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Shaman Torvalar
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12-14-2008 05:53
Wouldn't it be possible to borrow someone's unused land. I see lots of unused land that is not renting or selling. Let me borrow it. I just built a 27 story glass tower vertical maze (1116 prims) and I will put in on your land with a donation box. You get 30% of the proceeds and some added traffic. Kick me out as soon as your land sells or rents. You have nothing to loose.
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Oryx Tempel
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12-14-2008 09:51
Except your pride and your neighbors. Seriously, that's tacky.
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LittleMe Jewell
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12-14-2008 10:23
How do you know the land is not being used? My house is 3500m up, but the ground is empty. Also, I know people with multiple parcels in a sim and some of the parcels are empty because they only bought them to get the prims to use on the other parcels.
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Milla Janick
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12-14-2008 10:27
One way to find out. Make the offer to someone with an unused piece of land.
Although I suspect that if someone has land they're trying to rent, they'd probably prefer renting it to giving it away, or taking comission that's likely far less than the rent would be. _____________________
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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12-14-2008 11:27
If your tower is unusually attractive and interesting it could be a nice attraction. But I see a couple of possible problems. It takes quite a bit of land to support that many prims and it doesn't seem as if too many people would be paying that much tier for something they weren't using. Another difficulty might be finding such people.
But then again maybe someone is scouring the forums right now looking for ideas about what to do with some land. It doesn't hurt to ask. Good luck. _____________________
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Qie Niangao
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12-14-2008 11:47
It takes quite a bit of land to support that many prims and it doesn't seem as if too many people would be paying that much tier for something they weren't using. I suspect there may be some confusion about why land for sale or rent is almost always vacant. It's not for want of things to put on it--or even ways to make money from it temporarily; it's to make the land as appealing as possible to buyers. And land buyers pretty much never want buildings--instead, they want a spot of land on which to build their own dream vision. The less interfering with that vision, the more likely a sale. _____________________
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Gabriele Graves
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12-14-2008 12:47
It is also more than likely those empty lands have large sky builds up at high altitude, just because it looks empty does not mean it is unused.
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Amity Slade
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12-14-2008 16:28
Another problem is this. When you are renting the land, do you want your build to be removed without warning, or do you want notice (a day, three days)?
I know when I have bought land, I have liked making the transaction, receiving the land, and operating on it with the seconds I decide I want to buy the land. Every second I must wait to complete the purchase gives me another second to reconsider the purchase or buy something else. The smart seller knows this, and knows that any extra procedure that makes me wait any amount of time at all is a potential deal-killer and loss-of-sale. |
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Shaman Torvalar
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12-18-2008 00:21
Thanks for all the responses. Maybe I could get an adventure themed area to host it for a while. I could proably add tho their traffic rating. Being a noob, I built the thing without realizing how expensive it would be to host.
If your tower is unusually attractive and interesting it could be a nice attraction. It is pretty attractive I think. And it's a very detailed and well thought out maze. Here's some pictures of it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/33439140@N05/3117122657/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/33439140@N05/3117122725/ Another problem is this. When you are renting the land, do you want your build to be removed without warning, or do you want notice (a day, three days)? They could delete it at any time. I have a copy of the building in my inventory so what would I care. I suspect there may be some confusion about why land for sale or rent is almost always vacant. It's not for want of things to put on it--or even ways to make money from it temporarily; it's to make the land as appealing as possible to buyers. And land buyers pretty much never want buildings--instead, they want a spot of land on which to build their own dream vision. The less interfering with that vision, the more likely a sale. Tto offest this I could put the tower up in the sky so that perspective buyers won't be distracted by it. |
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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12-18-2008 00:55
It does look pretty cool.
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Shaman Torvalar
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12-18-2008 07:36
Except your pride and your neighbors. Seriously, that's tacky. I wouldn't want to do anything that makes me or my landlord look bad. That would not be a very good business model for anyone save maybe for an add farmer. I wasn't thinking that I would slap this up in some quiet fishing or beach community. I was thinking more of a commercial setting. One that would appreciate having the attraction. Or a more urban or experimental area where the building would fit in. |
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Schwanson Schlegel
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12-18-2008 11:30
30% for the land owner? I think you should consider offering 90% for the land owner.
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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12-18-2008 11:33
Contact me in world, you can probably put it on some of my land if you like. I have literally dozens of empty parcels it would fit on.
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Shaman Torvalar
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Is venture Capatalism feasible in second life?
12-18-2008 11:44
Here's another idea. I see lot's of land barons on second life but where are the venture capitalists that help start ups with the barrier of entry through the economies of scale of owning a whole region? Region land owners only pay $195 for 15,000 prims. That's $1.30 for 100 prims or around 360L.
