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Iyoba Tarantal

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07-15-2008 10:31

I wish we had some sort of zoning on the mainland because it would address problems like this.

At the other end of the alleyway between two of my neighbors was a large green plot of land owned by ___________ It was going to be a Zyngo parlor. I have mixed feelings about Zyngo, but I like neighbors and explorers which is why I leave the entrance to the alley open. I was looking forward to more development and more neighbors.

I also hoped to talk with the owner of the Zyngo parlor and see if he would rent me some advertising space since I want to give away freebies on my land. I did some research on the group and found that they had all ready built above the big green piece of land at the end of the alley.

They built at 500m above ground level and made the parcel and the Zyngo parlor no fly zones. That means no one on the ground can find them. That means also that since they are using the ground for primmage, it is likely to remain a no-fly zone and a piece of absolutely empty green desert.

When ground is this empty it does not invite walking. At the very least it needs landmarks.

In the real world zoning regulations address this. In big cities, there are rules about set backs on skyscrapers so they don't cast too much shadow into the street. Compare skyscrapers in New York City to those in Atlanta and if you really want some fun, compare them to skyscrapers in Alberta, Canada. When a local Indian tribe where I used to live put up a casino, the county zoning board asked them to landscape it to harmonize with the semi-rural swath of Central New York in which it was located and not to make it too glitzy. Turning Stone is far nicer than the casinos on the pre-Katrina Gulf Coast.

Now due to absence of zoning I've got a green desert for a near neighbor. I wish we had some zoning rules to prevent this, and I'm not talking about outlawing skyboxes. Zyngo parlors are public amenities. I think those who put them in should either have to make them ground accessible (teleporter, permit flight) etc... or at least put in landmarks to make their groundspace explorer friendly.

Joseph Abel

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07-15-2008 10:45

A couple of thoughts come to mind...

First off, the flat green desert could be a poorly conceived / built / textured structure that stretches from border to border of their plot (or further, if they're terribly inconsiderate) - so, that's not so bad.

They obviously feel that the sky is the proper location for their business, and don't want people flying around within it - perhaps they have more structures at a higher altitude they don't want anyone flying up to?

Their teleport routing may go right to their business, instead of on the ground, so the ground is simply an inconvenience for them anyway, perhaps?

Nothing stopping you from renting ad space in their joint...regardless of location. In fact, the sign could be sort of fun with a "Freebies - 500m straight down!" kind of feel...

Remember, just because no fly is enabled, it doesn't ground everyone - if someone flies onto that land, but doesn't touch down, they can keep right on flying, so it won't slow explorers down much, I'd think.

Zoning: that's an argument that's been kicked around quite a bit. I'm certain there are plenty of JIRA's you can vote on if you have a look.

Finally, if object entry isn't blocked, and auto-return isn't on, you could likely put some of your own objects on that desert if you want to make it more visually stimulating.

...and others will have better ideas as well...

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CCTV Giant

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07-15-2008 12:07

The problem with zoning is that everyone sees it differently and usually motivated by personal taste. Look at it this way -- You could have some ugly megalithic abstract structure next to you that would offend the offensive. Your idea of what's right is only going to ring true to a percentage of the population while the other portion will embrace the bizarre and the void. That' mainland my friend..........it could be a penis farm.

Rhaorth Antonelli

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07-15-2008 12:28

I got tired of the open space on my land and brought my store back to ground level and even added some stuff around the area...

looks much nicer than just a big pond

maybe ask them if they would let you put some stuff on it (if they can spare the prims) if you dislike the openness that much

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07-15-2008 12:43

From: Joseph Abel

A couple of thoughts come to mind...

First off, the flat green desert could be a poorly conceived / built / textured structure that stretches from border to border of their plot (or further, if they're terribly inconsiderate) - so, that's not so bad.

.......

I wish the Zyngo palace beside me in Eldfell would build at 500 m and leave the 'ground' empty. It's all water, and they have built a 8192 slab border to border sitting on the water.
I built a prim beach along the Western edge of the sim and put sculpty cliffs twixt them and me to hide their neon and plastic. They complained that I was blocking their view!

Well, if you want the sunset and moon over an ocean, you either have to buy it or visit my public beach - still a work in progress.
All welcome. I found some great sculpt reef foam that works a treat. Breaking waves are soooooo cliché. Although - I do have a line of those, but the sculpt foam and the spray thingies redeems them.

