Mature sim, age verify and allowed people

Ok, I have a question....

If the teens grid merges and I have to set my sim to allow only age verified ....

If I add each resident name to allowed list as well as friends etc.. will they be able to get in without being age verified?

If you're listing each person on your allowed list, why would you need to age verify?

And for the record, I'm pretty sure they don't have age verification completely working yet.

I suspect she wants to allow (a) all age-verified people AND (b) her friends who may or may not be age-verified.

I don't know the answer to her question though.

I don't think that will work because the moment you set up an allow list, it blocks access for anyone else.

I am thinking what you mean is, your residents and THEIR friends, right? Will the age verification 'thingy' recognize an allowed person's 'friends' list. Doubt it. And that is my quandary, also, residents' friends coming over....who aren't on the 'allowed' list. That's why I don't think I can do it, who wants to buy land on a sim and can't have your friends come over?

You mean like in real life, when your friend shows up at the club and
presents her ID to the bouncer, and he also allows her to bring in all
of her underage friends?

This is a nice idea for a feature, though.

I predict that there will be more elaborate parcel access controls
available as time goes on.

ahh okay.. I was not sure if it did this or not I had not ever used allowed lists... ty


I guess I just wait and see how LL handles this.

Using the age verification status as an access criteria for a sim (or a parcel) is mutually exclusive with making it access-list-only or group-list-only. It has to be "Public Access" (which disables use of an approved access list or access by a specified Group) before the "Age Verification required" checkbox becomes available. The only access filters that you can add to "Age Verification Required" is an explicit ban list, by individual names; and there is also an option to allow only those who have given payment info to LL.

"Age verified" parcels only have that "protection" for 50 M above the terrain mesh, by the way. So if you try to use Age Verification to keep kiddies out of your Mature sim, they can still fly or TP in at 51 M or higher above the surface, and watch or participate from there. The same goes for trying to block access to "No Payment Info on File" Individuals.

LL has stated that they assume if you are usig a group or an access list to control access, you would know the individual members well enough to base access solely on that. The fact that you have no way to verify a group member's age, short of meeting the Player in person in real life, isn't a concern to LL.

If this does mean the IDENTITY verification is in (let's stop pretending this is really about age), then bye bye. I've only been in SL a couple months this past year anyway. Not invested in it anymore, and certainly not enough to allow this company gather information about my virtual buying habits and connect it to my real life.

Well the catch is

They have no way to verify the identity of the user. Only the data fed to them.

I can see people with nothing to lose offering a service of "use my information" to verify.

I can see an 18 year old doing it to bring folks from the teen grid to the main grid (with an alt account on the teen grid with say their siblings info to set up the transactions)

Tried to get my age verified a few times.
I don't exists in English and the French version doesn't even work at all!!

I hope this beta version will work soon......

Submitted ticked about this.

reply to someone concerned about data gathering on virtual buying habits.



And what if your CC is on there as a premium user. etc., etc.

I just wanna know - are they *Trying* to lose customers?

In favor of teens without credit cards, for instance.

I use paypal at the moment

I used to use a rechargeable credit card....

Yes a credit card with no identity on it, simply a number.

Well, age verification, is agains many international laws. Since it's a virtual service, one doesn't have to provide Social numbers, or drivers licences or whatnotmore, to prove being able to pay for things.

Payment agreements, are allways to be met, if not, you have special companies that collect the money anyway.. Only addresses are need, which you already provided to LL, when signing up. Or didn't you, and did you provide fake information, which is against the ULA/TOS of the service

anyhow.. i'm not going to verify me, it's useless.
a 20+ user can be as much a griefer as a teen.. age doesn't say sh*t.

And sims/parcels that have such restriction activated (just like the payment info/used blocks) i simple don't want to visit at all. period.

Just like it would in RL.. you want to go to a store.. but you cannot enter, because you did not verify age.. a regular store ffs..
Or that you need to provide your bank balance first before entering.
that would be idiotic.
Looking is free, and who says basic users don't have money? Many do have..

anyway.. no verification for me.. never.

in china verification is mandatory now

But the catch is: SL is under US law and therefore US law is enforced on the grid. Claiming beccause it's illegal in your country does not mean LL has to comply, it means you have to comply or do without LL services.


If they try to make it required, but it is a known fact (some just stick fingers in the ears and say 'I no wanna hear you' ) there is no way to verify who is at a computer online

I have submitted a ticket, asking for more information how to get my age verification in order, since i wasn't be able to do it on their website.

This is the answer i have received:

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Hello

If age verification is not working for you on the website, we can verify you manually here through the support portal ticket system.

In order to pass manual age verification we require at least two (2) legible scanned images.

-One (or more) of: Driver's License, Passport, State or National ID, Birth Certificate, etc showing date of birth and name

AND

- at least one (1) piece of additional documentation such as a receipt, a utility bill, pay stub, bank statement with receipt type, name and address clearly shown and matching that of the ID (NOT just an envelope or address label).

Other identifying information such as account numbers etc may be omitted or obscured as long as it is clear what type of document it is, it appears valid and authentic, and all the required information is clearly legible.

You may send them by adding them to this ticket as an attachment. If you cannot provide authentic documentation with the required information, we will not be able to manually age verify your account.

Chiyo Linden (I-World Team)

Lotte/I-World

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Well, i'm sorry. But i don't think LL has the right to ask for personal documents.
It's up to them to get the age verification page international linked.
They have stated on the webpage that they only keep a code.
Since i have no idea what they will do with them afterwards, i'm not going to be that stupid to hand out personal documents.
I have nothing to hide, but asking me for personal records is a step too far, especially for an online "game"....

If they can charge my VISA account, which is on my name, they can verify me too.



Indeed. And we all know how they respect human rights too, aren't we?

If the grids merge, there won't be any more mature sims, not even privately owned sims. And you can say good-by to all your adult animations, too.

Well, i don't think this merging is a good idea.

It will make people paranoid, affraid to be talking to minors without knowing.
Many places will be closed off anyway, so why this merge?
They have their own world, safe from adults.

Keep it this way.....

It doesn't really matter what we think. LL is going to do this, probably in the 3-6 month time frame, maybe a tad sooner. We will either tolerate it or we will leave.

Hehe......many already left.....

Look at the OSgrid.........nice alternative........as long as LL keeps their hands of it.....

Anyway. I will not send them personal documents as they asked in reply of my ticket.
I will wait until this age verifying page is working properly.
If not.....i'm downgrading and keep my money in the bank.

The kinds of identifying documents they ask US citizens to produce are exactly the kind that can be used to steal one's identity. Given what I have read about Linden Lab's database security in the past I would not elect to send them copies of any of that documentation and the company that runs their online age verification appears to be a data minining company so even if it means I will not be able to access a lot of content I will simply elect to not age verify and downgrade to basic if they implement age verification.