Here's how this would work as I see it. Is there something that I'm missing that makes this not feasible? -I sign up with a basic account and pay nothing to the Lindens. -I build my business in the sandbox. -I give you my business as no copy, no transfer. I set all proceed set to go to you and code in a way for the business to communicate to me how much it is making. -You rez it on your land. -I continue to improve the business and give you new copies until it is making you a profit. -Once it is making enough to be profitable on my own land. I rent some land or purchase a premium account and go solo. -You kick me out if I don't make a profit quickly enough or once I leave you are left with a copy of my business which makes you money and you didn't have to do any work to generate the income. For the business, I proposed earlier in this thread, I would have to make $14.50 for my 1116 prims to be profitable for a region owner. That about $3943L. Obviously, this business model would be more feasible if my business used less prims. So I'm more just throwing the idea out there for my next business venture in which I will keep the prims down. |
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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12-18-2008 11:54
Here's another idea. I see lot's of land barons on second life but where are the venture capitalists that help start ups with the barrier of entry through the economies of scale of owning a whole region? Region land owners only pay $195 for 15,000 prims. That's $1.30 for 100 prims or around 360L. Here's how this would work as I see it. Is there something that I'm missing that makes this not feasible? -I sign up with a basic account and pay nothing to the Lindens. -I build my business in the sandbox. -I give you my business as no copy, no transfer. I set all proceed set to go to you and code in a way for the business to communicate to me how much it is making. -You rez it on your land. -I continue to improve the business and give you new copies until it is making you a profit. -Once it is making enough to be profitable on my own land. I rent some land or purchase a premium account and go solo. -You kick me out if I don't make a profit quickly enough or once I leave you are left with a copy of my business which makes you money and you didn't have to do any work to generate the income. For the business, I proposed earlier in this thread, I would have to make $14.50 for my 1116 prims to be profitable for a region owner. That about $3943L. Obviously, this business model would be more feasible if my business used less prims. So I'm more just throwing the idea out there for my next business venture in which I will keep the prims down. Fine, I'll try it. You code all that stuff and I'll stick it down on a parcel. _____________________
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Phil Deakins
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12-18-2008 12:08
Wouldn't it be possible to borrow someone's unused land. I see lots of unused land that is not renting or selling. Let me borrow it. I just built a 27 story glass tower vertical maze (1116 prims) and I will put in on your land with a donation box. You get 30% of the proceeds and some added traffic. Kick me out as soon as your land sells or rents. You have nothing to loose. I think the maze would be fun for many people if it isn't too easy, but I'm not sure that they would want to pay to use it. _____________________
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Shaman Torvalar
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12-27-2008 11:51
Ok Elanthius,
Here's what I came up with and coded in my donation box in the end. -I sign up with a basic account and pay nothing to the Lindens. -I build my business in the sandbox. -You give me a plot a land free of charge.(I'll need an 1/8th of a region) -I rez my business there and set 50% of all proceeds to go to you with a cap of the standard rental rate for my land (about $4000L for me). -I continue to improve and market my business until I am able to consistantly cover the rental costs. Then we switch to a standard rental agreement. -If I don't make a profit quickly enough, we renegociate the 50% comission or you kick me out. Or if you find a real renter for the land you kick me out. I will aways keep a copy of my objects in inventory so you can delete my objecs at any time. -Once I make one plot of land profitable we can start the process over wth a new plot of land. |
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Phil Deakins
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12-27-2008 12:06
-I rez my business there and set 50% of all proceeds to go to you with a cap of the standard rental rate for my land (about $4000L for me). -I continue to improve and market my business until I am able to consistantly cover the rental costs. Then we switch to a standard rental agreement. Maybe Elanthius will see it differently. _____________________
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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12-27-2008 12:42
Right, this is what I mentioned. The key point in the earlier "contract" was that I'd get the whole business in a box no copy/no transfer. So, I'd take the risk of losing money and in exchange the possibility of making more money in the long term.
Now, don't get me wrong, I can quite plainly see that many people would not be interested in trading their work /permanently/ in exchange for land. But that seems to be the only possible way to do venture capital in SL. I'm really interested in finding some way to incubate small companies in SL and at the same time make a profit for myself so if anyone else has any great ideas I'm willing to invest land into just about any crazy idea. _____________________
Visit http://ninjaland.net for mainland and covenant rentals or visit our amazing land store at Steamboat (199, 56).
Also, we pay L$0.15/sqm/week for tier donated to our group and we rent pure tier to your group for L$0.25/sqm/week. Free L$ for Everyone - http://ninjaland.net/tools/search-scumming/ |
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Shaman Torvalar
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12-28-2008 13:57
The landowner should get more out of it than s/he would get just by renting the land normally. Otherwise, you are the only one who could possibly benefit. Remember that the land that I am using is unrented and therefor not making Elanthius any money. It it rents he kicks me out. Think of it as a way to squeeze more profits out of unused land. And if the businesses are successful then you may get yourself a perminant renter that you wouldn't of had otherwise. |
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Shaman Torvalar
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12-28-2008 13:59
Here's where the maze is located if anyone want's to check it out. If you like it then please donate and support our venture.
secondlife://Lohengrin/30/48/0 |
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Derbor Torok
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12-28-2008 14:16
Remember that the land that I am using is unrented and therefor not making Elanthius any money. It it rents he kicks me out. Think of it as a way to squeeze more profits out of unused land. And if the businesses are successful then you may get yourself a perminant renter that you wouldn't of had otherwise. Well, that is not how VCs work. They will give you some money, advise and support to get your business off the ground, in return they get to own part of your company. They take a lot of risk on some of their investments and many don't succeed. They make a lot of money in the ones that do. .d _____________________
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Shaman Torvalar
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12-29-2008 20:37
Well, that is not how VCs work. They will give you some money, advise and support to get your business off the ground, in return they get to own part of your company. They take a lot of risk on some of their investments and many don't succeed. They make a lot of money in the ones that do. .d Yea, I'm going more for my first proposal of the squatter strategy on unused land than the VC approach. I spent like 15 hours building that maze and I'm not willing to give it away just yet. So far it's been 2 days and I haven't made a cent. If this thing doesn't fly then I'll just give the maze to Elanthius for giving me a shot. I had visions of building an entire puzzle/maze/game asmusement park, but it doesn't seem you can make money off donations and I was told charging for access is frowned upon. If anyone can point me to how successful game creaters have actually made money that would be great. |