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Arkantos Nightfire
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05-18-2008 12:01
Hello!

I was looking for some furniture in SLX and i found some nice furniture (at least in the pics) for only 10L. When i was checking the details i noticed that all the items use too much prims (at least 100). I was checking also that this collection belongs to the most popular avi in SL: Anshe Chung (why people is afraid to say her name? It's some kind of Voldemort or what?).

Very interesting way to do business, but i dont think so that people want to buy furniture with so much prims. What do you think?
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05-18-2008 12:09
We can't name names here.

Sure, they're badly made, but when one shops at Wal-Mart, one should not expect Tiffany.
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Tali Rosca
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05-18-2008 12:10
Cue the conspiracy music.
Anshe Chung made her fortune in land. Land allows prims. Do the math :-)
That, or she and her creators just don't have a clue about how SL works, which seems rather unlikely.
That said, people have been rather baffled over the *very* extreme prim use of many of the items.
Annabelle Babii
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05-18-2008 12:12
From: Tali Rosca
Cue the conspiracy music.
She Who Must Not Be Named made her fortune in land. Land allows prims. Do the math :-)
That, or she and her creators just don't have a clue about how SL works, which seems rather unlikely.
That said, people have been rather baffled over the *very* extreme prim use of many of the items.


Simple, she hired a bunch of people at very low wages to slap together some items while providing little or no training in an effort to bring down product prices through market saturation. She even said as much.
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05-18-2008 12:13
From: Annabelle Babii
We can't name names here.

Slight correction: We can't name names in a negative fashion. If you're praising someone, it's perfectly fine to name them.
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Anti Antonelli
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05-18-2008 12:13
Yeah there was much heated discussion of this (well, some aspects of this) a while back. It seemed as if She Who Must Not Be Named (lol) was attempting to corner the market on cheap SLX furniture, while driving many other creators out of business, by hiring builders to flood SLX with L$10 junk.

I haven't really looked at the goods, but if it's overly primmy or otherwise poorly made, I say good job. Let it fade into irrelevance.
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05-18-2008 12:16
Maybe "the most popular avi in SL" wants people to have bigger parcels in order to be able to rezz the furniture?

Alternatively the business model is to sell stuff that people can't rezz because of prim limits.
Maybe the model is not dependant on repeat sales. Get L$10 once off enough people . No need for upgrades or customer support.
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Tali Rosca
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05-18-2008 12:23
All half-joking conspiracy theories aside, it actually baffles me a little. Anshe certainly knows SL well enough to know about realistic prim limits, and a rule like "no couch must be more than 20 prims" or something would be easy to tell even untrained workers (and then let them work it out themselves).
Too primmy models are not exactly begging return customers, as Sling points out.
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05-18-2008 12:43
From: Anti Antonelli
Yeah there was much heated discussion of this (well, some aspects of this) a while back. It seemed as if She Who Must Not Be Named (lol) was attempting to corner the market on cheap SLX furniture, while driving many other creators out of business, by hiring builders to flood SLX with L$10 junk.
SLX created a special category called "10 Lindens" just for this stuff when it was introduced, which probably caused more concern than any other aspect of this. Fortunately, there was enough dissatisfaction that SLX removed or changed that category.
Annabelle Babii
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05-18-2008 12:48
Maybe she has an army of furniture-making bots?

...and those bots aren't programmed to understand path-cut, hollow, or dimple.
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05-18-2008 13:00
This is all old news. "10 Lindens" has been around for a couple of years, and from what I can tell, she hasn't cornered the market on cheap furniture or anything else outside of land in SL. If I was in the furniture business, I would not be worried.
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Desmond Shang
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05-18-2008 13:04
The logic is there, but the implementation isn't quite.

Anshe's brilliant. She made a ton of money cornering the land market early on, but eventually it uncornered itself, so... she did the smart thing that one does with success.

She diversified.

Who wouldn't? She's got a history of exceptional understanding and 'winning' when it comes to virtual worlds, and is simply building upon her success.

But once you take things and put them in the hands of other people, as one must, due to scale, there are a new set of problems. They may be very talented, but perhaps not share that attention to detail *in the right way* to move the business.

There are other signs she is making intelligent diversification moves, strategies made apparent in the last 2-3 weeks if you know where to look. But from looking at what was done, probably in the planning stages for a long time. I won't discuss what I saw to the general public - it's one thing to state my opinions but too much discussion of someone else's business can become inappropriate quickly.

Clearly, Anshe's brand of capitalism is not from CareBear land. But also, remember she shares the common interests of thousands upon thousands of grid residents who rely on her business.

Love her or hate her, you have to respect what she has done. At least I sure do, even though I'm not looking to follow that path as fully as she did.
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05-18-2008 13:27
Actually friends got some in her place who doesn't live on any land of person who will not be named and it looks pretty good to me.
If you own or have friend with a Sim it no big thing prim wise.