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Iyoba Tarantal

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07-15-2008 15:10

I visited the Zyngo parlor yesterday. They don't host any one's advertising except their own. The reason it is up there in the sky is so those there to game, can't go seeing what else is in the neighborhood. I can ask if they'll let me put up a sign and see what they charge.

Nic Writer

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07-15-2008 15:47

Another stray thought - by putting the Zyngo parlor in the sky, your neighbors have potentially saved you quite a bit of lag. They may have felt they were being thoughtful.

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07-15-2008 15:50

From: Joseph Abel

........
.....Finally, if object entry isn't blocked, and auto-return isn't on, you could likely put some of your own objects on that desert if you want to make it more visually stimulating.

...and others will have better ideas as well...

Doing that without prior permission is more than a little rude and very bold of anyone to take it upon themselves to "decorate" or "landscape" someone else's land. It could be than the owner of that property likes the way the "geen desert" looks.....it's not up to anyone else to make a judgement on it.

I happen to have barren land at ground level for my plot. I want it that way......I did it on purpose. I had someone put some trees on my plot (I suppose because they thought it would look nicer). I returned them........with an IM stating why. I also have object entry enabled on my property for a reason......mostly because I have friends I don't mind rezzing objects on my property (mainly vehicles to drive on the Linden Protected Land that surrounds me on three sides. These friends I allow to rezz objects know my terms. Just because "object entry" is enabled does give you or anyone rights to put down objects just because you don't like the look of my land.

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07-15-2008 15:58

From: Iyoba Tarantal

I wish we had some sort of zoning on the mainland because it would address problems like this.

At the other end of the alleyway between two of my neighbors was a large green plot of land owned by ___________ It was going to be a Zyngo parlor. I have mixed feelings about Zyngo, but I like neighbors and explorers which is why I leave the entrance to the alley open. I was looking forward to more development and more neighbors.

I also hoped to talk with the owner of the Zyngo parlor and see if he would rent me some advertising space since I want to give away freebies on my land. I did some research on the group and found that they had all ready built above the big green piece of land at the end of the alley.

They built at 500m above ground level and made the parcel and the Zyngo parlor no fly zones. That means no one on the ground can find them. That means also that since they are using the ground for primmage, it is likely to remain a no-fly zone and a piece of absolutely empty green desert.

When ground is this empty it does not invite walking. At the very least it needs landmarks.

In the real world zoning regulations address this. In big cities, there are rules about set backs on skyscrapers so they don't cast too much shadow into the street. Compare skyscrapers in New York City to those in Atlanta and if you really want some fun, compare them to skyscrapers in Alberta, Canada. When a local Indian tribe where I used to live put up a casino, the county zoning board asked them to landscape it to harmonize with the semi-rural swath of Central New York in which it was located and not to make it too glitzy. Turning Stone is far nicer than the casinos on the pre-Katrina Gulf Coast.

Now due to absence of zoning I've got a green desert for a near neighbor. I wish we had some zoning rules to prevent this, and I'm not talking about outlawing skyboxes. Zyngo parlors are public amenities. I think those who put them in should either have to make them ground accessible (teleporter, permit flight) etc... or at least put in landmarks to make their groundspace explorer friendly.

this won't solve your empty land (which is a luxury, not a problem. put some trees at your border and let it appear inviting). anyway.... put a platform up there, and a sign and TP that goes down to your land. then you will be seen by the Zyngoers.

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Qie Niangao

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07-15-2008 16:13

So the complaint here is that the neighbor did *not* build something ugly? That they did *not* put a room full of avatars at ground level where they can lag everybody else? That they left a patch of Mainland *not* plastered by prims and texture-lagging greenery?

Some neighbors! I bet they didn't even put up banlines!

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07-15-2008 22:16

From: Qie Niangao

So the complaint here is that the neighbor did *not* build something ugly? That they did *not* put a room full of avatars at ground level where they can lag everybody else? That they left a patch of Mainland *not* plastered by prims and texture-lagging greenery?

Some neighbors! I bet they didn't even put up banlines!

You took the words right out of my mouth.

