Why no red light districts? Or selling districts etc?

This would put an end to many of the problems we go through. I bought first land in a lovely neighborhood and a bully came and bought all the land around me, made a sex mall.

My properties are worthless to me now.

Why can't SL make areas that are residential only? In RL thats what we do.. its called zoning!

Very unfair that people get bullied out of first land. It isn't like it matters that this porn shop is in my neighborhood or someplace else. People tp, it dosn't have to be walking distance.

LL did experiment with that at one point, the Brown region is still set up that way (and land prices there can be breathtaking). It's hard to imagine that LL could successfully manage that kind of thing on a large scale though, the whole company is under 300 people even now.

The basic reason is that LL don't want to have to deal with that in their business model. If they wanted to do that, then when they put out say 20 new sims, they would have to decide how many would be commercial and how many would be residential and how many would be red light and so on, and then the prices on land with different purposes would start to vary based on the demand for new land in those markets, and ARs would flood in for zoning violations...

Some private estates have zoned areas for rental, if you would like one.

Zoning is nothing but enforced scarcity and a restriction of the freedom of the land owner. Land prices will go up for people just getting into the game. If you want less freedom, rent on a private estate.

Also, think of it this way: This would mean that those of us who have shops and homes in the same sim couldn't do it. I also would refuse to pay tier for two separate parcels on different sims, since neither could contribute prims to the count of the other. In short, it's too much hassle to retrain us to the idea now.

It is sad, but this is why people also grab as much land as possible - in order that they can have the space surrounding them "just in case" such things happen. One of my friends kept buying every inch around him, until he wound up with 8000 sq. meters of gorgeous private land and doesn't have to worry about who or what encroaches upon him, including the sex emporium next door (which, BTW, did go out of business last month). We should all be that lucky to be able to afford that tier and land!

I bought more than I intended, swore I was only going to buy a 512 lot and finally settled on 2560, just enough space to give me some privacy from the neighbors. I'm on mainland, wanted the freedom to do what I pleased and was willing to take the chance of what might happen next door. Has it been perfect? No, although I'll admit nowhere near your situation by any means. When I bought, I was the first person there, in a sea of nothing. I thought I'd found paradise! Well, that lasted about 2 weeks.

But, it's still a slice of heaven for me. I'm glad you managed, with the help of people here, to get some satisfaction for your problem. But, unfortunately, placing zoning restrictions on mainland isn't really going to solve anything and, too complicated for the Lindens to bother with.

good lord. how many threads you gonna make for your same poor pitiful little plight? i'm quickly losing my sympathy for you and understanding why you are a perpetual victim. sheesh.

Well 3 Ring, I guess this will make my 2nd thread asking for help or making a comment about the situation in 3 years. My "poor pitiful little plight" has not ended. So if you have a problem with me coming here and asking for advice or making a suggestion, I suggest you ignore my threads and get a RL, I don't need your sympathy and you obviously don't understand.

There is a feature suggestion forum, for suggesting features, such as, for example, zoning. If you go to the feature suggestion forum, and do a search for zoning you will find many threads discussing the subject. You will also find existing suggestions in the Jira on the subject of zoning. The jira site is the place of greater importance for a suggestion you think is well written enough to submit to the Linden staff for consideration.

This is a support forum, primarily for asking questions about how to use Second Life that aren't more appropriately asked in the content creation forums, or questions about Second Life, such as what the name of the company that created it is, etc.

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Are the Blumfield, Shermerville NW, WestHaven, or Shermerville Central sims restricted? There doesn't seem to be a covenant for the parcels.

I see a 512 sm parcel for only 94995 in Westhaven.

I wasn't actually making a suggestion. I was pretty much pondering to the only people who answer my questions. I wouldn't bother to post anything to the Lindens directly since they tend to not answer questions I have asked.

Why I should give be the one to give up my first land is beyond me. When I bought it there were no sex clubs, it was a nice area. In rl you couldn't build to the edge of your property line, or beyond it like you can here.

The thing that has me most annoyed is that I asked for help from the Lindens for my neighbors infringement for many months, they only helped when I infringed on the other guy.... and they run to help him keep his sex shop in buisness.

Yeah zoning would be too difficult for the Lindens to administrate and enforce. Enforcing that land be marked age-verified is something they can take care of apparently.

But they aren't doing even that, they handed the problem off to their customers with the verified flag.

The age thing is simply a matter of flagging AV's and plots, essentially self policing. Zoning is a matter of taste and judgment.

The Lindens will never create zoned areas in SL. They have a history of noninterference with the personal business of residents. Its much easier for them if they remain neutral. SL will get a red light district when one of the numerous land barons decides to create one.

Helga - Given that it's your First Land and you had it when you first signed up, I can understand your hesitancy to give up the land. But what is left there for you now? It's fine and dandy to say... 'this was my first land! I want to keep it for sentimental/prestige reasons!' - but to what extent does this matter anymore? And to what extent should you have to tolerate neighboring content that you disagree with just because you want to hang on to the first land you ever held in SL?

As someone who bought in to the mainland - IE: land that has no covenant and for which tier is paid directly to LL - you pretty much agreed to any circumstance that developed around your land through its purchase. In effect by purchasing a mainland parcel, you basically went in full well understanding that anything could (and as it happens DID) develop around it.

