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Lance Corrimal

I don't do stupid.

Join date: 9 Jun 2006

Posts: 877

10-10-2008 03:21

http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/125080,sony-microsoft-begin-battle-of-virtual-worlds.aspx

ok, anybody here seriously concerned about that? because i'm not.
there's a lot that you simply can't do with the default input devices that a game console has... and something like SL is one of them.

besides... it's only the teen grid that might be in danger

Qie Niangao

Coin-operated

Join date: 24 May 2006

Posts: 7,138

10-10-2008 03:35

To say nothing of the fact they're both clinging to the model of only allowing content provided by licensed game developers. Not surprising: Sony and (especially) Microsoft are congenitally incapable of grasping the concept of crowdsourcing. Dinosaurs in the making.

Raudf Fox

(ra-ow-th)

Join date: 25 Feb 2005

Posts: 5,119

10-10-2008 04:18

Can I have the defeated one's stuff?

Well, while they're battling, they're leaving SL and LL alone.. that's all that matters to me.

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Marcush Nemeth

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Posts: 402

10-10-2008 04:51

From: Raudf Fox

Can I have the defeated one's stuff?

Well, while they're battling, they're leaving SL and LL alone.. that's all that matters to me.

Not necessarily..
1) M$ will, without doubt, include their virtual world in future versions of Windows, under the excuse of "fully integrated" of course. It will take several years before they're forced to remove it, at which point it'll take another year before they've actually removed it, at which point it won't matter since everybody will have had it shoved down his or her throat anyway.
2) This won't stop either from attempting to take over Linden Labs to get their hands on the technology used (and to remove another player from the market.

Neither will be beneficial to the SL citizens, their freedom of speech, their freedom of artistic expression, their freedom of creativity. The only thing that *might* be beneficial is reduction of clientside lag. I personally don't think that's going to be a good tradeoff for us.

Brenda Connolly

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10-10-2008 06:16

From: Marcush Nemeth

Not necessarily..
1) M$ will, without doubt, include their virtual world in future versions of Windows, under the excuse of "fully integrated" of course. It will take several years before they're forced to remove it, at which point it'll take another year before they've actually removed it, at which point it won't matter since everybody will have had it shoved down his or her throat anyway.
2) This won't stop either from attempting to take over Linden Labs to get their hands on the technology used (and to remove another player from the market.

Neither will be beneficial to the SL citizens, their freedom of speech, their freedom of artistic expression, their freedom of creativity. The only thing that *might* be beneficial is reduction of clientside lag. I personally don't think that's going to be a good tradeoff for us.

But it will give the Providers many Quatloos, which is what it is about in the end.

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Raudf Fox

(ra-ow-th)

Join date: 25 Feb 2005

Posts: 5,119

10-10-2008 06:38

Look, they can offer whatever they want. What they haven't put on the plate is the real user owned/created content and excellent customer service. Until they do that, I'm not budging from Second Life. For all I complain, those are the main things that keep me here and enjoying/cursing at SL/LL.

Sadly, I don't think this will even reduce the number of griefers in SL.

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Infiniview Merit

The 100 Trillionth Cell

Join date: 27 Apr 2006

Posts: 845

10-10-2008 06:51

From: Marcush Nemeth

Not necessarily..
1) M$ will, without doubt, include their virtual world in future versions of Windows, under the excuse of "fully integrated" of course. It will take several years before they're forced to remove it, at which point it'll take another year before they've actually removed it, at which point it won't matter since everybody will have had it shoved down his or her throat anyway.
2) This won't stop either from attempting to take over Linden Labs to get their hands on the technology used (and to remove another player from the market.

Neither will be beneficial to the SL citizens, their freedom of speech, their freedom of artistic expression, their freedom of creativity. The only thing that *might* be beneficial is reduction of clientside lag. I personally don't think that's going to be a good tradeoff for us.

Wow that is scary, and possible as MS dropped a pile for Truespace, which is full feature
medium high end 3d authoring program. And is now offering it for free, it has a built in export button to Virtual Earth. They bought an entire company to help facilitate the creation of content for their Virtual Earth project.

