better support for OpenGL in their drivers? Linden Labs are guilty of a lot of things that are wrong with their software, but this isn't one of them. _____________________ From: Debra Himmel Of course, its all just another conspiracy, and I'm a conspiracy nut. Need a high-quality custom or pre-fab home? Please check out my XStreetSL Marketplace at http://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=231434/ or IM me in-world.
Darkness Anubis Registered User Join date: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,628	09-13-2009 15:28 From: Veritable Quandry Actually, it's the other way around. There is nothing SL can do in their software to fix faulty OpenGL support. It is ATI that has decided not to fully support SL or other OpenGL applications. Actually I fully understand that the OP was going to demand LL change and this time it isnt thier doing really. _____________________
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	09-14-2009 08:47 From: Darkness Anubis Actually I fully understand that the OP was going to demand LL change and this time it isnt thier doing really. That's not exactly right. Surely ATi is the main culprit but LL could certainly implement existing fixes for ATi users. http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/vwr-12540 _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Veritable Quandry Meddling kid. Join date: 23 May 2008 Posts: 519	09-14-2009 09:47 From: Boy Lane That's not exactly right. Surely ATi is the main culprit but LL could certainly implement existing fixes for ATi users. http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/vwr-12540 Interesting. Good thing there's enough blame to go around.
Micheal Moonlight Registered User Join date: 4 Sep 2005 Posts: 197	09-14-2009 09:54 Kinda wish they would release a DX version for us windows users and go on with the opengl version for mac/linux like some other games do.... the bugs like alpha rendering really do get annoying and I don't see why we should have to suffer them because some people won't join Microsofts tyrannical empire... (note the sarcasm i really don't have anything against mac users)