The fact that you spent so much time away from the parcel and remained unaware of what happened around it does not help either. Perhaps if you'd seen the changes coming, a move would have been in order?

In any case, I've been in similar situations to yours several times in the past few months. There are some good sims and some bad sims... and I find it really necessary to keep one's mind and eyes open as far as what is and isn't acceptable to hang around. It is often necessary to figure out the proper balance of what to tolerate and what NOT to tolerate... and what one should do with it.

As for renting from private estates - this may be an equitable solution, even if you've had bad experiences in the past. Why? Privacy, zoning, basic membership, possible development of friendship with neighbors of like mind. If one company did not work well for you, consider another more reliable one.

It sounds like you prefer the apparent stability and lack of maintenance required by mainland, but don't want to deal with the consequences of the land being on the mainland... Ultimately i think you need to examine just how important to you it is to actually hold land, no matter where it is located.

You've been suggested many solutions to your problem and many people have commented on why zoning on the mainland just doesn't work.

The lack of zoning on the mainland is its nature, unless the land is controlled by one landowner and sub-let. If this isn't to your liking, consider moving. Beyond that... I'm afraid i have to agree with 3Ring in the sentiment that perhaps three threads directly related to not agreeing with your mainland neighbor, even after significant help was offered to you for that specific situation, is a perhaps a bit much.

why does this person above remind me of someone. His comment is the same but different user name.

The minute you try and control what people do, you have defeated the entire purpose of a metaverse. What next? Someone decides a particular object is offensive and whines to LL that they shouldn't allow it any longer. Then a piece of clothing. Then an idea. A theme. Ok, let's only allow African-Americans in the north. Gays in the east. Oops, put the damn Jews in the southwest corner where no Christian will ever see them. Then we can separate everyone and never expose anyone to anything outside of their comfy little belief systems.

You've already griped about this in two other posts. These people have every right to buy, build, and express themselves wherever and however they want.

As for bullies, another fact of SL, just like in RL. Gee, I hope all this whining isn't indicative of your RL, otherwise you must be a pretty fragile human being.

As for zoning -- this isn't real life, princess. This is a platform for self-expression. If you can't take how your area has changed, then take the hit, sell your land, and move. We all have to deal with losses in our lives -- get over it.

It seems like you are expending a whole lot of energy when there are so many simple/fun solutions to solve your gripe. You can move. You can band together with your neighbors and find a way to force them out. I'll bet if you put up a giant cross with Jesus on it showering little bibles all over, they might get tired of it and leave. I'm the last person to suggest anything Christian, but I'd love to see that. I might even help.

When you ask "why isn't there zoning in SL" in a forum like this, it suggests that you might want to know why there isn't zoning. There's ample discussion about zoning in the archives and the feature suggestion forum and probably some others.

You might consider putting a GOOD porno store next to your neighbor's and use the proceeds to rent some some land in a private sim.

HAhahahah a watcher I assume .........

Maybe I'm the only one..but I've had VERY few incidents due to no 'districts', the only one being a neighbour is an escort with a large place for what she does, but now we're friends, and nothing escapes her parcel.

Not a bully, a business person. It happens. Buy private island for no risk of ugly things (Essentially none any way). If you can't deal with the sight of the sex mall, make a nice looking wall. If they have things that say stuff that comes into your land, AR it. Pretty easy

Wow. That's sad. I have 10km... next to some UGLY stuff, and yet I absolutely love it. Just as I loved my 2048 when it had 2 clubs, a big factory thing (Still ther), the aforementioned escort..you have no tolerance it seems, honestly.. make a wall, and ta-da, worth is back


There is no first land any more, and if you're being 'bullied' into selling your land it's your problem. If they are particle spamming, putting things to hang over your land, then AR it. If you can't handle the porn beingso close... move. Seriously, it's all over SL. If it's in a PG sim, AR it, otherwise kinda..well..should be expected. Hell, move your Home into the sky if you want!

"There oughta be a law!"


More government is never the answer. If you choose to have less freedom, there are places you can go. You have the ... freedom .. to do that. Most people who cry out for more governance, however, clamor for less freedom ... for someone ELSE ...

... while personal responsibility for themselves is obviously a foreign concept. "I'm unhappy, therefore the Powers That Be should mess with everyone else, until I AM happy."

The mind boggles.

Problem is most of these problems LLABs will not deal with. Because they are more worried about keeping users then throwing them out.

LL wont do a thing about a sex shop on mainland unless the sex shop uses up the total available estate agent resources (40 by default) consistently for long periods of time (90% or more), essentially creating a denial of service for other avatars who own land there that cannot get in, provided that each resident who owns land there consistently files an AR report everyday, then some action might be taken within a few days.
but this depends on how many unique avatars who own a plot actually file the AR, if not enough avatars complain (some have land and never use it), no action will be taken and it may as well be useless.
i found that sending notecards to plot owners offering them to send in an AR report about a suspect shop using up the agent resources and explaining to those plot owners why they cant get into their land (some dont understand why) certainly helps, its sort of like organizing a petition in real life.
it basically boils down to this:
if enough plot owners complain to LL, then action will be taken.