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Amethyst .tattle TOS?

Okiphia Rayna
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11-05-2007 11:02
I was wondering if the .tattle feature of amethyst collars (Maybe a plugin not sure)violates the TOS in any way? What it does is sends the submissives owner an IM of everything the submissive says, so monitoring their chat to ensure nothing bad is happening.... But is that allowed? Just wondering, a different thread said something that makes me think that it might be a violation if used.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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11-05-2007 11:04
it would not be violating if the wearer says it is ok for it to do it
if the wearer (sub) doesn't know it is doing it, and would not agree to it if they knew, then yes it would be a violation
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Okiphia Rayna
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11-05-2007 11:06
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
it would not be violating if the wearer says it is ok for it to do it
if the wearer (sub) doesn't know it is doing it, and would not agree to it if they knew, then yes it would be a violation


okies cool thankies... since the collar announces it's activation the sub could ask for it to be not used I suppose.. but again, thank you ^^
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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11-05-2007 11:08
very welcome :)

basically if a person agrees to anything, it is not violating the TOS, it is only when someone doesn't agree, or doesn't know it is happening to them

for instance, you can orbit me if I say it is ok, and that is not griefing or against the TOS, but if you do it without my permission, wham AR coming your way hehe
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Okiphia Rayna
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11-05-2007 11:09
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
very welcome :)

basically if a person agrees to anything, it is not violating the TOS, it is only when someone doesn't agree, or doesn't know it is happening to them

for instance, you can orbit me if I say it is ok, and that is not griefing or against the TOS, but if you do it without my permission, wham AR coming your way hehe

okie pokie ^^
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Colette Meiji
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11-05-2007 11:09
Does it just record what the Sub says or everyone near the sub?
Okiphia Rayna
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11-05-2007 11:11
From: Colette Meiji
Does it just record what the Sub says or everyone near the sub?

Just the sub, I believe it activates only when the collars owner (The sub) says something, and just relays that to the subs owner. I haven't tested it yet though.
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Colette Meiji
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11-05-2007 11:15
From: Okiphia Rayna
Just the sub, I believe it activates only when the collars owner (The sub) says something, and just relays that to the subs owner. I haven't tested it yet though.


K if the sub agrees to it - probably it should ask the sub if it can record his/her side of conversations.

That probably isnt a violations.

Recording conversations of other people the sub is talking to would be unless they also knew it was being recorded.


... For now ...

Dan L also said most of the Community Standards were going to be going away .. so I have little faith it will remain that way.
Casper Whitfield
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11-05-2007 11:16
It just reports what the person wearing the collar says. And it does announce that it is listening and reporting what the sub says, along with a message to the effect of if you do not agree please take this script out.
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Oryx Tempel
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11-05-2007 11:22
From the Community Standards:

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Disclosure
Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Lives. [...] Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums.


In this case, consent has been given, so no, it's not against the CS.
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11-05-2007 11:41
From: Oryx Tempel
In this case, consent has been given, so no, it's not against the CS.
Exactly... though running such a chat relay will add a bit of lag to the sim.
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Colette Meiji
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11-05-2007 12:27
Okay even though its not against the TOS, its still STUPID.

Look I get the D/S lifestyle thing. Ive even participated for a short time in SL in a few different things.


But agreeing to let a scripted object send a copy of everything you say to your Dom/me? PLEASE.
Burnman Bedlam
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11-05-2007 12:32
From: Colette Meiji
But agreeing to let a scripted object send a copy of everything you say to your Dom/me? PLEASE.
You and I are on the same page with this one.
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11-05-2007 12:37
From: Rhaorth Antonelli


you can orbit me ... I say it is ok, and that is not griefing or against the TOS ... hehe


OKAY!!! Orbiting coming right up! HeHe
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11-05-2007 12:39
From: Colette Meiji


Dan L also said most of the Community Standards were going to be going away .. so I have little faith it will remain that way.


Wow, that will sure lighten LL's work load on AR's!
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Colette Meiji
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11-05-2007 12:41
From: ArchTx Edo
Wow, that will sure lighten LL's work load on AR's!


he only wanted to keep the "Intolerance" one. To send the right message.
Sammy Thielt
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11-05-2007 12:43
From: Colette Meiji
Look I get the D/S lifestyle thing. Ive even participated for a short time in SL in a few different things.
But agreeing to let a scripted object send a copy of everything you say to your Dom/me? PLEASE.

Is it really so odd, in a virtual world where you cannot "really" lock someone up or inflict pain and pleasure? SL D/s is completely about the mental/emotional. Lacking true physical restraints, We have to use other methods of control. Turning that around, the submissive has very few ways they can give themselves over to the Dom/me other than things like this.

Don't forget: "YKIOK".
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Colette Meiji
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11-05-2007 12:47
From: Sammy Thielt
Is it really so odd, in a virtual world where you cannot "really" lock someone up or inflict pain and pleasure? SL D/s is completely about the mental/emotional. Lacking true physical restraints, We have to use other methods of control. Turning that around, the submissive has very few ways they can give themselves over to the Dom/me other than things like this.

Don't forget: "YKIOK".


Sounds more like a tool for paranoid Dom/me 's to use to make sure their subbie isn't having sex with someone else.

Or for the kinkier ones to read when they do.

People tend to over-estimate the quality of Online BDSM.
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11-05-2007 12:47
From: Colette Meiji
Sounds more like a tool for paranoid Dom/me 's to use to make sure their subbie isn't having sex with someone else.
A form of control, yes, that's right.

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Or for the kinkier ones to read when they do.
Agree, that's a very poor use of this, and a dominant that needs a reality check.

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People tend to over-estimate the quality of Online BDSM.
Under-estimate it, too.

Maybe you should have another go at it :)
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11-05-2007 12:53
From: Sammy Thielt
Under-estimate it, too.

Maybe you should have another go at it :)


No thanks -

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11-05-2007 12:55
From: Sammy Thielt

Under-estimate it, too.

Maybe you should have another go at it :)


LOL!

I've seen it used in a scenario where the Domme put the sub in a public situation (as a punishment), but monitored them so she could take them out if need be.
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Sammy Thielt
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11-05-2007 13:04
I've turned it on for Mine before, its just another tool. Frankly, its not as exciting as you'd think... I have trouble keeping up with My own chat sometimes, and having to hear 1/2 of the girls' is often too annoying. :)

Let's also insert another reality check - IMs are still private. This monitors only one side of the conversation (the sub's) and they get a specific notice from the collar when the feature is turned on. What two consenting people do is between them and (back to the OP), not against TOS. Its really nothing to get excited about.
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