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ConductorX Nieuport
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Join date: 29 Nov 2007
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12-11-2007 09:57
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Johan Laurasia
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Join date: 31 Oct 2006
Posts: 1,394
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12-11-2007 09:59
I love the idea of skyscrapers. Some of the coolest buildings in a city scape. I notice in the SL Exchange they have great numbers of them for sale. Some the really nice ones only require 1024m but they have over 900 prims. Such a structure would have to be built on a huge chunk of land just to have enough prims. My understanding is that the owners typically rent out floors in the skyscraper and allow each tenant to have a certain number of prims. So adding even 20 prims per floor would run into 400 more prims for a 20 story building. Landscaping that much land to make an attractive build would eat up yet more. So how can these things function? Where do they get the extra Prims to build such structures? "G" The same place everyone else gets prims, by owning a larger chunk of land. |
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Okiphia Rayna
DemonEye Benefactor
Join date: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 2,103
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12-11-2007 10:00
I love the idea of skyscrapers. Some of the coolest buildings in a city scape. I notice in the SL Exchange they have great numbers of them for sale. Some the really nice ones only require 1024m but they have over 900 prims. Such a structure would have to be built on a huge chunk of land just to have enough prims. My understanding is that the owners typically rent out floors in the skyscraper and allow each tenant to have a certain number of prims. So adding even 20 prims per floor would run into 400 more prims for a 20 story building. Landscaping that much land to make an attractive build would eat up yet more. So how can these things function? Where do they get the extra Prims to build such structures? "G" They don't take tons lol.. the Builders Union I'm helping get started has one that takes about 600 prims or so and it looks nice (Not sure exact number). Check it out at the Drakeal Prime sime, right on the border of Furnation Dragon. What we're doing is the lobby is lobby, Office amanger has a floor, the main guy (Dunno his title lol) has a flor, and a couple others have a floor. Office Manager has 75 prims to play with, main guy has something like 75, and others probably 50 or so in the end. And you get extra prims when needed by buying more land Just cause the footprint is 1024 doesn't mean its meant for 1024. Often it's meant for a sim build, where it will be bordering street and other buildings and such._____________________
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ConductorX Nieuport
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Join date: 29 Nov 2007
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12-11-2007 10:02
The same place everyone else gets prims, by owning a larger chunk of land. Does all the land have to be adjacent? Can you transfer prims numerous small plots into another big plot? Is that the benefit of having a group? "G" _____________________
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Okiphia Rayna
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Join date: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 2,103
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12-11-2007 10:04
Does all the land have to be adjacent? Can you transfer prims numerous small plots into another big plot? Is that the benefit of having a group? "G" As long as land is in one sim and owned by one person it shares prims, even if not touching. You can own a 512 on one edge of the sim and have it sharing prims with a 512 on the opposite edge. EDIT:: Groups only give advantages to land in that they provide a bonus to your tier (So you can own more land without tiering up) and by allowing permissions on the land to specific people. _____________________
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77 Allstar
Registered User
Join date: 18 Nov 2006
Posts: 24
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12-11-2007 10:25
Hello conductor,
Pacels can share prims when that land is owned by the same person and or same group. for example if you own two 512sqm parcels, must be on same sim, and both have same owner or group owned, then you can use the prims from either one on the other 512sqm. About them Towers, they do need a lot prim, and most you need a large piece of land to cover the prims for all the renters. A friend owns the Cyldane Tower, I manage it, we have 17 Floors each floor has 4 apartments, that come with 50 Prims, we do have a lot extra Land to cover all the Prims for the Renters, maybe you would like to have a look at it, just IM me inworld or search for Cyldane Tower. Greetings, 77 |
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ConductorX Nieuport
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Join date: 29 Nov 2007
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12-11-2007 10:39
Hello conductor, Pacels can share prims when that land is owned by the same person and or same group. for example if you own two 512sqm parcels, must be on same sim, and both have same owner or group owned, then you can use the prims from either one on the other 512sqm. About them Towers, they do need a lot prim, and most you need a large piece of land to cover the prims for all the renters. A friend owns the Cyldane Tower, I manage it, we have 17 Floors each floor has 4 apartments, that come with 50 Prims, we do have a lot extra Land to cover all the Prims for the Renters, maybe you would like to have a look at it, just IM me inworld or search for Cyldane Tower. Greetings, 77 77 Good to see you again. I saw the Cyldane tower. You gave me a tour. That thing soaks up lots of PRIMs. I think my question has been answered. Thanks to everyone!! _____________________
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Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
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12-11-2007 11:22
In general, SL is NOT designed to play well in an urban, vertically-stacked environment. Access permissions, media streams, and all that are on the parcel level, and the same for all vertically stacked areas. Open chat carries for 30 M, which means if you build actual 'floors' at every level in a 20-story skyscraper, you get to listen to your neighbors seevral floors away, constantly! But the worst aspect is that 512 m2 of flat surface area in that same sim is required for every 117 prims that you need in that tower. So if you build anything with a lot of florrs and prims, you have to surround it by a huge open field!
