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Milla Alexandre

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03-08-2009 16:53

Toto we're not in kansas any more!!!

Um, actually yes I have a serious inquiry. Lately.....like maybe this past week....I noticed that when I create a round object and adjust it, say flatten it to do a carpet.....it isn't actually round. I see very distinct lines on the edges, so while from a distance it might seem rounded.....on close inspection I seea sort of hexagon'ish edge.

Did I just never notice this before? Do I have a setting screwed up somewhere in my graphics suddenly? Everything else looks and acts fine.....my graphics are on Ultra and the view is otherwise spectacular. but the non-round round objects is kind of weird.

I have nVidia8800...... no issues aside from that pesky driver thing which is easily fixed when I turn off palletized textures........

Other rounded objects I have seem to look nornal....it's only the round things I create, that have this linear edge. Any ideas on this???

Damien1 Thorne

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03-08-2009 17:08

I am not at all experienced at building, but if I understood things right, circles are actually many sided polygons to give an aproximation of a circle. Sometimes it is more obvious than others depending on size, zoom level, etc.

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SuezanneC Baskerville

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03-08-2009 17:09

Preferences, Graphics, Mesh Detail: Objects slider, set all the way to the right, if it's already all the way to the right, I have no further idea on the subject at the moment.

Normal looking cylinders are always approximated with regular polygons in SL.

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Keira Wells

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03-08-2009 19:36

Heck if you get right down to it, it can easily be argued that in reality there is no such thing as a round line, and in fact everything is made up of microscopic, teeeeny tiny flat bits =D

Or, y'know..maybe other people don't think about that.

But yeah, meshes are noticeably not round if you look too hard, and if you zoom out and zoom back in too fast (Or a few other things) you can get the next lowest detail setting, which is VERY not round.

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Milla Alexandre

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03-08-2009 20:13

LOL Ok I'll double check the mesh....I knew things weren't actually round....but just had never noticed such obvious lines before....

Hehe.....and actually...if you think about it.....most things aren't even solid.....matter is more dead space then it is solid mass. I watch too much of the Science channel too...hehe

SuezanneC Baskerville

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03-08-2009 20:22

A glass of wine and a few puffs are known to take the edge off of things; perhaps they would work on your cylinders.

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TundraFire Nightfire

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03-08-2009 20:32

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

A glass of wine and a few puffs are known to take the edge off of things; perhaps they would work on your cylinders.

This is why I love these forums; I learned something I didn't know about mesh detail, circles and polygons...and I got a great laugh.

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Novis Dyrssen

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03-09-2009 01:56

From: Milla Alexandre

LOL Ok I'll double check the mesh....I knew things weren't actually round....but just had never noticed such obvious lines before....

You know, I'd have suggested turning the object rendering slider up at first, too. But after some more thinking, I find that I have been irritated by much the same thing for a few weeks now, even with graphic preferences cranked all the way up. I just wasn't really paying attention to it and writing it off as a temporary glitch (one of many... coughs), but round things are indeed more jagged lately.

Do you run an Nvidia card, too? What viewer?

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Pie Serendipity

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03-09-2009 02:08

From: Keira Wells

Heck if you get right down to it, it can easily be argued that in reality there is no such thing as a round line,

Actually, in reality, there is no such thing as a straight line.

Pie (they are all curved; even light bends)

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03-09-2009 02:09

From: Keira Wells

Heck if you get right down to it, it can easily be argued that in reality there is no such thing as a round line,

Actually, in reality, there is no such thing as a straight line.

Pie (they are all curved; even light bends)

Katheryne Helendale

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03-09-2009 02:53

I am a builder, so I have frequently encountered this phenomenon, particularly with larger (5m+) circles and cylinders. This is common when the object is viewed from larger distances and/or if the graphics settings aren't maxed out.

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Tiffy Vella

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03-09-2009 06:18

Milla- instead of using a flattened cylinder, try a tube, then reduce the inner hole to nothing...Tubes (for some really clever and amazing reason that I completely forget right now) read as smoother around the edges, and don't turn into faceted thingos quite as much.

Dekka Raymaker

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03-09-2009 06:27

It's probably just due to performance issues in SL recently. Check out this blog post by FJ Linden:
https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/blog/2009/03/04/the-state-of-the-grid

…and I quote "We have traced the performance degradation to something in mid to late December, and have started investigating some of the potential causes."