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Iyoba Tarantal Registered User Join date: 15 May 2008 Posts: 279	07-15-2008 10:31 I wish we had some sort of zoning on the mainland because it would address problems like this. At the other end of the alleyway between two of my neighbors was a large green plot of land owned by ___________ It was going to be a Zyngo parlor. I have mixed feelings about Zyngo, but I like neighbors and explorers which is why I leave the entrance to the alley open. I was looking forward to more development and more neighbors. I also hoped to talk with the owner of the Zyngo parlor and see if he would rent me some advertising space since I want to give away freebies on my land. I did some research on the group and found that they had all ready built above the big green piece of land at the end of the alley. They built at 500m above ground level and made the parcel and the Zyngo parlor no fly zones. That means no one on the ground can find them. That means also that since they are using the ground for primmage, it is likely to remain a no-fly zone and a piece of absolutely empty green desert. When ground is this empty it does not invite walking. At the very least it needs landmarks. In the real world zoning regulations address this. In big cities, there are rules about set backs on skyscrapers so they don't cast too much shadow into the street. Compare skyscrapers in New York City to those in Atlanta and if you really want some fun, compare them to skyscrapers in Alberta, Canada. When a local Indian tribe where I used to live put up a casino, the county zoning board asked them to landscape it to harmonize with the semi-rural swath of Central New York in which it was located and not to make it too glitzy. Turning Stone is far nicer than the casinos on the pre-Katrina Gulf Coast. Now due to absence of zoning I've got a green desert for a near neighbor. I wish we had some zoning rules to prevent this, and I'm not talking about outlawing skyboxes. Zyngo parlors are public amenities. I think those who put them in should either have to make them ground accessible (teleporter, permit flight) etc... or at least put in landmarks to make their groundspace explorer friendly.
Joseph Abel Leaves no pawprints... Join date: 20 Aug 2006 Posts: 781	07-15-2008 10:45 A couple of thoughts come to mind... First off, the flat green desert could be a poorly conceived / built / textured structure that stretches from border to border of their plot (or further, if they're terribly inconsiderate) - so, that's not so bad. They obviously feel that the sky is the proper location for their business, and don't want people flying around within it - perhaps they have more structures at a higher altitude they don't want anyone flying up to? Their teleport routing may go right to their business, instead of on the ground, so the ground is simply an inconvenience for them anyway, perhaps? Nothing stopping you from renting ad space in their joint...regardless of location. In fact, the sign could be sort of fun with a "Freebies - 500m straight down!" kind of feel... Remember, just because no fly is enabled, it doesn't ground everyone - if someone flies onto that land, but doesn't touch down, they can keep right on flying, so it won't slow explorers down much, I'd think. Zoning: that's an argument that's been kicked around quite a bit. I'm certain there are plenty of JIRA's you can vote on if you have a look. Finally, if object entry isn't blocked, and auto-return isn't on, you could likely put some of your own objects on that desert if you want to make it more visually stimulating. ...and others will have better ideas as well... _____________________ Nimbus rated!! From: Nimbus Rau So your final Nimbus Score is a grand total of 8.55. A magnificent achievement!
CCTV Giant Registered User Join date: 2 Nov 2006 Posts: 469	07-15-2008 12:07 The problem with zoning is that everyone sees it differently and usually motivated by personal taste. Look at it this way -- You could have some ugly megalithic abstract structure next to you that would offend the offensive. Your idea of what's right is only going to ring true to a percentage of the population while the other portion will embrace the bizarre and the void. That' mainland my friend..........it could be a penis farm.
Rhaorth Antonelli Registered User Join date: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 7,425	07-15-2008 12:28 I got tired of the open space on my land and brought my store back to ground level and even added some stuff around the area... looks much nicer than just a big pond maybe ask them if they would let you put some stuff on it (if they can spare the prims) if you dislike the openness that much _____________________ From: someone Morpheus Linden: But then I change avs pretty often too, so often, I look nothing like my avatar. They are taking away the forums... it could be worse, they could be taking away the forums AND Second Life...
Sling Trebuchet Deleted User Join date: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,548	07-15-2008 12:43 From: Joseph Abel A couple of thoughts come to mind... First off, the flat green desert could be a poorly conceived / built / textured structure that stretches from border to border of their plot (or further, if they're terribly inconsiderate) - so, that's not so bad. ....... I wish the Zyngo palace beside me in Eldfell would build at 500 m and leave the 'ground' empty. It's all water, and they have built a 8192 slab border to border sitting on the water. I built a prim beach along the Western edge of the sim and put sculpty cliffs twixt them and me to hide their neon and plastic. They complained that I was blocking their view! Well, if you want the sunset and moon over an ocean, you either have to buy it or visit my public beach - still a work in progress. All welcome. I found some great sculpt reef foam that works a treat. Breaking waves are soooooo cliché. Although - I do have a line of those, but the sculpt foam and the spray thingies redeems them. _____________________ Maggie: We give our residents a lot of tools, to build, create, and manage their lands and objects. That flexibility also requires people to exercise judgment about when things should be used. http://www.ace-exchange.com/home/story/BDVR/589
