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Lord Sullivan
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11-04-2009 03:04
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Deira Llanfair
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11-04-2009 03:14
Oh dear me! The perils of automated keyword checking! I suppose she had better change "converse" to "speak to".
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Lord Sullivan
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11-04-2009 03:17
LOL the funny thing is that there are many pages showing with the word converse in them as in "speak to" but LL made a point of deleting Consies products. I just wish they worked harder on getting things right first before taking action
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Rock Vacirca
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11-04-2009 03:27
Oh dear me! The perils of automated keyword checking! I suppose she had better change "converse" to "speak to". There are tens of thousands of brand names and company names that are single words, and that are in common verbal useage (gap, tide, aspire, accord, puma, vista, sprint, etc etc). Do LL have a list of them all? Or only the US brands? Or only those who have paid them something to get on a watch-list? I didn't think LL could get any lower in my estimation, but now they are tunneling underground. Rock |
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Sling Trebuchet
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11-04-2009 04:15
The converse of 'all Converse are shoes' is (nearly) 'some converse are Converse'.
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Innula Zenovka
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11-04-2009 04:24
Take a look at http://tinyurl.com/ykyemz8
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Phil Deakins
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11-04-2009 04:42
There are tens of thousands of brand names and company names that are single words, and that are in common verbal useage (gap, tide, aspire, accord, puma, vista, sprint, etc etc). Do LL have a list of them all? Or only the US brands? Or only those who have paid them something to get on a watch-list? I didn't think LL could get any lower in my estimation, but now they are tunneling underground. Rock _____________________
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Lord Sullivan
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11-04-2009 08:38
Totally agreed. The depths of LL's stupidities know no limit. Some of the staff need bashing with the Clue stick _____________________
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Veritable Quandry
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11-04-2009 09:01
Some of the staff need bashing with the Clue stick Um...Hasbro's on the phone, would like to have a word with you... |
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Lord Sullivan
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11-04-2009 09:48
Um...Hasbro's on the phone, would like to have a word with you... Order a box and have it shipped direct _____________________
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RockAndRoll Michigan
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11-04-2009 12:15
I'm afraid I didn't get a smile of any kind out of this thread. All I can do is shake my head at the complete stupidity of Linden Lab and how far out of touch they are with reality. What's next, an official statement from Linden Lab that the entire British royal family is shape-shifting lizards?
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Brenda Connolly
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11-04-2009 12:18
I'm afraid I didn't get a smile of any kind out of this thread. All I can do is shake my head at the complete stupidity of Linden Lab and how far out of touch they are with reality. What's next, an official statement from Linden Lab that the entire British royal family is shape-shifting lizards? If you watched "V" last night, it may be just that. _____________________
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RockAndRoll Michigan
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11-04-2009 12:21
If you watched "V" last night, it may be just that. I didn't bother. I saw it in the 80's. Just another network TV rehash because they're too lazy to write anything new. |
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Indeterminate Schism
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11-05-2009 00:43
Lol, and of an Xstreet search for 'Nike' (goddess of victory) returns this bunch
https://xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&SearchKeyword=nike&SearchLocale=0& SearchPriceMin=&SearchPriceMax=&SearchRatingMin=&SearchRatingMax=&searchSubmitImage_x=0& searchSubmitImage_y=0&&columns=3 Do you think they have ANY chance at all of removing th right ones? Seriously, the failure to take any sensible or decisive action on their own policies is a major reason I'm fed-up with LL. It would not be hard or too labour-intensive to scan the listings for the common words like this and bring-them to the attention of a human being, if LL have any. Even better would be submissions-review, but either way they have to just start behaving better towards their customers. In the meantime I'm over to dig up some COKE to FUEL my STEAM PUMA so it can SPRINT to the TIDE line as it ASPIREs to enjoy the VISTA and I am in ACCORD. IT used to use DIESEL but COKE filles the same GAP. Who? Me? What keyword spamming? |
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Pserendipity Daniels
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11-05-2009 00:49
I didn't bother. I saw it in the 80's. Just another network TV rehash because they're too lazy to write anything new. Pep ( . . . this is the documentary version.) _____________________
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Qie Niangao
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11-05-2009 03:30
Heh. Besides "Windows™", I can't wait 'till the Nebraska folks get nastygrams for every use of the word "Office".
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Brenda Connolly
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11-05-2009 06:32
But . . . but . . . but . . . you don't understand . . . Pep ( . . . this is the documentary version.) If you are a follower of David Icke, it may be just that. _____________________
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Jig Chippewa
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11-05-2009 06:39
I didn't bother. I saw it in the 80's. Just another network TV rehash because they're too lazy to write anything new. Some of us were twinkles in our mum's eye. And the 80s were ghastly fashion, big hair that wibbled, strange music that sounds stranger today, cars that lacked any style whatoever, and odd politics. So maybe this V is better. Anyway, what's wrong with a bit of devotion to a lizard, that'swhat I say. Particularly, if they have plenty of the H1N1 vaccine. _____________________
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Lord Sullivan
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11-06-2009 00:50
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Francesca Alva
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11-06-2009 01:18
/me Snickers at LL™'s ineptitude. It's something like this that Mars one's day. I can think of a whole Galaxy of words that should not be included (and some of them may even be non-chocolate related).