Amaranthim Talon

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03-09-2009 06:43

From: Pie Serendipity

Actually, in reality, there is no such thing as a straight line.

Pie (they are all curved; even light bends)

Actually, there is no reality- we are all "stories in books written by rabbits"... ( I need more sleep- stupid time change!)

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03-09-2009 06:44

From: Amaranthim Talon

Actually, there is no reality- we are all "stories in books written by rabbits"... ( I need more sleep- stupid time change!)

No, I am real.

Pie (And you are all figments of my imagination)

Amaranthim Talon

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03-09-2009 06:50

From: Pie Serendipity

No, I am real.

Pie (And you are all figments of my imagination)

No, no, no- Pigments of your imagination- you have a very colorful imagination

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Pie Serendipity

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03-09-2009 07:14

I just noticed this in SuezanneC's sig,

"Jig and Jumpman
Sitting by a tree
K I S S
I N G

First comes love
Then comes marriage
Then comes Jumpy
With a baby carriage.

A talking baby carriage with bling!"

and thought it worth putting in the main body of a post for posterity . . .

Pie ( . . . and so I wouldn't be the *only* one having to change my pants)

My circles aren't round~!!
Milla Alexandre Milla Alexandre Join date: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,759	03-08-2009 16:53 Toto we're not in kansas any more!!! Um, actually yes I have a serious inquiry. Lately.....like maybe this past week....I noticed that when I create a round object and adjust it, say flatten it to do a carpet.....it isn't actually round. I see very distinct lines on the edges, so while from a distance it might seem rounded.....on close inspection I seea sort of hexagon'ish edge. Did I just never notice this before? Do I have a setting screwed up somewhere in my graphics suddenly? Everything else looks and acts fine.....my graphics are on Ultra and the view is otherwise spectacular. but the non-round round objects is kind of weird. I have nVidia8800...... no issues aside from that pesky driver thing which is easily fixed when I turn off palletized textures........ Other rounded objects I have seem to look nornal....it's only the round things I create, that have this linear edge. Any ideas on this???
Damien1 Thorne Registered User Join date: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 4,877	03-08-2009 17:08 I am not at all experienced at building, but if I understood things right, circles are actually many sided polygons to give an aproximation of a circle. Sometimes it is more obvious than others depending on size, zoom level, etc. _____________________ As we fade into the darkness...
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	03-08-2009 17:09 Preferences, Graphics, Mesh Detail: Objects slider, set all the way to the right, if it's already all the way to the right, I have no further idea on the subject at the moment. Normal looking cylinders are always approximated with regular polygons in SL. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Keira Wells Blender Sculptor Join date: 16 Mar 2008 Posts: 2,371	03-08-2009 19:36 Heck if you get right down to it, it can easily be argued that in reality there is no such thing as a round line, and in fact everything is made up of microscopic, teeeeny tiny flat bits =D Or, y'know..maybe other people don't think about that. But yeah, meshes are noticeably not round if you look too hard, and if you zoom out and zoom back in too fast (Or a few other things) you can get the next lowest detail setting, which is VERY not round. _____________________ Tutorials for Sculpties using Blender! Http://www.youtube.com/user/BlenderSL
Milla Alexandre Milla Alexandre Join date: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,759	03-08-2009 20:13 LOL Ok I'll double check the mesh....I knew things weren't actually round....but just had never noticed such obvious lines before.... Hehe.....and actually...if you think about it.....most things aren't even solid.....matter is more dead space then it is solid mass. I watch too much of the Science channel too...hehe
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	03-08-2009 20:22 A glass of wine and a few puffs are known to take the edge off of things; perhaps they would work on your cylinders. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
TundraFire Nightfire Permafrostbilly Join date: 5 Apr 2008 Posts: 532	03-08-2009 20:32 From: SuezanneC Baskerville A glass of wine and a few puffs are known to take the edge off of things; perhaps they would work on your cylinders. This is why I love these forums; I learned something I didn't know about mesh detail, circles and polygons...and I got a great laugh. _____________________ ARCTIC FIRE http://slurl.com/secondlife/nordica/90/250/22 "OK, so what's the speed of dark?"
