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Why would you prohibit landmarks?

Weston Graves
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10-21-2007 11:53
I found an item for sale I'm not yet sure I want. I tried to landmark it and a pop up tells me the owner doesn't allow it. This seems counter-productive.

I've made my own landmark of sorts anyway by just jotting down the coordinates on a notecard, so the landmark prohibition is merely a pain in the anatomy that doesn't accomplish anything except to make me feel unwelcome. Why would someone do this? Is it because the land is group owned? This seems more like a bug than a feature.
Ron Jorgensen
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10-21-2007 12:04
Two guesses.

It may be the store/mall owner has a landing point that they want to force people to arrive at. So they can monitor traffic counts.

Also its possibe if they have a skybox above they may invite visitors in by sending them a TP but not want them to take landmarks that will allow them to TP in unexpectedly. Actually on second thought this second option may not work if there is a landing point set.
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10-21-2007 12:42
From: Ron Jorgensen
Two guesses.

It may be the store/mall owner has a landing point that they want to force people to arrive at. So they can monitor traffic counts.

Also its possibe if they have a skybox above they may invite visitors in by sending them a TP but not want them to take landmarks that will allow them to TP in unexpectedly. Actually on second thought this second option may not work if there is a landing point set.



Correct, a landing point overrides the landmark. So, if they had a skybox, they could simply set up the landing point and that solves that too.

Just sounds like someone doesn't want repeat business.
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Mia Lian
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10-21-2007 12:57
As far as I know even when landmarks are allowed if there's a landing point assigned you'll always teleport to the landing point. For me banning lm could be helpful on private properties only (like your house) yet I see it many times on properties that are "public" /business and actually want to attract traffic, if this is a really big area assigning a landing point is irritating too because most people wold like to come to a particular part of the land when they visit next time, both cases do not make any sense from a business point of view, you are supposed to give your customers the convenience and the right to choose.
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10-21-2007 13:03
I love it when someone is advertising land for sale and only allow their group to access the land.

BOUNCE!!!
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10-21-2007 13:05
From: Weston Graves
I've made my own landmark of sorts anyway by just jotting down the coordinates on a notecard, so the landmark prohibition is merely a pain in the anatomy that doesn't accomplish anything except to make me feel unwelcome.

Yes, and you can still grab a slurl from the map too, so it's doubly useless to bother with that setting.
Mia Lian
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10-21-2007 13:09
"I love it when someone is advertising land for sale and only allow their group to access the land.

BOUNCE!!!"

Yeah, I've seen this too, you put the land for sale and leave the security system to prevent people from entering, just brilliant!
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Ricardo Harris
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10-21-2007 14:53
In a shop that sells to the public it doesn't make sense banning landmarks. But neither does setting up 'no builds' so shoppers can't rezz and try on clothes and these so called "designers" and shop owners do this too.

Very smart of them, isn't?
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10-21-2007 15:48
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I love it when someone is advertising land for sale and only allow their group to access the land.
Isn't it possible to select and buy land while standing outside the ban lines??
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10-21-2007 15:55
It has nothing to do with whether a landing point is set. It's the teleport routing setting.. if it is set to "Landing Point", then yes, any landmark with coordinates inside of that parcel will be overridden, and the resident will end up at the landing point. The rub is this: If I use a landmark to go to a place that has teleport routing set to Landing Point, That's surely where I arrive. If I teleport via that same landmark again, while on property, I will actually transport to the coordinates of the landmark.

That technical tidbit aside, I can really not see any good reason to disallow setting landmarks. It's kinda like the no fly option.. it's there.. it's an option.. probably more useful in some of the roleplay sims than in the general public type of places.

From: Mia Lian
As far as I know even when landmarks are allowed if there's a landing point assigned you'll always teleport to the landing point.
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Xplorer Cannoli
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10-21-2007 16:00
From: Conifer Dada
Isn't it possible to select and buy land while standing outside the ban lines??