For me after the experience of SL I think any other virtual world created entirely by corporate developers, and whose inworld vendors are either "the company" or corparate vendors only
would seem way too totalitarian for me.

The abilities to create and do business in SL are the biggest draws to SL IMO.

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Lindal Kidd

Dances With Noobs

Join date: 26 Jun 2007

Posts: 8,371

10-10-2008 06:52

/me glances at the article, snorts, and goes back to creating content and chatting with her friends.

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Lindal Kidd

Imnotgoing Sideways

Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=

Join date: 17 Nov 2007

Posts: 4,694

10-10-2008 06:52

I don't seen any of these services making an attempt to even come close to what SL is doing. Each and every one has been merely a chat room with 3D flair. (=_=)

Show me SL's level of content creation. Show me SL's level of resident involvement. Show me SL's economic model. Show me a service that offers the same freedoms, tools, and expressive tools that are seen in SL. Then I will believe there is competition. (=_=)

Home, IMVU, There, Lively, heh... TSO .... Meh. (=_=)

For now... My PS3 continues to gather a layer of (highly visible) dust while it continues to calculate protein folding. (=_=)

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Chip Midnight

ate my baby!

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 10,231

10-10-2008 07:08

Calling Microsoft's integration of avatars into the XBL dashboard a "virtual world" is quite a stretch. That's all about trying to cut into Nintendo's market, not LL's.

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pnc Blessed

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Join date: 27 Oct 2007

Posts: 136

10-10-2008 07:10

Yes I shouldnt worry about those two, SUN are on the back of it with an open source JAVA virtual world server!!!!!

At the end of the day I think SL will always be SL, we have our friends and our businesses there, for me personally it would take a lot to move me.

(I.e. MONEY) (hint hint..)

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Amaranthim Talon

Voyager, Seeker, Curious

Join date: 14 Nov 2006

Posts: 12,032

10-10-2008 08:04

From: Infiniview Merit

Wow that is scary, and possible as MS dropped a pile for Truespace, which is full feature
medium high end 3d authoring program. And is now offering it for free, it has a built in export button to Virtual Earth. <snipped>

I Googled it and was amazed with the capabilities- even if not SL oriented , it sounds as if it would be fun to experiment with... Do you have a link for the Free download? There is a link to download here but it does not say if free...

http://www.caligari.com/products/trueSpace/ts75/Brochure/intro.asp

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Aebleskiver Thibedeau

Sapiosexual

Join date: 6 Feb 2008

Posts: 351

10-10-2008 12:51

From: Amaranthim Talon

http://www.caligari.com/products/trueSpace/ts75/Brochure/intro.asp

That is the free download.

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LittleMe Jewell

...........

Join date: 8 Oct 2007

Posts: 11,319

10-10-2008 12:55

The USER CREATED content is what makes SL more than just a 3d virtual chat room -- and most of the other copy cats just have not quite picked up on that part of it yet.

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Imnotgoing Sideways

Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=

Join date: 17 Nov 2007

Posts: 4,694

10-10-2008 13:04

If TrueSpace can be combined with a virtual world... Then Sketchup can be combined with Lively... Then maybe... ~just maybe~... I see some competition. (=_=)y

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Qie Niangao

Coin-operated

Join date: 24 May 2006

Posts: 7,138

10-10-2008 13:47

From: Imnotgoing Sideways

[...]Sketchup can be combined with Lively... Then maybe... ~just maybe~... I see some competition. (=_=)y

I think that's exactly whence it will come. There's a whole army of Google developers who have to find something to do with their 20 percents. And Google has always left the door open for user-generated content in future Lively.

But for it to actually happen, there has to be some hint that there could someday be money in it. So heaven forfend that LL should ever show an attractive ROI.

Feldspar Millgrove

Registered User

Join date: 16 Nov 2006

Posts: 372

10-10-2008 16:48

From: Brenda Connolly

But it will give the Providers many Quatloos, which is what it is about in the end.

40 quatloos that the newcomers cannot be trained at all.