Some builders have come up with work-around to at least get the look. Using mega-prims for large uninhabited sections between occupied floors. "Hollow" towers that only have an actual 'floor' every 40 M vertically. Stuff like that. But a 20-story tower, with every floor actually usable in an enjoyable and commercially feasable manner? Almost impossible. The Linden design parameters are for a one-story ranch-style home or single-floor motels, not for high-rises and townhouse apartments. They expect every occupied area to be sprawled out on the ground level. _____________________
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Cristalle Karami
Lady of the House
Join date: 4 Dec 2006
Posts: 6,222
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12-11-2007 11:32
In general, SL is NOT designed to play well in an urban, vertically-stacked environment. Access permissions, media streams, and all that are on the parcel level, and the same for all vertically stacked areas. Open chat carries for 30 M, which means if you build actual 'floors' at every level in a 20-story skyscraper, you get to listen to your neighbors seevral floors away, constantly! But the worst aspect is that 512 m2 of flat surface area in that same sim is required for every 117 prims that you need in that tower. So if you build anything with a lot of florrs and prims, you have to surround it by a huge open field! Some builders have come up with work-around to at least get the look. Using mega-prims for large uninhabited sections between occupied floors. "Hollow" towers that only have an actual 'floor' every 40 M vertically. Stuff like that. But a 20-story tower, with every floor actually usable in an enjoyable and commercially feasable manner? Almost impossible. The Linden design parameters are for a one-story ranch-style home or single-floor motels, not for high-rises and townhouse apartments. They expect every occupied area to be sprawled out on the ground level. _____________________
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Egon Rothschild
Never Enough Prims
Join date: 22 Apr 2006
Posts: 556
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12-11-2007 11:38
the only skyscraper i have seen is a replica of the sears tower. 166 meters tall in sl.
only the lobby and 2 or 3 floors at the top really "exist" .. the rest is empty space inside thru which an elevator shaft runs. this building ... tho looking like a possible rental .. is just a private residence. i was always tempted to get it .. but i couldn't do that to my neighbors. _____________________
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Ollj Oh
Registered User
Join date: 28 Aug 2007
Posts: 522
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12-11-2007 12:49
700 meter skyscrapers are mostly found on private servers.
Some use long stilts with open space between closed levels or have multiple floors that are 40 meter high, they are more tower than skyscrapers. |
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Avion Raymaker
Palacio del Emperador!
Join date: 18 Jun 2007
Posts: 980
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12-11-2007 13:04
But a 20-story tower, with every floor actually usable in an enjoyable and commercially feasable manner? Almost impossible. The Linden design parameters are for a one-story ranch-style home or single-floor motels, not for high-rises and townhouse apartments. They expect every occupied area to be sprawled out on the ground level. True, there are a some limitations, but if you can get past the media sharing and overhearing chat problems, you can get some fun results up to about 15 stories. My 2 hi-rise hotels are successful because I'm up front that tenants need to be communal-minded. |
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Avion Raymaker
Palacio del Emperador!
Join date: 18 Jun 2007
Posts: 980
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12-11-2007 13:06
700 meter skyscrapers are mostly found on private servers. Private estate sims have a 15,000 prim limit, just like mainland sims. It's probably true, though, that fewer people own whole mainland sims. |
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Fatbottomedgirl Barbosa
Registered User
Join date: 10 Aug 2007
Posts: 88
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12-11-2007 13:08
i visited the Empire State Building the other day and that was interesting. You could hear convos 3 floors up.
If you are going to do it then choose your sim wisely. My old neighbour put up a 400m skyscraper in our sim of mainly mediterranean style homes. That was ugly. |