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Huzzie Monnett
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04-16-2009 08:00
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All applicable federal, state, and local tax laws apply and winners are responsible for paying their own taxes. For winners who are legal residents of the United States, the Internal Revenue Service ("IRS";) requires Form 1099-MISC to be issued and filed with the IRS for each recipient of a prize who is a resident of the United States if the value of that prize is at least $600. Reporting and payment of any applicable federal, state, and local taxes is the sole responsibility of prize winner. The approximate retail value of the Full Region prize is $4,540 USD.


Is this for real?
Damien1 Thorne
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04-16-2009 08:03
That is pretty standard for winning anything. As a US resident you are responsible for any taxes as the value of the prize is considered income.
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04-16-2009 08:04
From: Huzzie Monnett
Win a Free Region

https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6211

All applicable federal, state, and local tax laws apply and winners are responsible for paying their own taxes. For winners who are legal residents of the United States, the Internal Revenue Service ("IRS";) requires Form 1099-MISC to be issued and filed with the IRS for each recipient of a prize who is a resident of the United States if the value of that prize is at least $600. Reporting and payment of any applicable federal, state, and local taxes is the sole responsibility of prize winner. The approximate retail value of the Full Region prize is $4,540 USD.


Is this for real?


Gambling and/or lottery winnings are taxable to US residents, so presumably, yes.
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04-16-2009 08:07
From: Alexander Harbrough
Gambling and/or lottery winnings are taxable to US residents, so presumably, yes.


Luckily, you can write off losses, up to the amount of your winnings.
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04-16-2009 08:08
Definitely on something that large, the US Government would tax it as a prize or gift. Just like the winners on TV game shows, who walk away with large batches of prizes. They owe taxes on every one of those things they won.

Ever wonder why people on "The Price is Right" and other game shows often chose some of the wacky high-value prizes that they are unlikely to use? Those are the ones they will sell or take a cash-equivalent for, to pay the taxes on the rest.
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04-16-2009 08:26
From: Ceera Murakami
Definitely on something that large, the US Government would tax it as a prize or gift. Just like the winners on TV game shows, who walk away with large batches of prizes. They owe taxes on every one of those things they won.

Ever wonder why people on "The Price is Right" and other game shows often chose some of the wacky high-value prizes that they are unlikely to use? Those are the ones they will sell or take a cash-equivalent for, to pay the taxes on the rest.


Gifts are not taxable to the receiver, only the sender, and not if they are under $12,000.

Taxes on prizes and gambling winnings vary on value and how they are won. depending on the game $600-$1500 is the reporting threshold and in higher amaounts, taxes are immediately witheld upon payout.

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/money-guides/reporting-gambling-winnings-deducting-losses.aspx
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04-16-2009 08:32
From: Brenda Connolly
Gifts are not taxable to the receiver, only the sender, and not if they are under $12,000.

Taxes on prizes and gambling winnings vary on value and how they are won. depending on the game $600-$1500 is the reporting threshold and in higher amaounts, taxes are immediately witheld upon payout.

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/money-guides/reporting-gambling-winnings-deducting-losses.aspx


Now I am curious.. I know little bits of US tax law (mostly I know Canadian tax law). Are you talking the actual taxes on the earnings, or are you talking withholding taxes?

Are winnings taxed completely independantly of the US income tax system, or are they simply considered another form of taxable income?

Withholding taxes do not respresent the actual taxes payable, just a 'best guess' at source based on rules for the particular flavour of taxes.
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04-16-2009 08:39
They are taxable income.

From the IRS website:

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Topic 419 - Gambling Income and Losses

The following rules only apply to casual gamblers. Gambling winnings are fully taxable and must be reported on your tax return. You must file Form 1040 (PDF) and include all of your winnings. Gambling income includes, but is not limited to, winnings from lotteries, raffles, horse races, and casinos. It includes cash winnings and also the fair market value of prizes such as cars and trips. For additional information, refer to Publication 525, Taxable and Nontaxable Income.

A payer is required to issue you a Form W-2G (PDF) if you receive certain gambling winnings or if you have any gambling winnings subject to Federal income tax withholding. All gambling winnings must be reported irrespective as to whether any portion thereof is subject to withholding. In addition, you may be required to pay an estimated tax on your gambling winnings. For information on withholding on gambling winnings, refer to Publication 505, Tax Withholding and Estimated Tax.

You may deduct gambling losses only if you itemize deductions. Claim your gambling losses as a miscellaneous deduction on Form 1040, Schedule A (PDF). However, the amount of losses you deduct may not be more than the amount of gambling income you have reported on your return. It is important to keep an accurate diary or similar record of your gambling winnings and losses. To deduct your losses, you must be able to provide receipts, tickets, statements or other records that show the amount of both your winnings and losses. Refer to Publication 529, Miscellaneous Deductions, for more information.
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04-16-2009 08:40
All major contests have the "winners are responsible for paying their own taxes," in the US.

