Detecting responsibility for griefer attacks
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Peace Fullstop
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03-24-2008 22:11
Somebody placed a cannabis-leaf particle emitter on land which I own -- causing major difficulties for me, as it was not noticed for a long time, and was affecting at least one neighbouring parcel. The emitter was put on a table, not the ground.
The land is deeded to a group -- but only 3 members have the ability to place objects on the land: me, a co-owner (who has not been online for weeks), and one other person.
The land is on a private estate. The estate owner has assured me that the emitter was actually on my land (I did not see it myself).
Is is possible for a griefer to enter my land and place a particle emitter in this way -- without being a member of the group?
I do not understand this situation, as the one person who had the formal ability to place objects is somebody I trust.
Can anyone help please?
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Ray Musketeer
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03-24-2008 22:40
If the object is gone kinda hard to determine the owner who placed it.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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03-24-2008 22:44
It's possible the object was rezzed(tm) outside the parcel and moved into the parcel.
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Peace Fullstop
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03-24-2008 22:55
From: SuezanneC Baskerville It's possible the object was rezzed(tm) outside the parcel and moved into the parcel. THAT is possible? If a person owned adjacent land, could he/she move a particle emitter over the border? Is there any way to stop it?
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Day Oh
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03-24-2008 23:56
From: Peace Fullstop THAT is possible?
If a person owned adjacent land, could he/she move a particle emitter over the border?
Is there any way to stop it? Currently only banlines and prim limits with certainty can stop things from entering a parcel. The best solution arguably is auto-return.
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Ollj Oh
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03-25-2008 00:37
rezz prim. sit on prim. move prim. stand up.
its a vehicle graveyard.
Auto return >0 saves you from it.
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Peace Fullstop
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03-25-2008 00:59
From: Ollj Oh rezz prim. sit on prim. move prim. stand up.
its a vehicle graveyard. QUOTE]
So would it *have* to be done from adjacent land?
The owner of the next parcel pushed a 50m mega-prim over my land, apparently claiming it was in retaliation for the particle griefing.
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MarkByron Falta
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RE: Griefer Attacks
03-25-2008 01:17
First, check your land settings. Right click on the ground, select 'About Land', and 'Options Tab'. Ensure that the 'All Residents' check boxes are unchecked for 'Create Objects', 'Object Entry', and 'Run Scripts'. That will prevent any non-owner / non-group object from being left on your land except as the poster noted above. In addition to the above and as the other poster noted, you can also change the 'auto-return other residents objects' in the Objects tab of 'About Land' from 0 to any number of minutes. So even if a griefer leaves an unwanted object while you're away, it will be returned to them automatically in the number of minutes you specify. Keep in mind that it will also return any object that's noted in the same tab where it states, 'owned by others' and click 'Refresh List' to see who else besides you has stuff on your land. So while it is possible for a smart griefer to dump stuff on your land, you should also consider the possibility that the griefer is somebody you know, especially if it continues to happen. You may want to invest in a inexpensive monitoring device that will discreetly keep tabs on who is entering your parcel. Considering that your neighbor dumped a mega prim on your property as so called retaliation, maybe the neighbor is actually the problem. Next time he leaves a mega prim, right click the prim, select more twice, than select report abuse. If he wasn't a clueless asshat, he could have identified the particle emitter and who it belonged to instead of assuming you were responsible.
