It's no transfer, but...

I have some club equipment I'm no longer using. While it's no transfer, couldn't I give someone the option of moving it? How far can they move it if I do? My thought is "selling" it to someone, rezzing it for them, and then walking away from it until such time as they need it picked up, and I'll happily move it for them.

Is that at all a workable idea?

Well it could be done but personally I'd never "buy" any equipment like that. Land owner turns on auto-return, or eventually sells land... oops.

If you do manage to work something out, see if you can set it so the object can be moved by anyone. Otherwise they can't move it at all (unless you give them Edit rights to your stuff, which is way overkill for such a purpose).

This issue is why, SL rezzing issues aside, I'm much more fond of "no-copy/transfer" items vs. "copy-no/transfer" items.

It could probably work, depending on your relationship with the buyer. And if the person made you part of their group, then that auto-return thing wouldn't happen...

Makes sense...maybe I could just "rent", and still be part of their group so it doesn't get returned...*muses*

Ooh =x What kinda stuff? lol.

I've been toying with the idea of offering others (venders/those who no longer use these things) to place them in my club till I've enough cash to buy my own. As I'm friends with the SIM owners on my land, I wouldn't have the issue of 'accidental' return.

In either case, just make sure you talk with the staff members of the club who does get your things and possibly the SIM owner. It's tricky, but possible if all parties cooperate.

Sorry...the idea here to recoup some money that I've put out

If the creator wanted you to be able to sell their copy/no transfer product and recoup your money, they would have made it no copy/transfer. Finding cute ways around it is the same to me as stealing. You might as well just go ahead and copybot up a bunch of them and sell them all and make a little bit extra money.

Nasty way of making your point, but you're mostly right - I have a bit more integrity than making multiple copies. Just another one of those instances where no copy/transfer would have been a lot kinder to the consumer.

So, nevermind folks, carry on.

If the creator wanted you to create copies and place one on every sim in SL they would have made it Copy/No-Trans.

Any financial consideration for placing such a copy is then a matter entirely between the sim owner and the person with the right to make such copies.

You could just as easily say: 'If the creator wanted you to go into the club equipment rental market they would have made it Copy/No-Trans. Which is what they did. You are trying to second-guess what was in the mind of the creator when he/she set the permissions.

You really have swallowed this copyright lawyers' notion of 'stealing' haven't you. It is not, either in concept, or in law. There may be offences under various copyright and piracy laws (designed to protect the rights of companies, but not the rights of consumers, which are regularly trampled on), but not of theft. If it was theft offenders would be charged under the theft laws, but they are not.

Let me make this clear, if you have 10 of something and you wake up tomorrow morning and only have 9, then 1 has gone missing/been stolen. If you wake up tomorrow and you still have your 10 items then nothing is missing/has been stolen.

Even when consumers use the permissions that HAVE been granted, detractors such as yourself still complain, and that ridiculous statement about copybot!! The equipment was made COPY by the creator!

As you think that the copying of this item, which is allowed by the creator, and receiving money from the recipient of such a copy, taking the risks of return into account, is 'the same to you as stealing', let me give you my thoughts from a consumer's viewpoint:

a) The 'selling' of non-transfer items is theft. The new 'owner' does not own it at all. The 'selling' of non-transfer merchandise in SL should be clearly labelled as a right to use, not of ownership over the merchandise itself. This is rarely, if ever, done.

b) Selling of items that are no-copy infringes my rights under the copyright laws to make a backup copy of digital content, as provided for under those laws.

c) Selling of items that are no-permissions are an infringement of my rights under the TOS, which state that at least one permission must be granted by creators. The trick that creators resort to, of making the prim transfer, but a script inside it non-trans, to render the whole object no-permissions is just a 'cute' way, as you put it, of getting around the rules. Do you complain about this?

I am getting just a little tired of constantly listening about the rights of creators, while no thought or consideration is given to the rights of consumers, so forgive me if my little rant is somewhat harsh.

Vi (I want my rights too)