Novis Dyrssen Girl Geek Join date: 6 May 2007 Posts: 1,452	03-09-2009 01:56 From: Milla Alexandre LOL Ok I'll double check the mesh....I knew things weren't actually round....but just had never noticed such obvious lines before.... You know, I'd have suggested turning the object rendering slider up at first, too. But after some more thinking, I find that I have been irritated by much the same thing for a few weeks now, even with graphic preferences cranked all the way up. I just wasn't really paying attention to it and writing it off as a temporary glitch (one of many... coughs), but round things are indeed more jagged lately. Do you run an Nvidia card, too? What viewer? _____________________ ~~ immortal words of Rob Thomas ~~ Hey-yeah, welcome to the Real World Nobody told you it was gonna be hard
Pie Serendipity Registered User Join date: 9 Feb 2009 Posts: 217	03-09-2009 02:08 From: Keira Wells Heck if you get right down to it, it can easily be argued that in reality there is no such thing as a round line, Actually, in reality, there is no such thing as a straight line. Pie (they are all curved; even light bends)
Pie Serendipity Registered User Join date: 9 Feb 2009 Posts: 217	03-09-2009 02:09 From: Keira Wells Heck if you get right down to it, it can easily be argued that in reality there is no such thing as a round line, Actually, in reality, there is no such thing as a straight line. Pie (they are all curved; even light bends)
Katheryne Helendale (loading...) Join date: 5 Jun 2008 Posts: 2,187	03-09-2009 02:53 I am a builder, so I have frequently encountered this phenomenon, particularly with larger (5m+) circles and cylinders. This is common when the object is viewed from larger distances and/or if the graphics settings aren't maxed out. _____________________ From: Debra Himmel Of course, its all just another conspiracy, and I'm a conspiracy nut. Need a high-quality custom or pre-fab home? Please check out my XStreetSL Marketplace at http://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=231434/ or IM me in-world.
Tiffy Vella Registered User Join date: 3 Apr 2007 Posts: 379	03-09-2009 06:18 Milla- instead of using a flattened cylinder, try a tube, then reduce the inner hole to nothing...Tubes (for some really clever and amazing reason that I completely forget right now) read as smoother around the edges, and don't turn into faceted thingos quite as much.
Dekka Raymaker thinking very hard Join date: 4 Feb 2007 Posts: 3,898	03-09-2009 06:27 It's probably just due to performance issues in SL recently. Check out this blog post by FJ Linden: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/blog/2009/03/04/the-state-of-the-grid …and I quote "We have traced the performance degradation to something in mid to late December, and have started investigating some of the potential causes."
Amaranthim Talon Voyager, Seeker, Curious Join date: 14 Nov 2006 Posts: 12,032	03-09-2009 06:43 From: Pie Serendipity Actually, in reality, there is no such thing as a straight line. Pie (they are all curved; even light bends) Actually, there is no reality- we are all "stories in books written by rabbits"... ( I need more sleep- stupid time change!) _____________________ "Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again. " Robert A. Heinlein http://talonfaire.blogspot.com/ Visit Talon Faire Main: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Misto%20Presto/216/21/155- Main Store XStreets: http://tinyurl.com/6r7ayn
Pie Serendipity Registered User Join date: 9 Feb 2009 Posts: 217	03-09-2009 06:44 From: Amaranthim Talon Actually, there is no reality- we are all "stories in books written by rabbits"... ( I need more sleep- stupid time change!) No, I am real. Pie (And you are all figments of my imagination)
Amaranthim Talon Voyager, Seeker, Curious Join date: 14 Nov 2006 Posts: 12,032	03-09-2009 06:50 From: Pie Serendipity No, I am real. Pie (And you are all figments of my imagination) No, no, no- Pigments of your imagination- you have a very colorful imagination _____________________ "Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again. " Robert A. Heinlein http://talonfaire.blogspot.com/ Visit Talon Faire Main: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Misto%20Presto/216/21/155- Main Store XStreets: http://tinyurl.com/6r7ayn
Pie Serendipity Registered User Join date: 9 Feb 2009 Posts: 217	03-09-2009 07:14 I just noticed this in SuezanneC's sig, "Jig and Jumpman Sitting by a tree K I S S I N G First comes love Then comes marriage Then comes Jumpy With a baby carriage. A talking baby carriage with bling!" and thought it worth putting in the main body of a post for posterity . . . Pie ( . . . and so I wouldn't be the only one having to change my pants)

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