If only they could stand back from the mess and take a Bird's Eye view of their policy, they'd realize what a Horlicks they're making of things. I suppose it's a sign of The Times, and LL™ feels they have to be the Guardian of RL™ trademarks. SL™ Daily Mirrors problems in RL™. One thing's for sure - since the Lab took over XStreet it's no longer Quality Street. Francesca Alva™  |
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Lord Sullivan
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11-06-2009 01:24
/me Snickers at LL™'s ineptitude. It's something like this that Mars one's day. I can think of a whole Galaxy of words that should not be included (and some of them may even be non-chocolate related). If only they could stand back from the mess and take a Bird's Eye view of their policy, they'd realize what a Horlicks they're making of things. I suppose it's a sign of The Times, and LL™ feels they have to be the Guardian of RL™ trademarks. SL™ Daily Mirrors problems in RL™. One thing's for sure - since the Lab took over XStreet it's no longer Quality Street. Francesca Alva™ Stupity at its finest down at the Lab _____________________
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Lear Cale
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11-06-2009 05:44
There are really two failures here.
One is a failure of diligence on the part of an LL employee. Some idiot just responded with a form letter rather than doing their job and paying attention to the email. Perhaps they were too busy playing SL to do their job correctly. The other is a failure of policy. LL should carefully vet their list of trademarks and put those that are valid words in some language into a second list, requiring an employee to ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE AD to make a judgement whether the use of the term is a trademark violation. Failure to do this is serious incompetence. Now, I'm one who usually defends LL against claims of incompetence. They create and manage an amazingly complicated product, and have to make very difficult policy judgements. Even the very best policies look foolish from some angle. Plus they have to deal with real-world forces such as laws and marketing issues. But they have no excuse in this case, UNLESS they say that they DO have such a policy, but that some employee was lax in following it and will be reprimanded. (Yeah, good luck with that one.) The only appropriate response for them would be to fix their policy and offer an apology. It's trivial to find the trademarks that are not English words: just feed them all into the UNIX "spell" program -- the ones that get echoed are not English words. (Might be a bit more difficult for other languages, unless UNIX has variants of this program for them.) For those that are English words, and to reduce the need for human monitoring, they could, for each trademark, have a list of keywords one of which must also appear for the item to get flagged for human review. For example, for Converse, "shoes" and "sneakers" would be appropriate. This would avoid a lot of false positives, with relatively few false negatives. We can let the trademark owners worry about those that slip through! (As that's how it's done in RL, anyway.) |
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Lord Sullivan
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11-06-2009 14:22
There are really two failures here. One is a failure of diligence on the part of an LL employee. Some idiot just responded with a form letter rather than doing their job and paying attention to the email. Perhaps they were too busy playing SL to do their job correctly. The other is a failure of policy. LL should carefully vet their list of trademarks and put those that are valid words in some language into a second list, requiring an employee to ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE AD to make a judgement whether the use of the term is a trademark violation. Failure to do this is serious incompetence. Now, I'm one who usually defends LL against claims of incompetence. They create and manage an amazingly complicated product, and have to make very difficult policy judgements. Even the very best policies look foolish from some angle. Plus they have to deal with real-world forces such as laws and marketing issues. But they have no excuse in this case, UNLESS they say that they DO have such a policy, but that some employee was lax in following it and will be reprimanded. (Yeah, good luck with that one.) The only appropriate response for them would be to fix their policy and offer an apology. It's trivial to find the trademarks that are not English words: just feed them all into the UNIX "spell" program -- the ones that get echoed are not English words. (Might be a bit more difficult for other languages, unless UNIX has variants of this program for them.) For those that are English words, and to reduce the need for human monitoring, they could, for each trademark, have a list of keywords one of which must also appear for the item to get flagged for human review. For example, for Converse, "shoes" and "sneakers" would be appropriate. This would avoid a lot of false positives, with relatively few false negatives. We can let the trademark owners worry about those that slip through! (As that's how it's done in RL, anyway.) I do hope that they do something after this situation and the suggestions that you make are an excellent way forward. As far as an apology is concerned, well if they do we will post it in the thread on slapt.me but I for one will not hold my breath. LL are aware of this thread and the one on slapt so I hope that they read and take note but again please do not hold your breath The funny thing is that converse labeled products are still to be seen on Xstreet so go figure _____________________
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