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Caroline Ra
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03-25-2008 03:40
From: MarkByron Falta First, check your land settings. Right click on the ground, select 'About Land', and 'Options Tab'. Ensure that the 'All Residents' check boxes are unchecked for 'Create Objects', 'Object Entry', and 'Run Scripts'. That will prevent any non-owner / non-group object from being left on your land except as the poster noted above. In addition to the above and as the other poster noted, you can also change the 'auto-return other residents objects' in the Objects tab of 'About Land' from 0 to any number of minutes. So even if a griefer leaves an unwanted object while you're away, it will be returned to them automatically in the number of minutes you specify. Keep in mind that it will also return any object that's noted in the same tab where it states, 'owned by others' and click 'Refresh List' to see who else besides you has stuff on your land. So while it is possible for a smart griefer to dump stuff on your land, you should also consider the possibility that the griefer is somebody you know, especially if it continues to happen. You may want to invest in a inexpensive monitoring device that will discreetly keep tabs on who is entering your parcel. Considering that your neighbor dumped a mega prim on your property as so called retaliation, maybe the neighbor is actually the problem. Next time he leaves a mega prim, right click the prim, select more twice, than select report abuse. If he wasn't a clueless asshat, he could have identified the particle emitter and who it belonged to instead of assuming you were responsible. The estate owner should be sorting this out.
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Peace Fullstop
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03-25-2008 09:35
From: MarkByron Falta ... You may want to invest in a inexpensive monitoring device that will discreetly keep tabs on who is entering your parcel ... Yes, I did have a visitor monitor, which has strengthened my certainty that the one group member who had the ability to place a particle emitter did *not* do it -- has not visited for more than a month. My mistake was to have left autoreturn set to 0.
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Peace Fullstop
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03-25-2008 09:36
From: Caroline Ra The estate owner should be sorting this out. True. But he won't. There is another lesson there.
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Meade Paravane
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03-25-2008 09:50
So.. Without naming names, who left the emitter there? Somebody you know or some random stranger?
I'm starting to lose confidence in auto-return. Been seeing things lately that look like they've been around longer than the auto-return time. I suspect that bug where things that are rezzed by somebody without an active group is more than just a viewer thing.
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Peace Fullstop
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03-25-2008 10:52
From: Meade Paravane So.. Without naming names, who left the emitter there? Somebody you know or some random stranger? I can say with absolute certainty that it was not a member of the group. But that is all I can say. Anything else would be futile guesswork. Solutions - a) Remember autoreturn in future. b) Move to a better-managed estate.
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Meade Paravane
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03-25-2008 11:02
Not to be offensive but that sounds like you didn't find out who the object owner was.
Since your born date is pretty new... I find who owns an emitter by camming above them and trying to figure out about where the center is. If the emitter isn't moving, this is probably where the object is.
Stand near that spot (within 10m is ok) then head to the View menu. In the View menu: - turn on Highlight Transparent - turn on Beacons Always On - under Beacons, turn off everything but the Particle beacon - under Beacons, disable particles
You should see the emitter as a glowing red object with a beaon on it. Beacons are sorta like a little colored wireframe cube with a long vertical line thru it. The object itself is probably a small sphere, not for any technical reason but because people always seem to make them spheres. Right-click on it and check the owner to see who dropped it there.
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Peace Fullstop
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03-25-2008 11:14
From: Meade Paravane Not to be offensive but that sounds like you didn't find out who the object owner was. That is right. I didn't. I tried, but my laptop crashed. So I asked the estate owner to remove the emitter. He forgot to identify the owner. From: Meade Paravane Since your born date is pretty new... I find who owns an emitter by camming above them and trying to figure out about where the center is. If the emitter isn't moving, this is probably where the object is.
Stand near that spot (within 10m is ok) then head to the View menu. In the View menu: - turn on Highlight Transparent - turn on Beacons Always On - under Beacons, turn off everything but the Particle beacon - under Beacons, disable particles
You should see the emitter as a glowing red object with a beaon on it. Beacons are sorta like a little colored wireframe cube with a long vertical line thru it. The object itself is probably a small sphere, not for any technical reason but because people always seem to make them spheres. Right-click on it and check the owner to see who dropped it there. Thanks Meade -- very useful information. But hoping I won't need it -- life is too short to be dealing with this nonsense. We are moving away.
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Derbor Torok
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03-25-2008 11:18
From: Peace Fullstop Thanks Meade -- very useful information. But hoping I won't need it -- life is too short to be dealing with this nonsense. We are moving away.
If you turn PMs on I can make a couple of suggestions...  .d
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Peace Fullstop
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03-25-2008 11:21
PMs on!
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