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Which camping systems are good?

Jochen Carter
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12-01-2008 06:15
I am looking for a camping system for my mall, where people can walk around and go shopping while camping.
The problem is: When I use something like "Campmaster" then mostly people stand only close to it, or even sit on it.
What can I do that people walk around while camping?
Cristalle Karami
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12-01-2008 06:24
Most people who are camping are not shopping, although some do. You would need an anti-bot Campmaster that ensures that people are present at the computer. I saw one where you had to click a dialogue box every 10 minutes or so. Most people will still sit near it, but more people might shop. Who knows.
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CCTV Giant
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12-01-2008 07:27
This comes from a guy that made camping for about a year. Don't buy one, don't waste your money, don't waste your time and energy. If you want to pay people money (for whatever reason) find a random money giver, Lucky chairs or anything else. You might find a few campers who will actually spend a few dollars..........but its highly doubtful. Traffic does not mean Buyers. It means you losing money. Passive marketing of this nature doesn't add up to squat. If you want to add value to your tenants, hold events, talk to people, work with tenants to create specials and promos that will be unique to your area.
Taylor Lubezki
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12-01-2008 07:32
I don't use a camping system at all. We have 2 lucky chairs in our store and that's it.. You want people to come buy your products or your vendors products in your case.

And from a designer stand point. If you have campers in your mall that tells me you are paying for your traffic and as stated here typically campers are not shoppers. So your traffic numbers won't influence renters. Or atleast renters that have been around in the design game for some time.

Instead of paying campers why don't take that money and give your renters a free trial week or something?
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Yumi Murakami
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12-01-2008 08:13
If it's modify-ok, add a script to it to unsit anyone who sits on it, and that moves it randomly around the mall every few minutes.
Felix Oxide
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12-01-2008 10:02
Did anyone work with their vendors for Black Friday sales or even Cyber Monday? Things like this would do better to spark buying in your mall than camping zombies I think.
Yumi Murakami
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12-01-2008 10:56
From: Felix Oxide
Did anyone work with their vendors for Black Friday sales or even Cyber Monday? Things like this would do better to spark buying in your mall than camping zombies I think.


The sad truth is that for the purposes of traffic and search, campers are much, much, better than customers.

Customers leave once they have finished shopping, campers stay forever.
Bee Mizser
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12-01-2008 11:02
From: Yumi Murakami
The sad truth is that for the purposes of traffic and search, campers are much, much, better than customers.

Customers leave once they have finished shopping, campers stay forever.



Traffic means squat to me when I go shopping. Unless I know that the traffic generated is camper free. Then that is genuine.
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12-01-2008 11:05
From: Bee Mizser
Traffic means squat to me when I go shopping. Unless I know that the traffic generated is camper free. Then that is genuine.


Even if every forum poster thought this way the proportion of clueful shoppers would still be tiny.
Bee Mizser
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12-01-2008 11:07
From: Yumi Murakami
Even if every forum poster thought this way the proportion of clueful shoppers would still be tiny.



Actually they are much greater in number than you think.

I know of several malls that have good traffic that have no camping at all.

But I wonder do you like BIAB stores?
Bee Mizser
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12-01-2008 11:09
Also another reason to avoid malls with campers.

LAG!
Yumi Murakami
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12-01-2008 11:15
From: Bee Mizser
Actually they are much greater in number than you think.


They probably are. However, there are many more who aren't so clueful - otherwise, why would the camping malls exist at all?

Granted, the clueful people are much more likely to be REPEAT customers. In fact, according to what some people have claimed here, if it wasn't for that fact - that they're more likely to be repeat customers - then the clueful people would be such a drop in the non-clueful ocean that making the effort to try and appeal to them would be a money loser.

Even the clueful people sometimes just need to buy something quickly, and can't spend hours searching blogs or contacting friends to ask where the best place is, so they default to Search.

And no, I don't like BIAB stores. But networked commission resellers, OTOH..
Destiny Niles
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12-01-2008 11:21
From: Yumi Murakami
...why would the camping malls exist at all?


The reason is simple. At one time it did work. But camping really don't work anymore, but people are slow to change. No matter how often people say camping is a waste of time and money, the old way of doing things will still prevail.
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Michelle Thurston
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12-01-2008 11:36
People still rent in malls with camping? Thought it was pretty widely understood that the presence of campers in a mall was a sign that all traffic numbers were suspect. Good malls don't have camping.

To your actual question, your problem is a cultural one, not a technical one. 'Camping' means you stay in one place, be it behind a box in Dust, or in the Grand Tetons, or in a chair earning six-tenths of a cent every 12 minutes. This is what the social construct of 'camping' means to those who participate in it. If you can find a way to break the linkage between 'earning probably less than you're paying in electricity to run your computer' and 'staying in one place for a long time', you'll have campers who shop.

Unless, surprise, they're there to make a few cents, not to spend them.

Campmaster is fine. It allows people to 'camp' and roam around. Unless they don't want to.
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12-01-2008 11:40
PICK CAMPING is the FUTURE

normaly camping is out