Pay Group Liabilities

Iv'e just learned about this issue with "Pay Group Liabilities" under accounting in the group permissions from reading here. Thanks to all!

I am quite shocked that 80% of the groups I belong to have this turned on for "Everyone".
Its obviously a bad default to have.

What is puzzling me is I have reviewed my account details and I do not see any of these charges on my account. I would assume that I would see them since I know these paces advertise ( I see their stores in search). Is there a case where this group option can be turned on yet you still would not get billed a portion of the search charges?

Thanks. And again very greatful for the info. Gonna go and tell these people they could lose their profits if they sell!!!!

Tony

please explain..are there loop holes in being part of a group i dont know about?

~Lana Tomba

what kind of search?
the only charge is the one for show in places
you can check and see if the groups have the group land set to this option by going to the land and checking the land info tabs

(sometimes groups do not have land, therefor no charges incurred)

Unless there is other charges that groups get.
I am not aware of any other charges to a group, other than the show in places. For 30L a week

If the groups don't own land that is listed in places, incurring the 30L a week charge, then you won't have a transaction to show.

and if youre a group member can you be charged without being told?...for anything?

~Lana Tomba

No, just for a share of the 30L a week if the group land is posted in places.

lana yes but afaik only the show in places incurs any kind of group fees

(and the way that you are charged is if you belong to a role that has the accounting box checked)

Edited to add just saw chris' post, it seems we are contradicting but I think we read the question differently.

I read it as, can I be charged when in a group, even if the owner doesn't tell me I will be charged

the answer in short is yes, but only if they are using the show in places for land that the group owns.

yes but..i could be unknowingly unwillingly paying for someone elses classifieds when i cant see paying for my own. How can I find out if Im paying for someone else classifieds?

~Lana Tomba

check the group info, look at the roles you are in, see if any of those roles have the accounting box checked

then if it does, check to see on the land tab, if the group owns land
if it does go to said land, and see if they have show in places checked

if they do, then you may be charged (then check your account history and see if anything was taken out for said group)

PS it is not classifieds, it is only the show in places, nothing else is charged to a group

wow...Thankyou...I had no idea....I wonder if its not just easier to leave group or check my transactions. Amazing how the Lindens allow this with no notification

~Lana Tomba

ya know the last couple of times I've tried checking my transaction window..nothing has loaded..only a Linden total;..is there a button I'm missing?

~Lana Tomba

maybe you had no transactions in the time period you had picked

just make the time frame longer

and I wish that they would make the accounting as default off for everyone in a group, annoying that a lot of places are not aware of this and end up charging the individuals

recently I had a charge of over 100L for just such thing
It was for a mall type place I set up a store at
they had the stores all (it seemed) individual plots, set to be in the show in places thing

I contacted the owner and let them know, they were not aware of it
so they fixed and refunded the money

it is easy to overlook when setting up a group

something on that page isn't loading..a button or something..I'm not getting an option to or see a place to change from when to when

~Lana Tomba

on the transactions history page you should have the 2 drop down menus, in the show date range.

If they are not there, then maybe refresh the page (hold shift when hitting refresh, to force it to update and not pull from cache)

other than that, not sure what to suggest

Linden Dollar Summary


Your Balances
L$ US$0.00
Your Remaining LindeX Trading Limits
per 24 hours per 30 days
Buy US$2,500.00 US$2,500.00
Sell US$2,500.00 US$2,500.00
Your Remaining Account Billing Limits
per 24 hours per 30 days
Purchase US$5,000.00 US$5,000.00



For information on how your US$ balance can be used please click here.

Your Open Orders


Order Id Order Type Quantity Ordered Quantity Filled Limit Rate Time Opened



Your Closed Orders (closed in the past 30 days)


Order Id Order Type Quantity Ordered Quantity Filled Limit Rate Time Opened Time Closed Closure Method Gross US$ Net US$


that's all im seeing..i'm sure it copied all screwy but i'm not seeing that drop down menu..very odd..Thanx anyways though.

~Lana Tomba

Oh, that's the Lindex trading summary. The in-world transaction history is a whole 'nother page :/

http://secondlife.com/account/transactions.php is the spot with the in-world stuff.

oops sorry went to do some reading (of a book LOL) and did not see your response, but I see it has been answered

Ok, here's what I do know about the group liabilities and all.

Anyone whose role is granted "pay group liabilities" permissions in the "accounting" section of the group abilities will pay the "parcel directory fee". If your group owns 512m2 of land, has the land deeded to group, AND has it split into 16m2 plots, all listed in the parcel directory, there are 32 charges of the parcel directory fee of 30L, thus making group liabilites 960L per week. There's some advantage to parceling and advertising like this, without it being an adfarm. You can see which of your TP points gets the most traffic, you can see which ad wording is collecting the most people, etc.

Sticking to one 512 plot with a 30L parcel directory fee, if your group has 30 people in it, all with the pay liabilities checked, the parcel fee is divided amongst the group members. Meaning 30 divided by 30 equals 1L each in liabilities. Since there's no sense or cents in the L dollar, if there are 60 people and the parcel fee is 30L, only 30 people get stung by the liabilities. So you may or may not get charged by it.

If you're in a group with this role ability checked, I would recommend asking the group owner to remove the liabilities from your role. If they do not, or if you suspect that it was done to minimize their costs as group owners, I would leave the group. If they've been around enough to figure out how to start a group and keep it open, they've been around enough to know to check the abilities for the roles.

And it's not fair to the people who join your group to pay to advertise for your business. It's bad business, in my opinion.

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I belong to several groups, making sure that the checkbox was not checked for my role being one that pays group liabilities. However, that does not mean that that will always be so... because the group owners could check that box later without telling anybody.

Think about all of those places out there that ask you to join their free group so that you can access certain things and benefit from other things in their shops, clubs, etc.. You check in the beginning to make sure that you are not responsible for group liabilities. The group gets land, gets charged for thing, all over a period of time, and then one day the box gets checked because the group owners are having a bad month. Next thing you know you and all other members get charged for the group's liabilities. That could happen very easily. In fact, that little checkbox for responsible for liabilties could be checked only hours before a payment is due from the group.

Really, you have to be very careful of what groups you join. You have to watch them like hawks because all it takes is a bad month and/or a dishonest person.