I was looking at a certain cable channel's dream home contest and didn't bother entering. The taxes on those places are more than my household makes in two years, maybe three. That's something most people don't even think about before entering such contests, but catches them by surprise if they win.
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Huzzie Monnett
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04-16-2009 08:42
I read this in the 'FINE PRINT' rules for "Win a Free Region and Get Ready for BunnyJam Party"
So the winner will be taxed the on the Island price (even though LL flip flops on pricing) and tier. Thats how I read it anyways.

I'm just wondering how many did that survey and did not realize you will be taxed if you are chosen.
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04-16-2009 09:25
little annology that I learnt from the hardway here

I won a car serveral years ago and since I was not able to pay the taxes for the car, I do not have the car. so basically you do not pay the taxes on this you will not have an island.

It's how almost any big free give away like this works. It's a part of life and sometimes we just have to go with whats in the fine print.
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04-16-2009 09:33
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I'm just wondering how many did that survey and did not realize you will be taxed if you are chosen.
The majority of US folks do not think about the tax implications of anything until it bites them.

The taxes on it should be paid when the person does their 2009 taxes next year. The actual monthly tier that LL charges will be able to be used -- it is not based on a guess of what tier will be. And the only taxes actually paid will be on the free tier received in 2009, with the rest of it going into 2010 income and that amount might be below the threshold for having to pay taxes --- all depends on when the person gets the island.

Or at least that is how it logically should work, which means that is probably not how it will work.
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04-16-2009 09:57
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The majority of US folks do not think about the tax implications of anything until it bites them.

The taxes on it should be paid when the person does their 2009 taxes next year. The actual monthly tier that LL charges will be able to be used -- it is not based on a guess of what tier will be. And the only taxes actually paid will be on the free tier received in 2009, with the rest of it going into 2010 income and that amount might be below the threshold for having to pay taxes --- all depends on when the person gets the island.

Or at least that is how it logically should work, which means that is probably not how it will work.



Yep, LL will find some backwards way of doing the documentation, etc...that will screw things up for the winner :(
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04-16-2009 10:15
I know a woman who won the Showcase Showdown on The Price is Right. There were lots of goodies but she was forced to sell them all to pay the taxes. The only thing she kept was a large fish tank.
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04-16-2009 10:52
I usually say "Death, taxes, and SL viewer crashes..." You know the rest.

If you win a sim, you get to have two of the three combined. And if you have to pick any two to go with, I'd say those are the right two. I don't now about you, but I'm somewhat allergic to death. Taxes and crashes I can handle.

In any case, depending on what bracket you're in, taxes on $4050 will likely be around $1000 or less. That's not a bad deal, considering a full year of tier on a new island would cost you more than three times that.

But there are always ways around that kind of tax. Got an SL business? Think you can manage to come up with $4050 worth of expenses to offset the gain of winning the sim? Heck, the business mileage rate this year is 55 cents. Drive 7363 miles for your business, and you're all set. That's about 150 miles a week. Most people drive more than that anyway. Make it a point to mention your SL business to someone every place you go, keep a record every time you do, and all those miles are now a legitimate business expense. Taxes avoided. (That's AVOIDED, not evaded. Very important difference.)
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04-16-2009 12:12
Haha! We Europeans might have to pay VAT but prizes are generally tax-free, I believe!
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04-16-2009 12:27
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Haha! We Europeans might have to pay VAT but prizes are generally tax-free, I believe!
Our government likes to screw us as many different ways as they can possibly think of -- they must all be really sex deprived.
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04-16-2009 12:39
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-- they must all be really sex deprived.


Which is odd since there are so many public restrooms for them to meet someone. You'd think they'd be getting plenty.
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04-16-2009 12:48
I'm hoping prizes arent taxable in the uk...although knowing our grasp-it-every-way-they-can government I wouldn't be suprised if that changed....
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04-16-2009 13:04
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Which is odd since there are so many public restrooms for them to meet someone. You'd think they'd be getting plenty.
Yeah, but there is just no pleasing them, so no matter how much they get, it is just never enough.
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04-16-2009 13:10
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Yeah, but there is just no pleasing them, so no matter how much they get, it is just never enough.
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04-16-2009 17:27
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And the only taxes actually paid will be on the free tier received in 2009, with the rest of it going into 2010 income and that amount might be below the threshold for having to pay taxes --- all depends on when the person gets the island.


It might be below the threshold for requiring LL to submit a 1099, but the threshold for declaring contest earnings is technically $0. Not that the IRS cares much about small winnings, door prizes, etc., but if a few hundred came up during an audit, it would get counted.

However, tier on a mainland region is $195, and it's now April. It seems likely that any tier in 2010 would exceed the $600 threshold. (I haven't checked if that's the actual threshold for prizes or gambling; I just know it is for contract work.) So this is probably a moot point.