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Brann Georgia

Spits infinitives

Join date: 12 Dec 2007

Posts: 1,441

12-29-2009 08:38

Hi

I have two groups in my list that are charging me group liability.
One is the group for a mall where I"m renting, the other one is a group for a very nice exploring-sim I found and whose owner offered to add me to their group.

I'm being charged L3 for each. I don't even get charged that for the Cartel group!

Is this supposed to happen? Should they be making some changes to their settings? They're not exactly doing me any favours by having me in their group.

I can't believe I'm asking such a noob question after two years on the grid!

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3Ring Binder

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Join date: 8 Mar 2007

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12-29-2009 08:45

people do that to offset their tier. sometimes they wait until after you join the group and then change the settings to include you in the costs. i would leave both groups. that's sneaky and underhanded that they didn't warn you before you joined them.

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Phil Deakins

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Join date: 17 Jan 2007

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12-29-2009 08:49

It's also done by mistake. The group setting that causes it is set by default and many group owners aren't even aware of what happens. You should IM the group owners and tell them. The chances are they didn't know.

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3Ring Binder

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Join date: 8 Mar 2007

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12-29-2009 08:58

i have created many many groups. never once has that been the default for anyone other than the owner of the group. never once.

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Chris Norse

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Join date: 1 Oct 2006

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12-29-2009 09:02

From: 3Ring Binder

i have created many many groups. never once has that been the default for anyone other than the owner of the group. never once.

Did you have land listed in search? It is the default setting for everyone.

Also, 120L a month isn't doing much to offset tier.

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Ciaran Laval

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Join date: 11 Mar 2007

Posts: 7,951

12-29-2009 09:06

From: 3Ring Binder

i have created many many groups. never once has that been the default for anyone other than the owner of the group. never once.

I have always found it to be the default setting, I created a group yesterday, group liabilities were on for the everyone role by default.

LittleMe Jewell

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Join date: 8 Oct 2007

Posts: 11,319

12-29-2009 09:34

From: 3Ring Binder

i have created many many groups. never once has that been the default for anyone other than the owner of the group. never once.

There is actually a JIRA to fix this cuz the 'everyone' role does get the Liabilities by default and too many people that create groups do not realize it and then their group members get charged.

Brann -- I would send a notecard to the group owners with your transaction history of the charge(s) pasted in and request a refund and also let them know that they might want to change that setting. Not only are you being charged for the Search fee or whatever, but if the owner sells the land, everyone with that ability will also get a portion of the sale proceeds.

ETA: Here is the JIRA for those that wish to vote on it:
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-378

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Bec Sadofsky

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Join date: 8 Jan 2008

Posts: 535

12-29-2009 16:02

Yah could most likely be a mistake a friend just went through that a few weeks ago. She didnt realize that was a setting when she made the group for her club.

Boy was she embarrassed and felt bad. Just told her to do a notice to the group and she could return everyones money. We got her group fixed and she did return the money most didnt notice anything had happened

Edited to add: She didnt have too many members yet. So that was good.

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Everland Usher

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Join date: 25 Jan 2007

Posts: 10

12-29-2009 16:54

From: 3Ring Binder

people do that to offset their tier. sometimes they wait until after you join the group and then change the settings to include you in the costs. i would leave both groups. that's sneaky and underhanded that they didn't warn you before you joined them.

This is wrong.
Group liability goes to paying for adds and to be shown in search, in no way can this goes towards tier. And while I dont think its fair to share that cost with normal member, it is the default and they might not know better. A way better soloution is to tell them, they probably isnt aware. Any sensible group owner would change the settings.

To make LL change default, vote here: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-378

but please remeber its done by ignorance and not greed for most group owners. The mall owner might have done so on purpose though, if you rent there he or she might feel its fair that you share costs.