Yes - but I was referring to using the Land Search feature, tp in and boing!!
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10-21-2007 16:01
From: Zaphod Kotobide
It has nothing to do with whether a landing point is set. It's the teleport routing setting.. if it is set to "Landing Point", then yes, any landmark with coordinates inside of that parcel will be overridden, and the resident will end up at the landing point. The rub is this: If I use a landmark to go to a place that has teleport routing set to Landing Point, That's surely where I arrive. If I teleport via that same landmark again, while on property, I will actually transport to the coordinates of the landmark.

That technical tidbit aside, I can really not see any good reason to disallow setting landmarks. It's kinda like the no fly option.. it's there.. it's an option.. probably more useful in some of the roleplay sims than in the general public type of places.


One thing that helps me a bunch is using the SHOW DESTINATION button under MAP. It allows me to see exactly where I need to go even if the Landing Point takes me elsewhere.
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10-21-2007 16:18
From: Weston Graves
I found an item for sale I'm not yet sure I want. I tried to landmark it and a pop up tells me the owner doesn't allow it. This seems counter-productive.

I've made my own landmark of sorts anyway by just jotting down the coordinates on a notecard, so the landmark prohibition is merely a pain in the anatomy that doesn't accomplish anything except to make me feel unwelcome. Why would someone do this? Is it because the land is group owned? This seems more like a bug than a feature.


This happened to me a at a cool shop a while back. I IM'd the owner. He wasn't aware that creating LM's at his store was not allowed.

He fixed it and all was well with the universe...til the next update anyway :P

~Ari
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Mia Lian
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10-21-2007 16:38
"In a shop that sells to the public it doesn't make sense banning landmarks. But neither does setting up 'no builds' so shoppers can't rezz and try on clothes and these so called "designers" and shop owners do this too.

Very smart of them, isn't?"

Maybe "...these so called "designers..."" ( :eek: ) don't want their store to turn into a sandbox? What about no build LL roads? I can imagine griefers/competitors using the build feature in a way it is not supposed to be used...
Have somebody tried to allow building with the auto-return feature set to say 3 min. in a shop?
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Jessica Elytis
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10-21-2007 17:13
LM are turned OFF by default. You have to enable them to allow them to work.

Spank a Linden for that one *chuckles*

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10-22-2007 06:27
From: Jessica Elytis
LM are turned OFF by default. You have to enable them to allow them to work.

Spank a Linden for that one *chuckles*

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Can we choose which one? <g>
Burnman Bedlam
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10-22-2007 07:10
From: Mia Lian
Have somebody tried to allow building with the auto-return feature set to say 3 min. in a shop?
I generally set the auto-return to 1-2 minutes in my retail spaces. This helps prevent some of the griefing, reduces clutter, and allows people to rez a purchase to take a look.

I also post a warning about auto-return time so people aren't surprised if their stuff goes *poof*
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Daisy Rimbaud
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10-22-2007 07:55
From: Conifer Dada
Isn't it possible to select and buy land while standing outside the ban lines??


Maybe, but if I'm interested in a plot of land, I want to walk round it and consider how good it will be for whatever purposes I want it for.
Kidd Krasner
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10-22-2007 08:54
From: Jessica Elytis
LM are turned OFF by default. You have to enable them to allow them to work.

Spank a Linden for that one *chuckles*



No, don't.

It's taken years for Microsoft to figure out that default settings ought to be secure, not easy. Granted, creating LMs isn't a particular security risk, but being in the habit of choosing defaults on the secure side is a good habit for them to have.
Burnman Bedlam
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10-22-2007 08:57
From: Daisy Rimbaud
Maybe, but if I'm interested in a plot of land, I want to walk round it and consider how good it will be for whatever purposes I want it for.
Exactly... it makes absolutely NO sense to set up ban lines on land which is for sale. Not only does it make looking around the parcel MUCH more difficult/impossible, it puts up a barrier for people just passing through.
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