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What do the Lindens do about false abuse reports?

Robert Giacomin
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04-02-2008 21:48
So my question is this. How is it that anyone who gets pissed off at you can file a false abuse report, and the lindens can come check you out. But what happens to the person or persons who file the false report. We cant know who they are for fear of "reprisal" but 99 percent of the time, it's some idiot i've already banned because they cant follow the rules on my parcel. So i get shook down, cause they filed a false abuse report, but what about them...we never know cause "we cant know who it was". I feel if a person files a false report, we have a right to know, and the filer should have reprisals. Anyone who has an opinion, i would appreciate. And a Linden wouldnt hurt either.
Kitty Barnett
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04-02-2008 22:00
The governance team has an office hour every Saturday at noon (SLT) at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Kremer/168/146/28 (I think they actually have a second one sometime during the week as well, but I'm not entirely sure :o). They could have a topic prepared to discuss, but usually there's an opportunity to ask questions on any topic at some point during the hour.

They're the only ones who can really answer your question, unless you'll settle for a lot of boo'ing at the AR system's expense :).

(Also keep in mind that as far as the abuse team is concerned, there is never a valid excuse to orbit someone without consent for example - not saying you did do that, just offering it as an example of "always wrong" behaviour - , no matter how much they might have provoked you)
Ann Launay
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04-02-2008 22:00
I don't think the reporter would get in trouble, unless they did it repeatedly. Then it would be a type of griefing.
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04-02-2008 22:04
I honestly hope that the Lindens are able to check their own logs (chat log, rez log, push log, whatever) to verify whether someone is telling the truth. Otherwise it's an endless resident vs. resident argument where you are simply having to choose between one or the other.
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Ann Launay
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04-02-2008 22:10
They can, although I suspect temporary suspensions might be put in effect if the accusation is serious...at least until they can research it.
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Cherry Czervik
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04-03-2008 01:33
From: Kitty Barnett
(Also keep in mind that as far as the abuse team is concerned, there is never a valid excuse to orbit someone without consent for example - not saying you did do that, just offering it as an example of "always wrong" behaviour - , no matter how much they might have provoked you)


Yep. This is how otherwise "innocent" people end up with abuse reports. Tempting as it is to fight fire with fire, long term it's better to take defensive rather than offensive action.
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Usagi Musashi
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04-03-2008 01:46
Pretty much once you get one its stays on you reguardless if its correct or not. Its is silly really because there are people pusposely sendsing them to cause problems. And at times LLabs does give a sh*t if they are not true or what. they just give you a warning regardless......shakeshead just forget about it and move on.
Darkness Anubis
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04-03-2008 04:28
Long ago I had a dispute with a neighbor. THey owned half the sim and were complaining about my security on a little 1024 (set to cover only the house which was much smaller than the lot and litterally stopping at roof height 13m). They CLAIMED that it was totally blocking access to thier half a sim mall. Threatened me with abuse reports etc until I would be kicked.

I contacted a Linden about it. I was flat told since I knew the ARs were going to come to file counter ARs as a rebuttal stating my case. But that I really had no recourse at all and any ARs filed against me would remain on my record forever. Didn't matter in the slightest that I was breaking no rules. Even the Linden said the system sucked.
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04-03-2008 05:31
From: Cherry Czervik
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04-03-2008 05:51
I've always thought that the scope for malicious AR's is a bit worrying.

Once I was at Help Island and there was what I assume to be a 'professional griefer'
picking arguments with innocent bystanders and threatening to AR them when they got annoyed. This person went away and reappeared a few mins later with a slightly different name. I looked their name up in search - the original one had already been cancelled but there were lots of nearly the same names, presumably all alts awaiting their turn on griefing duty.
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Kitty Barnett
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04-03-2008 06:29
From: Darkness Anubis
But that I really had no recourse at all and any ARs filed against me would remain on my record forever.
I thought we were talking about successful ARs? :confused:

I don't think there's anything wrong with keeping ARs that turned out to be a non-issue around as a matter of record, if anything it's needed to establish repeated abuse the OP mentioned.

Most store owners probably have more than a few filed against them over time ("product doesn't work", "store owner was rude", "store stole my money", etc) but I haven't seen anything that would imply that non-actionable ARs are somehow causing problems for the person they're filed against? :confused:
Darkness Anubis
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04-03-2008 06:33
From: Kitty Barnett
I thought we were talking about successful ARs? :confused:

I don't think there's anything wrong with keeping ARs that turned out to be a non-issue around as a matter of record, if anything it's needed to establish repeated abuse the OP mentioned.

Most store owners probably have more than a few filed against them over time ("product doesn't work", "store owner was rude", "store stole my money", etc) but I haven't seen anything that would imply that non-actionable ARs are somehow causing problems for the person they're filed against? :confused:


It used to be (not sure if it still is true) that any AR actionable or otherwise made you ineligible to ever volunteer for anything. ie Mentor etc.
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04-03-2008 06:33
From: Kitty Barnett
The governance team has an office hour every Saturday at noon (SLT) at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Kremer/168/146/28 (I think they actually have a second one sometime during the week as well, but I'm not entirely sure :o))


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Colette Meiji
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04-03-2008 06:52
Nothing like "Guilty until Proven Innocent" Justice. :mad:

Any AR you get that cant be proven should be immediately expunged.

Any Filer who sends too many ARs with no basis should get warned and possibly suspended.
VonGklugelstein Alter
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04-03-2008 07:11
From: Colette Meiji
Nothing like "Guilty until Proven Innocent" Justice. :mad:

Any AR you get that cant be proven should be immediately expunged.

Any Filer who sends too many ARs with no basis should get warned and possibly suspended.


I have witnessed certain individuals soliciting mass AR's by begging other people to file AR's against people as part of a "Anti-Griefing Campaign". I say instant IP and Hardware Ban for filing trivial reports and for AR system abuse... maybe then real important reports involving real issues such as those costing us money might actually be taken care of in under 27 days...

I have had open Tickets and AR's regarding Parcel Issues for almost a month without any action, and I blame you! lol
Colette Meiji
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04-03-2008 07:12
From: VonGklugelstein Alter

I have had open Tickets and AR's regarding Parcel Issues for almost a month without any action, and I blame you! lol


Blame me? LOL I've only ever filed 1 AR in 3 years.
Usagi Musashi
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04-03-2008 07:14
From: Darkness Anubis
It used to be (not sure if it still is true) that any AR actionable or otherwise made you ineligible to ever volunteer for anything. ie Mentor etc.



you have that right...................its so strange tho because i see many that were banned and still at this time being invited to mentors and helper groups.......its whos rabbit butt you kiss that gets you past your past banning restrictions and allowed to join those groups.......
VonGklugelstein Alter
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04-03-2008 07:15
From: Colette Meiji
Blame me? LOL I've only ever filed 1 AR in 3 years.


Not you personally... All you people haha
Snowflake Fairymeadow
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04-03-2008 07:53
From: Darkness Anubis
It used to be (not sure if it still is true) that any AR actionable or otherwise made you ineligible to ever volunteer for anything. ie Mentor etc.

Now it is if you have no suspensions on your record, you can volunteer. It used to say a "clean disciplinary record" or something like.
Usagi Musashi
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04-03-2008 09:07
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Now it is if you have no suspensions on your record, you can volunteer. QUOTE]


Again thats what they say....................But its not always followed.
Robert Giacomin
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Thanks for all the relples..
04-03-2008 18:31
I appreiciate all your replies so far, keep them coming