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Brann Georgia Spits infinitives Join date: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,441	12-29-2009 08:38 Hi I have two groups in my list that are charging me group liability. One is the group for a mall where I"m renting, the other one is a group for a very nice exploring-sim I found and whose owner offered to add me to their group. I'm being charged L3 for each. I don't even get charged that for the Cartel group! Is this supposed to happen? Should they be making some changes to their settings? They're not exactly doing me any favours by having me in their group. I can't believe I'm asking such a noob question after two years on the grid! _____________________ * *
3Ring Binder always smile Join date: 8 Mar 2007 Posts: 15,028	12-29-2009 08:45 people do that to offset their tier. sometimes they wait until after you join the group and then change the settings to include you in the costs. i would leave both groups. that's sneaky and underhanded that they didn't warn you before you joined them. _____________________ it was fun while it lasted. http://2lf.informe.com/
Phil Deakins Prim Savers = low prims Join date: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,537	12-29-2009 08:49 It's also done by mistake. The group setting that causes it is set by default and many group owners aren't even aware of what happens. You should IM the group owners and tell them. The chances are they didn't know. _____________________ Prim Savers - almost 1000 items of superbly crafted, top quality, very low prim furniture, and all at amazingly low prices. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Seymour/213/120/251/
3Ring Binder always smile Join date: 8 Mar 2007 Posts: 15,028	12-29-2009 08:58 i have created many many groups. never once has that been the default for anyone other than the owner of the group. never once. _____________________ it was fun while it lasted. http://2lf.informe.com/
Chris Norse Loud Arrogant Redneck Join date: 1 Oct 2006 Posts: 5,735	12-29-2009 09:02 From: 3Ring Binder i have created many many groups. never once has that been the default for anyone other than the owner of the group. never once. Did you have land listed in search? It is the default setting for everyone. Also, 120L a month isn't doing much to offset tier. _____________________ I'm going to pick a fight William Wallace, Braveheart “Rules are mostly made to be broken and are too often for the lazy to hide behind” Douglas MacArthur FULL
Ciaran Laval Mostly Harmless Join date: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 7,951	12-29-2009 09:06 From: 3Ring Binder i have created many many groups. never once has that been the default for anyone other than the owner of the group. never once. I have always found it to be the default setting, I created a group yesterday, group liabilities were on for the everyone role by default.
LittleMe Jewell ........... Join date: 8 Oct 2007 Posts: 11,319	12-29-2009 09:34 From: 3Ring Binder i have created many many groups. never once has that been the default for anyone other than the owner of the group. never once. There is actually a JIRA to fix this cuz the 'everyone' role does get the Liabilities by default and too many people that create groups do not realize it and then their group members get charged. Brann -- I would send a notecard to the group owners with your transaction history of the charge(s) pasted in and request a refund and also let them know that they might want to change that setting. Not only are you being charged for the Search fee or whatever, but if the owner sells the land, everyone with that ability will also get a portion of the sale proceeds. ETA: Here is the JIRA for those that wish to vote on it: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-378 _____________________ ♥♥♥ -Lil Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell
Bec Sadofsky Yup it's Iowa Join date: 8 Jan 2008 Posts: 535	12-29-2009 16:02 Yah could most likely be a mistake a friend just went through that a few weeks ago. She didnt realize that was a setting when she made the group for her club. Boy was she embarrassed and felt bad. Just told her to do a notice to the group and she could return everyones money. We got her group fixed and she did return the money most didnt notice anything had happened Edited to add: She didnt have too many members yet. So that was good. _____________________ ************* A very sweet person tells me he is a lucky man, I beg to differ my dear I am the lucky one.
Everland Usher Registered User Join date: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 10	12-29-2009 16:54 From: 3Ring Binder people do that to offset their tier. sometimes they wait until after you join the group and then change the settings to include you in the costs. i would leave both groups. that's sneaky and underhanded that they didn't warn you before you joined them. This is wrong. Group liability goes to paying for adds and to be shown in search, in no way can this goes towards tier. And while I dont think its fair to share that cost with normal member, it is the default and they might not know better. A way better soloution is to tell them, they probably isnt aware. Any sensible group owner would change the settings. To make LL change default, vote here: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-378 but please remeber its done by ignorance and not greed for most group owners. The mall owner might have done so on purpose though, if you rent there he or she might feel its fair that you share costs.

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