No perms?

So, I keep seeing more and more vendors selling items with no perms at all. Particularly clothing/hair (prim parts, that is) with a resize menu.

And it occurred to me. LL intentionally made it so items have to be copy OR transfer. So when you see a seller circumvent that, are they actually breaking a rule?

And on an unrelated note- clothing designers, pull up your pants! Holy hell.

It irritates me so much. LL will hopefully put a limit to scripts so this madness can stop. Scripted hair, belts, shoes, and all clothing parts made of prims..... A single avatar can have several hundred scripts on and lag down a sim to hell.

They don't get any sales from me.

I've seen 'em stick a notecard in though, just to "break" the perms. That's what bugs me.

It's a mistake to infer too much about policy from the permissions mechanism. The ability to make something no copy and no transfer doesn't involve any backdoor mechanisms or other cheats. It's simply a result of combining permissions from various things collected into an object.

Not that I like it. In particular, it's important to be able to delete resize scripts, which in turn requires making a copy or losing functionality. As much as I like resize scripts, I wouldn't buy one for prim clothing that was no-copy.

It's all an effort on the creators' part to protect their products against theft. I can appreciate that concern. But, to me, it akin to what the recording industry has done in the last few years.......penalize your honest customers for the actions a few with heavy restrictions on something that was purchased in good faith for personal use. My little rebellion against such practices is a personal boycott against those creators. There are methods of protecting your IP rights without restricting what your paying customers can or cannot do with their legally purchased items. But, it's so much easier make no distinction between the honest and dishonest. If I'm put in the same catagory as the dishonest I'm not going to put any money in your pocket........simple.

Anymore, I check the perms of an item carefully and there are very few things I will buy No Mod......... and I will buy absolutely nothing that is both No Copy and No Transfer.

Not sure. I am a creator and merchant, and a scripter to be precise. My scripts are no mod, no copy, transfer - and the object, when in inventory, can often say it is no mod. However, it isn't no mod. When you rez it, it's permissions are mod, just not the script.

For the most part, I am talking about clothes and hair. I do not want scripts in those items anyway. One clothing designer that I buy from specifically said on the ad that the item was fully modifiable but had a no-mod resize script in it for folks that want to use it, but that the script could be deleted. In that case, the 'no-mod' that I would see for the item is explained and I would buy the item.

LL originally intended to comply with "right of first sale", a policy in US copyright case law and precedent (but not statutory), that allows you to sell something you bought, even if it was copyrighted, and as long as you don't keep a copy. There are a lot of very technical issues, of course.

Previously, even if something was no-mod, you could delete contents. (There may have been other restrictions.) The intent was to comply with right of first sale.

However, someone writing game software managed to hornswoggle LL into changing this policy. They wanted game tokens that were neither copy nor xfer, for some purpose. So, LL changed this, and now we have no-copy/no-mod objects: just drop a no-copy item into a no-mod/no-xfer item, and you have the abrogation of an important principle in US copyright jurisprudence.

My suggestion: don't buy anything that's no-copy/no-xfer. Vote with your $L and send the strongest signal you can. Whether I agree with LL's policy or not, makers are now free to do this. Only sales impact will affect them.

BTW, people often mix right of first sale with "fair use", but they're different principles.

Apparently the "Rez/No Rez" is being treated as a permission by some creators and they are letting you know up front if you can rez the items. This was found on the latest clothing signs in a store today:

You have got to be kidding me!

I never thought I'd say this but I really hope LL begins imposing personal avatar script limits soon that will hopefully put a stop to this silly-buggery.

no copy no mod no trans no rez..coming soon to a store near you..No login to be added..
if they are so scared then they can keep their sh*t..seriously this is getting ridiculous..

i'd like to buy a clue please.. *opens the clue* oh it says here..They do not help a damn thing in stopping anyone from stealing your Sh*t if they want to steal it..

Sorry, all clues are now No Open.

/me laughs hard and sprays water all over my monitor.

ahem. Apologies... but THAT was funny.

Hahaha! That's so easy to get around too.

I'm seriously starting to consider supporting the use of copybot to steal things. Just so these dummies go out of business.

These people really do need to go out of business too, before they screw up SL any more. Before people start to think these practices are normal, and become complacent.

No offense to all you decent creators. Keep on being awesome

I've gotten in trouble a few times here in the forums for my thoughts on this stuff. There is a theft problem in SL very much the same as the theft on the internet as a whole.......there are avenues that the content creators, artists, scripters, etc to take to help prevent this unlawful "taking" of ones intellectual property with the DMCA. LL does enforce the intellectual property rights of the creaters when presented through the proper complaint mechanism. The effectiveness is not what anyone could call perfect but that's no different from any other digitally produced creation anywhere else on the internet. For some reason a few (not all by any means) creators have decided they will just treat everyone as if they were thieves and, because they are being ripped off, it's perfectly okay to limit what their customers may or may not do with legally purchased items. No copy, no mod, no transfer (and now a no rezz) restrictions makes whatever is purchased practically useless.........one hiccup of the viewer, internet connection, LL's servers or even your power company at the wrong time and the customer is just SOL. Sorry Charlie. Now it's up to customer to go begging that almighty creator for a replacement, producing "proof of purchase", what happened, how it happened, and a statement swearing to their honesty? That's insane in my mind.........that creater can take a hike for all I care. I won't buy a thing from him/her.........even if other items he/she sells are full perms (yeah, I'm that stubborn).

One of the first things I look for in a store when I enter are signs asking for my support of creators IP........if I see them I'm very likely TPing out a quickly as I TP'd in. I have noticed that the stores/places with those signs are also the stores/places that have those no copy, no mod, no transfer items for sale. What's more the items in that store are often ridiculously high for the quality and usability one would expect when purchasing something 50% or more higher than someone else's product that is so similar it could be a ripped off product. You know, of course, that for every prim skirt, skin, shape, shoe, any clothing item there are 100's just like it available........and not all of them are rip offs either.

And for the record I do not purchase anything that I even have a suspicion of stolen property. That's not to say I don't have any in my inventory but I can assure you if they are there I did not know it..........and if anyone finds something in my inventory I would welcome them bringing to my attention and I will personally try to help the real creator get justice for the theft. But, I won't support anyone who treats me like a thief.

Ofcourse there are germs. They're everywhere. But not in sl world.

This!

I'm to the point where I'm tempted to buy these "no everything" items, copybot it, and send a screenshot back to the creator, just to prove a point.

"Hi, I'm Paul. You must be Stupid if you think setting no perms does anything besides annoy people."

Modern day SL content creators are paranoid, and they infect eachother with this paranoia.
They're bashed daily with stories of content theft, either from themselves, their friends or friends of friends... The current air is that your customer is your enemy.

Although I understand it, I don't like it.

(And I'm one of them.)