Iyoba Tarantal Registered User Join date: 15 May 2008 Posts: 279	07-15-2008 15:10 I visited the Zyngo parlor yesterday. They don't host any one's advertising except their own. The reason it is up there in the sky is so those there to game, can't go seeing what else is in the neighborhood. I can ask if they'll let me put up a sign and see what they charge.
Nic Writer Registered User Join date: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 740	07-15-2008 15:47 Another stray thought - by putting the Zyngo parlor in the sky, your neighbors have potentially saved you quite a bit of lag. They may have felt they were being thoughtful. _____________________
Peggy Paperdoll A Brat Join date: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 4,383	07-15-2008 15:50 From: Joseph Abel ........ .....Finally, if object entry isn't blocked, and auto-return isn't on, you could likely put some of your own objects on that desert if you want to make it more visually stimulating. ...and others will have better ideas as well... Doing that without prior permission is more than a little rude and very bold of anyone to take it upon themselves to "decorate" or "landscape" someone else's land. It could be than the owner of that property likes the way the "geen desert" looks.....it's not up to anyone else to make a judgement on it. I happen to have barren land at ground level for my plot. I want it that way......I did it on purpose. I had someone put some trees on my plot (I suppose because they thought it would look nicer). I returned them........with an IM stating why. I also have object entry enabled on my property for a reason......mostly because I have friends I don't mind rezzing objects on my property (mainly vehicles to drive on the Linden Protected Land that surrounds me on three sides. These friends I allow to rezz objects know my terms. Just because "object entry" is enabled does give you or anyone rights to put down objects just because you don't like the look of my land.
3Ring Binder always smile Join date: 8 Mar 2007 Posts: 15,028	07-15-2008 15:58 From: Iyoba Tarantal I wish we had some sort of zoning on the mainland because it would address problems like this. At the other end of the alleyway between two of my neighbors was a large green plot of land owned by ___________ It was going to be a Zyngo parlor. I have mixed feelings about Zyngo, but I like neighbors and explorers which is why I leave the entrance to the alley open. I was looking forward to more development and more neighbors. I also hoped to talk with the owner of the Zyngo parlor and see if he would rent me some advertising space since I want to give away freebies on my land. I did some research on the group and found that they had all ready built above the big green piece of land at the end of the alley. They built at 500m above ground level and made the parcel and the Zyngo parlor no fly zones. That means no one on the ground can find them. That means also that since they are using the ground for primmage, it is likely to remain a no-fly zone and a piece of absolutely empty green desert. When ground is this empty it does not invite walking. At the very least it needs landmarks. In the real world zoning regulations address this. In big cities, there are rules about set backs on skyscrapers so they don't cast too much shadow into the street. Compare skyscrapers in New York City to those in Atlanta and if you really want some fun, compare them to skyscrapers in Alberta, Canada. When a local Indian tribe where I used to live put up a casino, the county zoning board asked them to landscape it to harmonize with the semi-rural swath of Central New York in which it was located and not to make it too glitzy. Turning Stone is far nicer than the casinos on the pre-Katrina Gulf Coast. Now due to absence of zoning I've got a green desert for a near neighbor. I wish we had some zoning rules to prevent this, and I'm not talking about outlawing skyboxes. Zyngo parlors are public amenities. I think those who put them in should either have to make them ground accessible (teleporter, permit flight) etc... or at least put in landmarks to make their groundspace explorer friendly. this won't solve your empty land (which is a luxury, not a problem. put some trees at your border and let it appear inviting). anyway.... put a platform up there, and a sign and TP that goes down to your land. then you will be seen by the Zyngoers. _____________________ it was fun while it lasted. http://2lf.informe.com/
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	07-15-2008 16:13 So the complaint here is that the neighbor did not build something ugly? That they did not put a room full of avatars at ground level where they can lag everybody else? That they left a patch of Mainland not plastered by prims and texture-lagging greenery? Some neighbors! I bet they didn't even put up banlines! _____________________ Archived for Your Protection
Czari Zenovka I've Had it With "PC"! Join date: 3 May 2007 Posts: 3,688	07-15-2008 22:16 From: Qie Niangao So the complaint here is that the neighbor did not build something ugly? That they did not put a room full of avatars at ground level where they can lag everybody else? That they left a patch of Mainland not plastered by prims and texture-lagging greenery? Some neighbors! I bet they didn't even put up banlines! You took the words right out of my mouth.