It could have been reduced using sculpties or shapes, texture mapping though if they had wanted too.
Lot of prim only builders often refuse to take the texture shortcuts..
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05-18-2008 13:59
that's cause prims are free, textures aren't
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05-18-2008 16:34
Anshe's furniture is actually interesting and some is very nice. The prim counts are for all the items in an entire room setting and not just one piece. I have bought a ton of this stuff and used it for interior designs i do. Her coffee cups and a few of the sets are actually great.

The panic attack that she would put everyone in SL out of biz was a waste of energy. Her stuff is cheap and frankly ive resold it to clients and made a ton of money on it. To me she is just a nice wholesaler...lol. Personally, i think the "ansche is evil" brigade is just paranoid. If you make nice things and PROMOTE them, then people will buy them. And she is a master at promotion.

She actually has some really fun flower chairs and animal furniture that im sure has its place in someone's life. LOL
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05-19-2008 01:13
I'll stick with my favorite places for furniture. Checked out the L$10 furniture and just would rather not. I prefer to explore and see what is out there. So much variety and talent to discover, that is the fun part for me.
Marcel Flatley
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05-19-2008 03:35
The stuff from 10 linden doesn't really bother me as a furniture maker, because customers looking for 10 linden stuff will not shop at my store anyway. Plus that I specialize in low prim furniture, and you cannot exactly call the 10 linden stuff low-prim :-)

The operation itself though I do not like very much. Itentionally trying to run over the SL economy as it is, just because you can, isn't a way to make yourself liked, that is why she is not very popular among people that try to do some business in SL.
She is however entitled to set any price she want, and I doubt she cares about her popularity within SL :)
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05-19-2008 05:03
From: Jojogirl Bailey
The panic attack that she would put everyone in SL out of biz was a waste of energy. Her stuff is cheap and frankly ive resold it to clients and made a ton of money on it. To me she is just a nice wholesaler...lol.


I'm a little puzzled - the furniture of hers that I've seen says 10 Lindens right in the name. Do people pay a lot more buying it from you not read the item name/description???

A.C.'s furniture looks decent enough to me - just a lot more prim-heavy than other designers' furniture. I could see how people new to SL who aren't really thinking about prim counts would buy her stuff because it's cheap, and then when they're more established, switch to furniture from other designers to save prims.
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05-19-2008 06:56
From: Arkantos Nightfire
Hello!

I was looking for some furniture in SLX and i found some nice furniture (at least in the pics) for only 10L. When i was checking the details i noticed that all the items use too much prims (at least 100). I was checking also that this collection belongs to the most popular avi in SL: Anshe Chung (why people is afraid to say her name? It's some kind of Voldemort or what?).

Very interesting way to do business, but i dont think so that people want to buy furniture with so much prims. What do you think?


I bought a set of hers just to figure out what would fit in my house, etc. Then spent some good money on some stuff I really liked and of good quality.

Yes, it is the equivalent of buying furniture at Wa-Mart...it is crap...high prim, poorly made, and you cannot sit on what I have seen.
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05-19-2008 07:01
i think its less about brilliance and more about unbridled greed and the willingness to fuck over any and everybody to get ahead.
that being said, 100 prim furni isnt that bad. bri has some that 700+ prims.
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05-19-2008 07:09
and who can forget the A$$ the good ole Anshe bux hehehe
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05-19-2008 08:47
What makes me wonder now is....where do these avi's build these high prim pieces of furniture?

If it is "slave labor", does that mean that there are warehouses somewhere in SL that have a bunch of slave avi's sitting there, building these things?

Or are there Sims dedicated to nothing more then building this furniture...with the sims hidden from search.


hmmmm


(I'm gonna have nightmares of pasty-faced automaton avi's standing around building furniture now)
Carl Metropolitan
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05-19-2008 12:13
It looks to me that her 10L$ line is competing in the high end of the freebie market. I don't see that as a significant threat to most SL furniture makers.
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05-19-2008 14:05
The 10L stuff is VERY nice, in fact, i have bought ALOT of it, and then just resold it for 300L per item. people seem to think just cuz something is cheap it is crap. Fine with me, but when you buy that same item from one of my shops for 300% more the 'quality' and 'value' can be seen alot easier :)


thanks all you ignorant people for your money :)
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05-19-2008 15:49
If you are a careful buyer, there are a few lower prim sets among her offerings.

One of the nice things about her line is that she sells entire sets that rez in their assigned positions (open with edit on to maneuver the group after rez). Makes it quick, easy and cheap to set up a room for landlords. Delete any items you don't want or need (especially the prim heavy laptop that links to the 10 Linden web site).

If you screw anything up, you are out $L10.

Most of the builds look very good, but poses are kind of old hat. Lots of better designed stuff at my favorite low prim furniture emporium.

Still, hard to beat if you have the prims and are otherwise a tight wad.
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