Omg The End Is Near!!!
Lance Corrimal I don't do stupid. Join date: 9 Jun 2006 Posts: 877	10-10-2008 03:21 http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/125080,sony-microsoft-begin-battle-of-virtual-worlds.aspx ok, anybody here seriously concerned about that? because i'm not. there's a lot that you simply can't do with the default input devices that a game console has... and something like SL is one of them. besides... it's only the teen grid that might be in danger
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	10-10-2008 03:35 To say nothing of the fact they're both clinging to the model of only allowing content provided by licensed game developers. Not surprising: Sony and (especially) Microsoft are congenitally incapable of grasping the concept of crowdsourcing. Dinosaurs in the making.
Raudf Fox (ra-ow-th) Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 5,119	10-10-2008 04:18 Can I have the defeated one's stuff? Well, while they're battling, they're leaving SL and LL alone.. that's all that matters to me. _____________________ DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176 Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?
Marcush Nemeth Registered User Join date: 3 Apr 2007 Posts: 402	10-10-2008 04:51 From: Raudf Fox Can I have the defeated one's stuff? Well, while they're battling, they're leaving SL and LL alone.. that's all that matters to me. Not necessarily.. 1) M$ will, without doubt, include their virtual world in future versions of Windows, under the excuse of "fully integrated" of course. It will take several years before they're forced to remove it, at which point it'll take another year before they've actually removed it, at which point it won't matter since everybody will have had it shoved down his or her throat anyway. 2) This won't stop either from attempting to take over Linden Labs to get their hands on the technology used (and to remove another player from the market. Neither will be beneficial to the SL citizens, their freedom of speech, their freedom of artistic expression, their freedom of creativity. The only thing that might be beneficial is reduction of clientside lag. I personally don't think that's going to be a good tradeoff for us.
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	10-10-2008 06:16 From: Marcush Nemeth Not necessarily.. 1) M$ will, without doubt, include their virtual world in future versions of Windows, under the excuse of "fully integrated" of course. It will take several years before they're forced to remove it, at which point it'll take another year before they've actually removed it, at which point it won't matter since everybody will have had it shoved down his or her throat anyway. 2) This won't stop either from attempting to take over Linden Labs to get their hands on the technology used (and to remove another player from the market. Neither will be beneficial to the SL citizens, their freedom of speech, their freedom of artistic expression, their freedom of creativity. The only thing that might be beneficial is reduction of clientside lag. I personally don't think that's going to be a good tradeoff for us. But it will give the Providers many Quatloos, which is what it is about in the end. _____________________ Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen. http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Raudf Fox (ra-ow-th) Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 5,119	10-10-2008 06:38 Look, they can offer whatever they want. What they haven't put on the plate is the real user owned/created content and excellent customer service. Until they do that, I'm not budging from Second Life. For all I complain, those are the main things that keep me here and enjoying/cursing at SL/LL. Sadly, I don't think this will even reduce the number of griefers in SL. _____________________ DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176 Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?
Infiniview Merit The 100 Trillionth Cell Join date: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 845	10-10-2008 06:51 From: Marcush Nemeth Not necessarily.. 1) M$ will, without doubt, include their virtual world in future versions of Windows, under the excuse of "fully integrated" of course. It will take several years before they're forced to remove it, at which point it'll take another year before they've actually removed it, at which point it won't matter since everybody will have had it shoved down his or her throat anyway. 2) This won't stop either from attempting to take over Linden Labs to get their hands on the technology used (and to remove another player from the market. Neither will be beneficial to the SL citizens, their freedom of speech, their freedom of artistic expression, their freedom of creativity. The only thing that might be beneficial is reduction of clientside lag. I personally don't think that's going to be a good tradeoff for us. Wow that is scary, and possible as MS dropped a pile for Truespace, which is full feature medium high end 3d authoring program. And is now offering it for free, it has a built in export button to Virtual Earth. They bought an entire company to help facilitate the creation of content for their Virtual Earth project. For me after the experience of SL I think any other virtual world created entirely by corporate developers, and whose inworld vendors are either "the company" or corparate vendors only would seem way too totalitarian for me. The abilities to create and do business in SL are the biggest draws to SL IMO. _____________________ http://slurl.com/secondlife/puea/126/10/60/
