"Selling land"

One of my commercial tenants has requested enough permissions that I'm forced to look at an option I've previously refused to consider...selling her the parcel.

Could someone tell me precisely how I go about making sure she has "ownership" of the land, without losing it myself? Will she automatically be granted the estate management tools, or will I have to figure this out how to give them to her myself? Will her "ownership" and estate tools be restricted ONLY to the parcel she owns....or will they be simwide?

Sorry if these sound like stupid questions, but you're talking to the woman who only last month turned "auto-return" on after 18 months of sim ownership :X

Honey, you cannot "lose" a parcel on a private island that you own. You always have the right to reclaim the land.

No, she is not automatically granted estate tools. She will only have the basic parcel rights if you have not overridden anything at the estate level, such as terraforming.

She'll only have full estate managers rights if you add her to the estate managers (World, Region/Estate/Estate Managers). Is she the only one on the parcel? If so then you'd just set the parcel to sale to her (for a price or for zero dollars, whatever your deal is, and to her specifically, not to 'Anyone') and she'd buy it. You'd still own the sim, just like any residential estate, she'd have parcel rights and pay her agreed on tier to you. Once she owns the parcel, she'll be able to do things on her parcel only, set her own 'options', her own media, her own parcel access and ban list. She can name her parcel and put her own description in it on the General tab.

If something bad happened and she reniged or didn't pay tier or whatever, you as sim owner still have the right to reclaim it and then when you do she'd have no more rights over the parcel. You should have a private agreement with her, a mini covenant, so that you'd both be clear on what is and isn't allowed. But because you will be 'selling' the parcel to her, her agreement with you is going to be different than your other shop owners.

Hope this helps some, good luck.

The reason I'm even considering this is she wants ban rights on her parcel. Am I perhaps missing something in the group settings that would allow her (and only her) to do that on her (and only her) parcel?

You can do this via group permissions, there's a permission you can assign to a new role just for her.

There's nothing to really fear about selling the parcel though, if you turn off resell and terraforming at estate level she won't be able to sell it, she won't be able to terraform and she will be forced to live within the parcel prim limits.

Oh....the kicker there is 'only on her parcel'. Without selling her the land I don't know. If you give her ban rights through the group, would be for all the parcels. Plus you'd have to create a role just for her, but still, even if you did that, I don't know how you'd give her rights for only her parcel, without her owning the parcel. Probably someone else knows for sure, sorry........

Also I've gotten a lot of good answers on SL Land Answers Group, and learned a lot from other's questions too. Just search Groups and join it and ask in open chat, if you don't get a for sure answer here.

That's part of the problem Ciaran, she's above the cave/waterfall which belongs to other people, and prim count is currently kept by eyeball, although that will be changing to a prim counter.

But if I grant her those rights at the group level, she'd have them sim-wide, correct?

Yes she would have those rights for all group plots. Hipposecure allows you to ban people from a certain area based on co-ordinates rather than parcel. There will be other products that do the same but I've used Hipposecure in one of my tavern rooms and it allows everyone else access to all other parts of the tavern.

Thanks Treasure

I've just always had this inherent mistrust of the whole "selling" idea, as I did auto-return and that's worked out 99.9% ok (ok, so I had the wrong tag on when rezzing a few prims *sigh*, so maybe this would be ok.

*gulps*

She wants to put up banlines and mess up the view and the navigability of your island for 50m above ground? o.0

Just enable the power to add to the parcel ban list, or use a device like hipposecure.

As long as she keeps the box 'Allow public access' checked, she can add to her banlist without the red banlines going up. Keeping that box checked should be part of any agreement she makes with Honey, otherwise, yup, up goes the red access fence.

She just wants the power to ban if someone gets out of hand. Banning is a very powerful tool that not even my general manager gets to use, without clearing with me first - so I'm very reluctant to give her sim-wide ban powers. However, on her own parcel, that would be fine (and she's 300m up).

Well to give her rights just for her parcel you could setup a new land group, some people do different land groups for their parcels but for a parcel already in use that could cause far more headaches than its worth.

mmhmm, not to mention, out of group room, as usual.

First of all: you are the estate owner, you set the rules.
Secondly nice to know:

- Only you deside who has estate owner rights and only you are able to remove those rights again.

- You can always reclaim parcels.

- As estate owner, you cannot be banned yourself.

Basicly, you set the rules for the agreement, like no ban lines, terraforming and so on, so there really is no danger, like others said before, you can always reclaim the land.

Since small mistakes easely happen I would advise though to check the rights on for instance terraforming, to make sure your island cannot be messed up by accident.

Another savety in that matter would be baking the terrain, wich makes the current terrain the default so you can, if anything happens or any setting is mistakenly forgotten, revert things to as it was.

But the baseline is: you as estate owner always will have the upperhand since you have the absolute power on the estate at any given time.

I would have to think it is so much less headache on both you and your tenant to make your tenant the parcel owner.

Your tenant can manage the parcel without having to ask you for help. That's more efficient for both of you.

The only reason not to do it is if some situation absolutely compels you to not divide up the land into the parcels- that there is some reason for each of your tenants to have equal rights on every piece of land owned by the group.

I my club has the perfect relationship with the estate owner of sim on which our club sits. In three months, I have only had to speak with her once. (And that was to ask about how she was going to classify her sims once the new "Adult" policy kicks in.) Otherwise, I get to act on anything that needs done on my parcel when it must be done. I follow the rules of the covenant so she never has need to talk to me. And, to receive the last three months of rent, all she has had to do is spend about five minutes talking to me about the new Adult policy. I have to think that the arrangement works as well for her as it does for me.