Lindal Kidd Dances With Noobs Join date: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 8,371	10-10-2008 06:52 /me glances at the article, snorts, and goes back to creating content and chatting with her friends. _____________________ It's still My World and My Imagination! So there. Lindal Kidd
Imnotgoing Sideways Can't outlaw cute! =^-^= Join date: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 4,694	10-10-2008 06:52 I don't seen any of these services making an attempt to even come close to what SL is doing. Each and every one has been merely a chat room with 3D flair. (=_=) Show me SL's level of content creation. Show me SL's level of resident involvement. Show me SL's economic model. Show me a service that offers the same freedoms, tools, and expressive tools that are seen in SL. Then I will believe there is competition. (=_=) Home, IMVU, There, Lively, heh... TSO .... Meh. (=_=) For now... My PS3 continues to gather a layer of (highly visible) dust while it continues to calculate protein folding. (=_=) _____________________ Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ferguson/54/237/94
Chip Midnight ate my baby! Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 10,231	10-10-2008 07:08 Calling Microsoft's integration of avatars into the XBL dashboard a "virtual world" is quite a stretch. That's all about trying to cut into Nintendo's market, not LL's. _____________________ My other hobby: www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight
pnc Blessed Registered User Join date: 27 Oct 2007 Posts: 136	10-10-2008 07:10 Yes I shouldnt worry about those two, SUN are on the back of it with an open source JAVA virtual world server!!!!! At the end of the day I think SL will always be SL, we have our friends and our businesses there, for me personally it would take a lot to move me. (I.e. MONEY) (hint hint..) _____________________ PNC Blessed http://slurl.com/secondlife/Caledonia/161/26/23
Amaranthim Talon Voyager, Seeker, Curious Join date: 14 Nov 2006 Posts: 12,032	10-10-2008 08:04 From: Infiniview Merit Wow that is scary, and possible as MS dropped a pile for Truespace, which is full feature medium high end 3d authoring program. And is now offering it for free, it has a built in export button to Virtual Earth. <snipped> I Googled it and was amazed with the capabilities- even if not SL oriented , it sounds as if it would be fun to experiment with... Do you have a link for the Free download? There is a link to download here but it does not say if free... http://www.caligari.com/products/trueSpace/ts75/Brochure/intro.asp _____________________ "Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again. " Robert A. Heinlein http://talonfaire.blogspot.com/ Visit Talon Faire Main: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Misto%20Presto/216/21/155- Main Store XStreets: http://tinyurl.com/6r7ayn
Aebleskiver Thibedeau Sapiosexual Join date: 6 Feb 2008 Posts: 351	10-10-2008 12:51 From: Amaranthim Talon http://www.caligari.com/products/trueSpace/ts75/Brochure/intro.asp That is the free download. _____________________ Life is short and the Art long; the occasion fleeting; experiment dangerous, and judgment difficult. ~Hippocrates
LittleMe Jewell ........... Join date: 8 Oct 2007 Posts: 11,319	10-10-2008 12:55 The USER CREATED content is what makes SL more than just a 3d virtual chat room -- and most of the other copy cats just have not quite picked up on that part of it yet. _____________________ ♥♥♥ -Lil Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell
Imnotgoing Sideways Can't outlaw cute! =^-^= Join date: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 4,694	10-10-2008 13:04 If TrueSpace can be combined with a virtual world... Then Sketchup can be combined with Lively... Then maybe... ~just maybe~... I see some competition. (=_=)y _____________________ Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ferguson/54/237/94
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	10-10-2008 13:47 From: Imnotgoing Sideways [...]Sketchup can be combined with Lively... Then maybe... ~just maybe~... I see some competition. (=_=)y I think that's exactly whence it will come. There's a whole army of Google developers who have to find something to do with their 20 percents. And Google has always left the door open for user-generated content in future Lively. But for it to actually happen, there has to be some hint that there could someday be money in it. So heaven forfend that LL should ever show an attractive ROI.
Feldspar Millgrove Registered User Join date: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 372	10-10-2008 16:48 From: Brenda Connolly But it will give the Providers many Quatloos, which is what it is about in the end. 40 quatloos that the newcomers cannot be trained at all.

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